Story Poster
Photo by Alex Parker, TexAgs
Texas A&M Football

Aggies name Kyler Murray starter for South Carolina game

October 30, 2015
79,186

Per multiple sources, Kevin Sumlin has informed the team that the Aggies are going with the true freshman on Saturday against South Carolina.

No. 1 is now QB1, as Kyler Murray has gotten the call. 

Kyle Allen, A&M's starter for the first seven games, followed up three pick-sixes against Alabama by struggling mightily against Ole Miss. He was replaced by Jake Hubenak in the fourth quarter after the game was essentially out of reach and Sumlin said Tuesday he was opening up the quarterback job, leading to a week of intrigue.

Murray, the son of revered A&M QB Kevin Murray and a Texas high school legend, was eventually tabbed and will be making the first start of his career in Aggieland against the Gamecocks. In limited action Kyler has thrown for 167 yards and one touchdown against two interceptions on 17 of 31 passing.

He has also rushed for 92 yards on 18 carries.

Murray had been used sparingly in wins against Arizona State, Ball State, Nevada and Arkansas and in A&M's loss to Alabama, but was held out of the Ole Miss loss — relegated to third-team QB behind Hubenak — for what was reported to be disciplinary reasons.

However, when Sumlin announced the open competition he also made a point to say Murray had "done the things necessary that [the staff] asked him to do."

As we discussed earlier on Friday and I speculated the previous Sunday, the change couldn't have been an easy decision but it certainly appears like the right one — and the one with the largest potential payoff.

In my opinion, it's as simple as this: Kyler is going to give the Texas A&M offense an element that could really help offset ongoing protection issues and also a potential dynamic playmaker at the quarterback position.

Now, the Aggie legacy who went 43-0 as the starter at Allen High School will get his chance in maroon ... or, in this case, 'Aggie Nights' black.
Discussion from...

Aggies name Kyler Murray starter for South Carolina game

56,529 Views | 68 Replies | Last: 9 yr ago by Dave Knesek
Deputy Travis Junior
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
Bottom line : Kyler has potential to return a manziel-like threat to Aggie offense. The others do not. What took so long? Was very apparent in our first game vs ASU.


What took so long? Being blunt, he's looked very bad when he's tried to throw, and a 175 pound running QB is not generally the type of guy you want leading the offense.

Best of luck to him and I hope he does well, but damn. It's like some of you guys don't actually watch the games or don't understand what you're watching.
tamc12
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
So a reporter on the Finebaum show is reporting from A&M and says she attended practice yesterday and Kyler Murray took every rep with the 1s. Sounds like that fair competition Sumlin talked about at his press conference. He is just a liar. And will eventually lose respect from his players, coaches and fans, if this continues. He has been very condescending all along with reporters with his smirks and belittling sarcasm. Then he decided he didn't need to talk about injuries which is just spitting in the face of Aggies who care about their players and have a deep passion for their team. It is total disrespect, arrogance and narcissim. I have had my fill of his attitude, I have the power and you cant make me, attitude. This whole debacle along with the mismanagement of Kenny Hill last year and all the thugs that were arrested, especially the players that committed armed robbery. How many times do we let this man create chaos with our team. And there are those that do not think Spavital is competent but he is following his leader. Sumlin says he talks to the OC and DC between all series, so its not like Spav is running amok. This is all on Sumlin. And what he did to Kyle Allen is unforgivable, and Kyle should be putting in his paperwork to transfer. Our coaches don't deserve him. Sumlin never made Kyle feel confident, was always having to look over his shoulder for Kyler coming in to replace him, that is just wrong. And in press conferences, he never once talked about Kyle that he didn't bring up Kyler. A reporter would specifically ask a question about Kyle and Sumlin would always add comments on Kyler along with it. Sumlin killed Kyle's spirit, and his confidence.
Bryanisbest
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
quote:
quote:
Bottom line : Kyler has potential to return a manziel-like threat to Aggie offense. The others do not. What took so long? Was very apparent in our first game vs ASU.


What took so long? Being blunt, he's looked very bad when he's tried to throw, and a 175 pound running QB is not generally the type of guy you want leading the offense.

Best of luck to him and I hope he does well, but damn. It's like some of you guys don't actually watch the games or don't understand what you're watching.


