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And for what its worth, I live in an area of my town that's "crime-ridden" that shows up on the local news a lot of nights, and I've never owned a gun and feel plenty safe.

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Not worth a whole lot honestly. I don't go anywhere I don't feel safe. Ever. How effing insane would that be? But I can do math and realize that the risk level is non-zero. I choose to mitigate that risk with a firearm when possible. You're welcome to make a different choice, but how safe you feel is an irrelevant data point.

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So other people with firearms make you uncomfortable? What do you do when you go to a restaurant or to the store or something?

Again, not trying to pick a fight I'm just trying to understand what your position is.

For me the more people I have around me carrying the more comfortable I feel. Now if they are being a dumbass I may ask them to do something, but that is a different situation. If you walk into my house and start drawing your weapon to show off or something then you will be asked to leave, but that hasn't happened.

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No I said other people with weapons in my home make me uncomfortable. Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. Again, if you don't get, then you are one of the reasons I feel that way.

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There are a million possible scenarios that can play out. Again I ask, how often do you wear your seat belt when you get in your car? Do you bother buckling up and putting your kids in their car seats when you drive two blocks over to check the mail and never leave your neighborhood? It's a safe neighborhood and nothing is going to happen to them. If you are responsible your answer is of course I put my seat belt on and strap my kids in as soon as we get in the car to go any where. Why? Because you never know and you don't trust other drivers. It's a lot better to put it on and do your best to not get in a wreck than to get blindsided by some jack wagon doing 50 in a residential and risk serious injury or death to your children.

The same applies to carrying a fire arm. My wife used to ask the same thing, you don't need to carry there. Nothing is going to happen. But after she thought about it and we had kids her mindset changed. Ask yourself what would you do if when you are leaving your friends house with your family after an evening of dinner and fun and someone comes out as soon as you close their front door and tries to rob y'all on the way to your car? Or what if your kid craps their pants and you have to make an emergency stop at a gas station to clean them up. You have your back to the door in the stall and are extremely vulnerable.

There is no way you can possibly prepare and defend yourself against every scenario. But just like I buckle my kids in every time we get in the car to protect them I'm going to carry everywhere I possibly can in hopes to protect my family as best as possible. I'm going to hope like hell that I never get in that situation but I'm not going to let my family become victims of violent crime. Heck even if we were to get robbed I would probably give up my wallet without a fight because ending a life and possibly getting sued civilly isn't worth $50 and a few credit cards if it gets the guy to leave and gets my family home safely. Now if he pulls a knife or something then it's a different story.

It has nothing to do with thinking it's the manly thing to do or thinking I won't need it here or there because I've been there a million times without any issues or ever even felt unsafe. I honestly wish people weren't selfish and evil and we lived in a world were we could leave our doors unlocked and never had anything to worry about but that isn't reality.

I bet you have a front door on your house that you keep locked at night? Why? The odds of someone breaking in is very low. You lock it because you love your family, not so much that you hate everyone else you just don't trust them. Usually going to a friends house i trust everyone there but it's other people that I don't trust and you never know what can happen. Criminals don't fear unarmed citizens. When seconds matter the police are only minutes away.

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If you follow this logic all the way to the end, you may end up never going outside the house and never interacting with anyone different for fear that something might happen.

Not saying one way or the other on guns, just something to watch out for.

And for what its worth, I live in an area of my town that's "crime-ridden" that shows up on the local news a lot of nights, and I've never owned a gun and feel plenty safe.

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You said other people with firearms makes you uncomfortable in your house, so I carried your argument out a bit further because by saying that you are implying that other people with firearms makes you uncomfortable not just in your house. If you feel that way that is fine. Just admit that you aren't comfortable around other people with guns because your argument as it stands now doesn't hold water.

Outside of you being a control freak, what exactly is it about someone else being armed in your house makes you uncomfortable? Would you also feel uncomfortable if someone had a small taser or pepper spray on them? What about breath spray? That stuff can burn you pretty good if you miss your mouth. Could I bring my own beer to your house? I may have laced it with peanut butter which would be deadly to all the snowflakes around.

