It allows one to feel self righteous and sanctimonious and also to live comfortably in many social circles as one of the "enlightened" who is immune to criticism.
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We have less economic mobility than much of Europe.
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We have less economic mobility than much of Europe.
Ok. So, is that by definition a problem?
I am for equal opportunity. You are talking about equal outcome.
There is a reason that some families and people groups are better at stuff than others. They work harder, have more talent, are more skilled, are smarter, are whatever.
I don't hear anyone complaining about the lack of Japanese football players. Where is the "economic mobility" in the NFL?
Why aren't there more Russian MLB managers?
Why aren't there more black violinists?
Why aren't there more male nurses and teachers?
Get over it. Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome.
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What I'm discussing is equal opportunity. We don't have it.
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No, that's not the definition of equal opportunity. Equal opportunity assumes equal access to opportunity. We don't have that.
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No, that's not the definition of equal opportunity. Equal opportunity assumes equal access to opportunity. We don't have that.
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Well, I and a friend from high school both had similar grades, activities, and SAT scores. We both went to A&M. He's half Mexican and that's why he got twice the scholarship money I got. So I guess you're right. It was not "equal opportunity."
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Well, it does say they are merit based scholarships. So maybe those kids have better grades.
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Really? You think a poor child in Appalachia or the inner city has the exact same opportunity as a suburban middle or upper class child?
quote:Have we controlled for the higher percentage among equally qualified applicants? Nope. That article even basically admits it isn't race-related. Geez, did you actually read it? It's income-related. And in merit-based scholarships those with higher incomes are likely to have higher test scores due to quality of schools/access to tutors/parental free time helping children learn, etc. while these may be correlated to race, they are NOT caused by race. Huge difference.quote:
Well, I and a friend from high school both had similar grades, activities, and SAT scores. We both went to A&M. He's half Mexican and that's why he got twice the scholarship money I got. So I guess you're right. It was not "equal opportunity."
Anecdotes are fun. Despite complaints about affirmative action, a disproportionate share of scholarship dollars still go to white students.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/09/06/merit_based_and_private_scholarships_disproportionately_favor_white_students
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Well, it does say they are merit based scholarships. So maybe those kids have better grades.
That's it. White kids earned all their scholarships. Minority kids didn't. Right?
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You are aware that race correlates with poverty and that there are historic reasons for this correlation?
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You are aware that race correlates with poverty and that there are historic reasons for this correlation?
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You are aware that race correlates with poverty and that there are historic reasons for this correlation?
By "historic reasons," do you mean liberal wealth redistribution policies that destroy the family, destroy initiative, reward lack of productivity, encourage higher birth rates, and foster negative attitudes, a victim mentality, generational failure, and class warfare?
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I used to think he was a smart guy
quote:Did you revive an old sock so you can continue blabbing about this issue?
I didn't get banned for this debate or issue.
quote:quote:Did you revive an old sock so you can continue blabbing about this issue?
I didn't get banned for this debate or issue.
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Are you blabbing about this issue?
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People have been reasonable with you