I watched the fact that Kyler has never really been given the reins so he could relax and play. Allen has and failed. You will see. Just hide and watch as we used to say.
P.C. Principal
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
So a reporter on the Finebaum show is reporting from A&M and says she attended practice yesterday and Kyler Murray took every rep with the 1s. Sounds like that fair competition Sumlin talked about at his press conference. He is just a liar. And will eventually lose respect from his players, coaches and fans, if this continues. He has been very condescending all along with reporters with his smirks and belittling sarcasm. Then he decided he didn't need to talk about injuries which is just spitting in the face of Aggies who care about their players and have a deep passion for their team. It is total disrespect, arrogance and narcissim. I have had my fill of his attitude, I have the power and you cant make me, attitude. This whole debacle along with the mismanagement of Kenny Hill last year and all the thugs that were arrested, especially the players that committed armed robbery. How many times do we let this man create chaos with our team. And there are those that do not think Spavital is competent but he is following his leader. Sumlin says he talks to the OC and DC between all series, so its not like Spav is running amok. This is all on Sumlin. And what he did to Kyle Allen is unforgivable, and Kyle should be putting in his paperwork to transfer. Our coaches don't deserve him. Sumlin never made Kyle feel confident, was always having to look over his shoulder for Kyler coming in to replace him, that is just wrong. And in press conferences, he never once talked about Kyle that he didn't bring up Kyler. A reporter would specifically ask a question about Kyle and Sumlin would always add comments on Kyler along with it. Sumlin killed Kyle's spirit, and his confidence.
I think you're overreacting a little
datrixstunna
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Have lost respect for Sumlin. He threw Allen under the bus to save his skin and that of his drinking buddy Spav.
tamc12
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Nope, Sumlin is way over his head. He should have stayed with a Houston type of school. I have watched nearly all of his press conferences. He is shifty, stutters, says uhuhuhuh, more than anyone I have ever seen, often times stumbles over words. He has no answers, so he talks in circles and lies and repeats the same garbage week to week. When you don't have the answers you often times see people bully the person asking the question. That is what he began to do some time ago. Now compare a John Chavis interview, very direct, and to the point. Could not be more difference in the two.
involatile
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Will Kyle Allen transfer? I hope not...
roginaustin
How long do you want to ignore this user?
S
quote:
Nope, Sumlin is way over his head. He should have stayed with a Houston type of school. I have watched nearly all of his press conferences. He is shifty, stutters, says uhuhuhuh, more than anyone I have ever seen, often times stumbles over words. He has no answers, so he talks in circles and lies and repeats the same garbage week to week. When you don't have the answers you often times see people bully the person asking the question. That is what he began to do some time ago. Now compare a John Chavis interview, very direct, and to the point. Could not be more difference in the two.


I like Summy, but he does use a lot of coach speak and conversational fillers.
Apache
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Wow. I've seen some crazy posts before, but these are some good ones.:
quote:

Kyler is thinking "Wow, if I had just been the little punk a** bit*h to my coaches earlier, I would have been playing from the beginning. Who Knew?"
You don't think Kyle playing terrible had anything to do with Kyler getting the nod? Kyler sat after his outburst, he did not immediately get put into the starting lineup. Also, who the heck are you to get into Kyler's head? Please rest.

quote:
So a reporter on the Finebaum show is reporting from A&M and says she attended practice yesterday and Kyler Murray took every rep with the 1s. Sounds like that fair competition Sumlin talked about at his press conference. He is just a liar.
You're taking word from a reporter that attended one whole practice (allegedly) Do you know if Kyle took first reps the day before that? What would be fair? Alternating series? Every third series? How about Hubanek? Where does he fit in? You have no idea what went on. What if Kyle looked terrible on Wednesday & Kyler played lights out? Would Kyler deserve the start then? What would make you happy? Because I'm sure your happiness is what the A&M coaching staff is really concerned about.

quote:

And will eventually lose respect from his players, coaches and fans, if this continues. He has been very condescending all along with reporters with his smirks and belittling sarcasm.
Way to project your emotions as a disconnected bystander onto the players & coaches with no knowledge of Sumlin's relationship with those players or coaches. Would you rather Sumlin have a Mack Brown orange slice personality? I'm curious what coach out there has the personality that you feel our team needs.