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You said other people with firearms makes you uncomfortable in your house, so I carried your argument out a bit further because by saying that you are implying that other people with firearms makes you uncomfortable not just in your house. If you feel that way that is fine. Just admit that you aren't comfortable around other people with guns because your argument as it stands now doesn't hold water.

Outside of you being a control freak, what exactly is it about someone else being armed in your house makes you uncomfortable? Would you also feel uncomfortable if someone had a small taser or pepper spray on them? What about breath spray? That stuff can burn you pretty good if you miss your mouth. Could I bring my own beer to your house? I may have laced it with peanut butter which would be deadly to all the snowflakes around.

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No, you put words in my mouth. I live in anew open carry state (that has pretty much always been so). I carry, my husband carries, and we have other weapons that are accessible to us in our house.

All it takes is one idiot carrying who is drinking and loses his cool, or one idiot who gets a little hot headed in an argument, and my children's lives are in danger in the knee place that I can personally ensure their safety. Going out anywhere carries it's risks. But I like to mitigate those risks in my own house.


Not wanting someone to carry in my house has nothing to do with being a control freak, but your inability to understand why someone would feel the way I do shows, at least in my mind, why I am justified in those feelings.

Sometimes, there are just people who shouldn't have weapons, and in my house, I have a right to protect myself, even from a friend who might think it's okay to carry into my house.

Honestly, the mentality you have is what I see as a big part of the problem.

Ok. I can respect that. As I said if alcohol is involved I'm not carrying. In my experience, going an event with friends very rarely will result in getting into an argument so extreme that people come to blows unless there is a significant amount of alcohol involved. Sounds like your friends aren't responsible gun owners. As a person who is LTC you have to go above and beyond to make dang sure you don't escalate a fight or provoke anyone. Hotheads don't fit that bill. I'm one of the most laid back people you will meet. I was just trying to get to the root logic of why you feel the way you do.

Thanks for the discussion and congrats on the new bebe

What I understand based on what I read from your arguments is you don't trust other people to be responsible with their firearms.

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All it takes is one idiot carrying who is drinking and loses his cool, or one idiot who gets a little hot headed in an argument, and my children's lives are in danger in the knee place that I can personally ensure their safety. Going out anywhere carries it's risks. But I like to mitigate those risks in my own house.

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That is exactly my point. All it takes is one person one time to seriously put me and my family in danger. That is exactly why I carry and exactly why I don't announce to the world that I am armed either verbally or by open carry. I don't trust you or your husband to have my best interests in mind. If I'm at your house and something were to go down your first instinct is to protect your family first, which is what you should do. That would be my reaction to.

So since I don't have 100% confidence in anyone but myself to have my best interests in mind then I will continue to carry everywhere I can and no one will be the wiser because like I said, unless you frisk me you will have no idea. I can totally understand if I carry and then pull my gun out and start doing stupid stuff with it and you getting mad and asking me to go, if I had friends that did that I would do the same and I would probably ask them next time they come over (if they ever get invited again) to disarm because they have proven that I can't trust them to be responsible. If your friends do that and disrespect you then you have some terrible friends.

I said many times if someone were to ask me to leave or disarm I would gladly do it because I'm not rude, but don't expect me to volunteer that information up front.

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Honest question. How many times have you needed your seat belt in your car? Or how many times have you needed your fire extinguisher? Or home owners insurance? Etc.?

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I've probably needed the seatbelt once or twice. Small fender benders happen fairly routinely.

I drive in urban traffic every day. I have never been involved in a gunfight at a party nor seen one.

But, something something "peace of mind," right?

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What I understand based on what I read from your arguments is you don't trust other people to be responsible with their firearms.

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All it takes is one idiot carrying who is drinking and loses his cool, or one idiot who gets a little hot headed in an argument, and my children's lives are in danger in the knee place that I can personally ensure their safety. Going out anywhere carries it's risks. But I like to mitigate those risks in my own house.

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That is exactly my point. All it takes is one person one time to seriously put me and my family in danger. That is exactly why I carry and exactly why I don't announce to the world that I am armed either verbally or by open carry. I don't trust you or your husband to have my best interests in mind. If I'm at your house and something were to go down your first instinct is to protect your family first, which is what you should do. That would be my reaction to.

