JeremyJahns lights this movie up on fire...
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I feel justified in my opinion on FF 6 months ago when I heard @jeffcannata 's gobsmacked reaction to it. I've never been more mad at a movie then watching the nu-FF a few months ago when we were going to work on it. How does an incredible property get made 3x in 10 years and they still don't get it close to right?
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The nu-FF really made me appreciate the few parts that Tomorrowland got right. Nothing happens, it's tonally inconsistent, the villain appears in the last act out of nowhere, no chemistry amongst actors. That was the problem I had when we were trying to help. No one could tell us what the movie was supposed to be.
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This reboot is anything but fantastic. Don't waste your money on this.
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Fantastic Four is Catwoman-level awful. It wastes a great cast and cool source material.
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The end result is a patchwork monster that, by its third act, is almost painful to watch, even if everyone in Hollywood really should watch it as a cautionary tale.
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I have nothing good to say about "Fantastic Four" --- so let's just leave it at that.
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I want my $8 back, and another $8 for mental anguish.
Holy crap that movie is bad.
quote:you would be HUGELY wrong. Critics won't mention it because they're generally smarter than that, and I think probably most of them genuinely don't care. But a lot of "fans" have been pissed ever since the announcement. I've seen it on the IMDB forums, blu-ray.com, and several comic sites. I don't even want to know what Reddit and 4Chan made of it, they're both notoriously racist when it comes to movies.
None of the reviews I've read have mentioned the race change, aside from perhaps an opening paragraph detailing the first time the film made news.
If people don't give this movie a chance, it should be because of things like the RottenTomatoes blurbs like this:
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This reboot is anything but fantastic. Don't waste your money on this.quote:
Fantastic Four is Catwoman-level awful. It wastes a great cast and cool source material.quote:
The end result is a patchwork monster that, by its third act, is almost painful to watch, even if everyone in Hollywood really should watch it as a cautionary tale.quote:
I have nothing good to say about "Fantastic Four" --- so let's just leave it at that.
Or even from our own BigRobSA above:
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I want my $8 back, and another $8 for mental anguish.
Holy crap that movie is bad.
At this point, I don't think anyone cares that Johnny is black. I didn't even care when it was announced - Wallace is awesome.
quote:I agree, I only meant that that loud minority is also the most likely to flood IMDB with bad ratings before ever watching the movie.
That's a case of the loud minority, imo. I'd wager that about 1% of the target market cares one way or the other.
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Knew this movie would be trouble when they said human torch would be black.
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Whoa, wait a second...they cast a black guy as Johnny Storm?
That doesn't make any sense, when the hell did that happen???
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Also why is Johnny Storm black? Last time I checked he wasn't black.
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I'm boycotting because of that black guy
quote:I do'nt think anybody is making that argument. It's been pretty clear from early on that the racist vitriol was coming a very vocal minority of anti-PC "crusaders" and the typical MRA and gamergate crowds.
I hope people don't try and use racism as an excuse for why this film failed. That's some Jesse Jackson level of spin.
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Of course racism is at play here. Just look at those excerpts 30 was kind enough to expose. Fanboys are not exactly known for their tolerance, and Jordan being a good actor is all that should matter. But some people always insist on bringing their personal hang ups into their entertainment consumption.
Look, I get it....it's just a comic book movie. But the ugly side of society is always seeping just below the surface. Let's be honest here.
quote:oh come on. Nobody is saying it's failing ONLY because of racism. But you have to be blind or willfully obtuse to believe that racism isn't at least a tiny part of the hate thrown at the movie, especially before it ever even opened. Maybe it's only 5% of the reason, but it's dishonest to say race has "nothing to do with it."quote:
Of course racism is at play here. Just look at those excerpts 30 was kind enough to expose. Fanboys are not exactly known for their tolerance, and Jordan being a good actor is all that should matter. But some people always insist on bringing their personal hang ups into their entertainment consumption.
Look, I get it....it's just a comic book movie. But the ugly side of society is always seeping just below the surface. Let's be honest here.
It's failing because it is a bad movie.
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The story being horrible and forced is what is causing the craptasticness of the results, not racism.
James Earl Jones or Laurence Olivier could have played Storm and it wouldn't have made a difference. Claiming "racism" is grasping at weak-minded straws when "bad movie" is more accurate and based upon real life.
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The story being horrible and forced is what is causing the craptasticness of the results, not racism.
James Earl Jones or Laurence Olivier could have played Storm and it wouldn't have made a difference. Claiming "racism" is grasping at weak-minded straws when "bad movie" is more accurate and based upon real life.
So you are actually denying that there are people who made up their minds about this movie long before the first frame rolled in theaters because of MBJ? There's sticking your head in the sand, but your feet aren't even sticking out anymore.
quote:BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
What we really need is some way to quantify the impact upon box office of online racism, and hopefully eventually a national review board with some measure of disciplinary authority.