quote:
Then he decided he didn't need to talk about injuries which is just spitting in the face of Aggies who care about their players and have a deep passion for their team. It is total disrespect, arrogance and narcissim. I have had my fill of his attitude
Sumlin not talking about injuries is not unique. It is strategic so opponents have to consider that the injured player may be in fact in the game & something else they have to prepare for. While I applaud your "deep passion" for the team, how about you just pray for the injured player instead of getting butt hurt that Sumlin isn't telling you about it? Would you really sleep easier if you knew Speedy was 100%? You should get a freaking dog.
Apache
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
quote:
I like Summy, but he does use a lot of coach speak and conversational fillers.
That's why they call it coach speak! I don't think any Aggie in the world would care if our coach spoke like either Belichek or Spurrier provided they win games.

Sumlin goes on a winning streak and some of y'all are loving his smugness with reporters and his cocky attitude. When he loses it's a problem. If you are going to judge him, at least do it by the product that is on the field which is fair. How he talks to reporters doesn't make a hill of beans.

I'm not happy with where the offense has been headed & I'm not a Sumlin apologist, but many of these posts are grasping at figurative straws trying to beat him down.

I'll be interested to see the reaction when we finish out the season without another loss.
Deputy Travis Junior
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:

I watched the fact that Kyler has never really been given the reins so he could relax and play. Allen has and failed. You will see. Just hide and watch as we used to say.


I'm just not seeing it. He doesn't need "the reins" to roll out of the pocket and complete a 6-7 yards through the air pass to the flats. He doesn't need the reins to notice safeties in deep coverage and not throw to those areas (it'd be one thing of he had a huge arm and thought he could force it, but...) And he definitely doesn't need the reins to throw a deep ball that takes less time to get to its target than a Kaser punt.

Those aren't criticisms as much as they're simply a common reality for young players playing at a much faster speed than they're used to seeing and who haven't spent time in a college S&C program.
tamc12
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
And you should go back and watch sumlin interviews leading up to the most recent. And most coaches are not as evasive about their players injuries or conditions. Nor do they leave a player out to complete speculation as he did to Kyle. We all know there is more to the story there and Sumlin used Kyle to save face with Kevin Murray, so he didn't have to expose the little golden boy's disciplinary action. What he did to Kyle Allen is disgraceful and if Kyle has more aggravated injury because of what Sumlin did to leave him in the game, Allens should sue him. If I had a recruit I would never trust his well being to Sumlin after seeing that display. There is not one person reporting on television that can understand what Sumlin did to Kyle. Even Jackie Sherrill commented on how wrong it was this week. Everyone agrees it was bad to use him that way and was humiliating to him and would absolutely work to destroy his players confidence and game. That one thing alone makes Sumlin one sorry individual.
tamc12
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Marcus Spears talking now on Finebaum about what a stupid decision Sumlin has made once again. You take a player that just disrespected your coach and then in 2 weeks you make him your starting quarterback. What kind of message are you sending to your team. Then goes on to say that Kyler has never played like he could lead the team nor is the team built for his type of play. Our strength is our wide receivers, and Kyler cant throw.
Everyone is baffled by Sumlin's decisions. Sumlin is at a loss as to what to do. And now Kevin Murray is putting the ol Aggie squeeze on him with the scary T word. And I'm sure after how he treated Kyle Sumlin has to be worried that Kyle Allen is on his way out.

Sumlin's time here needs to be over! That is more immediate than Spavital.

TripleSec
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
quote:
It's time.



To lose every fight he's been in? Not sure about the analogy.
Texags is garbage
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Dooku ran away from Yoda
JMACD
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Wake up and smell the coffee! You take Marcus Spears the lsu goobers word over Sumlin. Really, not only are you over reacting, your a big bag of wind!
TJJackson
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I think it's obvious that Sumlin would rather lose KA than KM. He knew if he didn't start KM that he'd leave.

I'm sure Gabe is extra giddy about this news.
MsDoubleD81
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Let's go Kyler. Now's the time to show everyone you are what you think you are.
Lateralus Ag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Best thing about Sumlin: he got Chavis
Worst thing about Sumlin: everything else.

Bad thing is, Chavis won't hang around in this **** show for very long. He's probably already looking for another gig with a team that isn't disfunctional as ****.
WestCoastAg90
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Gig Em Kyler!