So since I don't have 100% confidence in anyone but myself to have my best interests in mind then I will continue to carry everywhere I can and no one will be the wiser because like I said, unless you frisk me you will have no idea. I can totally understand if I carry and then pull my gun out and start doing stupid stuff with it and you getting mad and asking me to go, if I had friends that did that I would do the same and I would probably ask them next time they come over (if they ever get invited again) to disarm because they have proven that I can't trust them to be responsible. If your friends do that and disrespect you then you have some terrible friends.

I said many times if someone were to ask me to leave or disarm I would gladly do it because I'm not rude, but don't expect me to volunteer that information up front.

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And this is exactly why I don't want people carrying in my house. You carrying in my house could directly impede my ability to protect my family and my house.

If you don't trust me with a weapon in my own house, why should I trust you with a weapon in my house.

Let's just agree to disagree and hope you are never in my house.

I was just looking for something to entertain me today. Got me through most of the day.

Hell I don't even own a gun.

Thanks for the entertainment

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I was just looking for something to entertain me today. Got me through most of the day.

Hell I don't even own a gun.

Thanks for the entertainment

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That would explain why your argument was so absurd

You too kept me entertained while water and electricity was on and off in mt house for renovations

And you asked me if I was trolling?

I said A gun. I have about 30

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I said A gun. I have about 30

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No you said I don't even own a gun, implying you own less than a (1).

If I shoot Perp in my home, I'm okay.

If Guest shoots Perp in my home, I wonder if I'm insured. I should check into that.

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If I shoot Perp in my home, I'm okay.

If Guest shoots Perp in my home, I wonder if I'm insured. I should check into that.

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I asked that earlier and no one answered, except for someone saying the last thing they would think about is liability

I think if your employer prohibits employees from carrying and there is an incident the employee can sue and hold the employer liable for removing their rights. I wonder if that also applies to homeowners who remove their guests rights.

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We keep a lockbox by the front door. All guests' guns go in there while in the house. Or else, they don't have to be our guests.

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Do you frisk guests that come to your home??? What if they carry and don't tell you??? What if you never know???

"Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"

Post that on a sign outside your house. You'll be the darling of the neighborhood.

You guys crack me up. When friends or family come over the house, they pull out their guns and unload. Guns everywhere... on the coffee table, kitchen counter, everywhere! This is TEXAS dammit!

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I think if your employer prohibits employees from carrying and there is an incident the employee can sue and hold the employer liable for removing their rights. I wonder if that also applies to homeowners who remove their guests rights.

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False.

This is not currently a law, but there is a bill filed in the Texas House regarding such creation of liability on a business that posts 30.06 and 30.07 notices.

OB discussion here: https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/2826427

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Not trying to be a smartass, but if violence broke out, I'm not worried whether I'm protected by castle doctrine in your house.

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Honest question: How many parties have you been to where you had to use your concealed handgun to defend yourself and your property? You might want to look for new friends if this is really on your mind.

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May want to read up on the Carr brothers and what they did to a small gathering in Wichita, KS.

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If a person has a concealed carry permit, should they let you know that they are carrying when they enter your home for dinner/a party/whatever???

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In my mind, proper etiquette for concealed carry is that if I am carrying concealed the only reason you should know I am carrying is if somebody needs shooting. This includes not announcing that I carry before, during, or after the fact.

howdy,

point #1: your home is your 'CASTLE'. you call the
shots(no pun) legally. your guest can carry or no, it
is your call....let them in; or tell them to keep the weapon
in the car.

point #2: if there is LIQUOR being served, then you are
putting youself, your family, and guests at risk. even if
there is no 'accident', and, later, they are flagged for drinking
and have their firearm with them....its loss of license and jail time....
AND....possibly you, too. tell them to leave the weapon in
the car (and have a designated driver) or don't bring it at all
if they plan on drinking....EVEN ONE SHOOTER.

suggestion: PLAY IT SAFE! gig'em, chuck