If he shows he has it this year we finish strong and head into next year looking good!
justinaggie
How long do you want to ignore this user?
So many walls of text and not one tl/dr.... must be a legit topic. I'm going to save it to prove some day they do exist...
fireinthehole
How long do you want to ignore this user?
There's a lot of blithering on this thread without any first hand knowledge. A lot of worthless speculation. TexAgs.
skaggsjw
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
If Sumlin's motivations were as you say, I would be appalled. However, when you know very little, it's usually wise to give folks the benefit of the doubt. Sumlin isn't infallible but when you start your criticism with your assessment of his press conference communication skills and then act like Chavis is a wordsmith, you lose me.
CapAg07
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
quote:
Nope, Sumlin is way over his head. He should have stayed with a Houston type of school. I have watched nearly all of his press conferences. He is shifty, stutters, says uhuhuhuh, more than anyone I have ever seen, often times stumbles over words. He has no answers, so he talks in circles and lies and repeats the same garbage week to week. When you don't have the answers you often times see people bully the person asking the question. That is what he began to do some time ago. Now compare a John Chavis interview, very direct, and to the point. Could not be more difference in the two.

Alright Mrs. Allen relax please
Bryanisbest
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG

When a player knows the job is his for at least the whole half he can relax and play. Does not have to press on every play for fear of being jerked on the next series. Kyler has never had this luxury. Kyler has appeared to be pressing when he throws. Once he is allowed to relax and settle into a rhythm he will be awesome. When blocking breaks down he can get away and run the football.
MidTnAg
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Great decision. He deserves a chance. Wish the weather was going to be better.
Post removed:
by user
WC94
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Marcus Spears made a bad decision attending LSU. Now he's Paul's *****, because he doesn't have an Aggie dilploma.
peace
How long do you want to ignore this user?
S
Amazingly rapid development in just 4 days of practice. With KM's sullen personality, makes one wonder what elements of ''leadership'' he demonstrates, since that was part of the criteria Sumlin said would factor into the decision in his early week presser.
ashley
How long do you want to ignore this user?
quote:
There's a lot of blithering on this thread without any first hand knowledge. A lot of worthless speculation. TexAgs.

Your exactly right. Sumlin simply decided to change quarterbacks this week & that might last one quarter or the whole game. People that are wringing their and thinking all the players are going to need professional counseling don't understand college football. He world is not comming to an end. We simply lost to two good teams and have a good chance to win three of the next four game.
fieldtrailer
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
quote:
quote:
KM couldn't win the job in camp, has not shown much to this point, and suddenly we are supposed to think he put it all together in one week? I wish him the best, but it seems suspicious to me.
this x1000


Small chance Kyle was going to recover from the bama loss. Add the miss game.... If that is too cruel, quit following. Not the 1st time. Won't be the last. you can lose, but you can't do that (bama).

Go back to last year, he had (2) one halfs of good games. Auburn and miss st this year. LSU game, the offense was horrendous. With recruiting taking a hit, Sumlin has to try something. End of the year, he has to do more.

Hope you get behind the team. Either way, it's happening.
Bryanisbest
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
quote:

When a player knows the job is his for at least the whole half he can relax and play. Does not have to press on every play for fear of being jerked on the next series. Kyler has never had this luxury. Kyler has appeared to be pressing when he throws. Once he is allowed to relax and settle into a rhythm he will be awesome. When blocking breaks down he can get away and run the football.


See what I'm sayin?
jmctamu90
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
quote:
quote:
Good luck to Kyler. Kyle Allen is a class act and represented us with class.
Kyle's not dead. Let's not totally write the kid off.
Did I say dead? I was complimenting him? Get a life. My guess is Kyle won't be wearing an Aggie uniform next year. I've thought all along one of the two five star qb's would end up taking the reins with the other transferring and starting for another program.

This offense is better suited for a dual threat versus a pro style qb. This is even more the case with the zone read, power run game, being installed this year. Things can change quickly as we have all seen but I don't see Kyler not being the guy for our offense unless injury or off field issues surface in the future.

Dave Knesek
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I assume everyone saw enough last night to realize that Kyle Allen is the "QB of the future" at A&M.
Refresh
Page 2 of 2
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.