it's a sad world if they start doing this crap again.tamuangry said:
After finally relaxing requirements (mask, temp checking, restrict occupancy limits), work is reintroducing some controls this week in response to a significant number of employees coming down with Covid.
Anyone else seeing this effect at your job?
Well, seeing his handle, his boss is kinda an ass. Just look at what his Christmas bonus was last year...Proposition Joe said:
Yes take advice from the guy telling you to steal.
swc93 said:
Yes, company is in Addison. Dallas county is in the red and an increased number of employees are hitting positive tests. Masks required in the office when walking around, stay home if exposed. Easy enough.
swc93 said:
Yes, company is in Addison. Dallas county is in the red and an increased number of employees are hitting positive tests. Masks required in the office when walking around, stay home if exposed. Easy enough.
Just had an interesting experience with the HR dept of the company I work for based on me testing positive for Covid back July 22 and after previously testing negative 2X between July 10 and July 18.Capitol Ag said:swc93 said:
Yes, company is in Addison. Dallas county is in the red and an increased number of employees are hitting positive tests. Masks required in the office when walking around, stay home if exposed. Easy enough.
My personal take? Hospitals are not threatened, there are plenty of avenues to fight Covid now and the virus is overall much less severe. The time to move on from masking is way past due. I'm all for sick people staying home (that's not new and why there's PTO/sick days). Outside of that, imo, it's time to proceed in a pre 2019 state of mind regarding masking. At least until an actual legit study can be done which hasn't happened and doubtfully ever will.
A couple of other things of note or questions I would have. Is it absolutely mandatory and what happens if you just show up without a mask? Will there be a write up. Does the policy explicitly state the terms for noncompliance? Will the company provide masks for employees? I make it a point to make an establishment provide a mask for me if they demand one. I'll wear it then. But I refuse to buy them and carry them with me. Making companies and retail have to flip the bill on masks eventually could help encourage them to stop these things if they are the ones paying for the masks. Plus I rather enjoy the passive aggressive approach. I never argue against the mask. Whatever, it's your place and your rules. But I do enjoy that it establishes where I am on this without a fight or altercation. Obviously, if they would fire you over this, wear it. But, yes, I would be getting my resume out there as it shows larger issues at hand within the company that go deeper than just Covid and I'd prefer to find more habitable offices to be around in the future.
Staff: Feel free to edit as these are just my thoughts and I felt compelled to respond today to this. I am with Dr. Vinay Prasad on the issue that until an actual properly conducted controlled cluster randomized trial study is done giving compelling evidence that masking has worked, no one should be mandating masks period.
I think the lesson here is to be careful how much personal health information you disclose. Should probably say nothing unless you have a positive test result.Rascal said:Just had an interesting experience with the HR dept of the company I work for based on me testing positive for Covid back July 22 and after previously testing negative 2X between July 10 and July 18.Capitol Ag said:swc93 said:
Yes, company is in Addison. Dallas county is in the red and an increased number of employees are hitting positive tests. Masks required in the office when walking around, stay home if exposed. Easy enough.
My personal take? Hospitals are not threatened, there are plenty of avenues to fight Covid now and the virus is overall much less severe. The time to move on from masking is way past due. I'm all for sick people staying home (that's not new and why there's PTO/sick days). Outside of that, imo, it's time to proceed in a pre 2019 state of mind regarding masking. At least until an actual legit study can be done which hasn't happened and doubtfully ever will.
A couple of other things of note or questions I would have. Is it absolutely mandatory and what happens if you just show up without a mask? Will there be a write up. Does the policy explicitly state the terms for noncompliance? Will the company provide masks for employees? I make it a point to make an establishment provide a mask for me if they demand one. I'll wear it then. But I refuse to buy them and carry them with me. Making companies and retail have to flip the bill on masks eventually could help encourage them to stop these things if they are the ones paying for the masks. Plus I rather enjoy the passive aggressive approach. I never argue against the mask. Whatever, it's your place and your rules. But I do enjoy that it establishes where I am on this without a fight or altercation. Obviously, if they would fire you over this, wear it. But, yes, I would be getting my resume out there as it shows larger issues at hand within the company that go deeper than just Covid and I'd prefer to find more habitable offices to be around in the future.
Staff: Feel free to edit as these are just my thoughts and I felt compelled to respond today to this. I am with Dr. Vinay Prasad on the issue that until an actual properly conducted controlled cluster randomized trial study is done giving compelling evidence that masking has worked, no one should be mandating masks period.
I had a recorded interview with my boss where he asked me 3 questions:
1. Can you explain your thought process in deciding to come to the office when you were sick?
2. Do you find it acceptable to come to the office if you are sick?
3. Do you understand that your poor decision making has sever consequences?
4. What form of sickness do you have to have for you to decide on your own to stay home?
I had what I thought was a sinus infection/cold during the last few days of my vacation in early July- never had fever, chills, no sore throat or anything bad. Turned into a tight, somewhat frequent cough, but nothing too out of control.
Went to work for 3x straight days that first week back and then 1x day the following week (testing negative twice, the days before I went back each week). The Friday of the 2nd week (July 22) I went to the doctor and tested positive b/c that night I was coughing more and had more sinus drainage. Then notified my boss and stayed and WFH for 2 weeks and am better now and tested negative.
Anybody else experience this corporate protocol?
True. I left out part of the story though.torrid said:I think the lesson here is to be careful how much personal health information you disclose. Should probably say nothing unless you have a positive test result.Rascal said:Just had an interesting experience with the HR dept of the company I work for based on me testing positive for Covid back July 22 and after previously testing negative 2X between July 10 and July 18.Capitol Ag said:swc93 said:
Yes, company is in Addison. Dallas county is in the red and an increased number of employees are hitting positive tests. Masks required in the office when walking around, stay home if exposed. Easy enough.
My personal take? Hospitals are not threatened, there are plenty of avenues to fight Covid now and the virus is overall much less severe. The time to move on from masking is way past due. I'm all for sick people staying home (that's not new and why there's PTO/sick days). Outside of that, imo, it's time to proceed in a pre 2019 state of mind regarding masking. At least until an actual legit study can be done which hasn't happened and doubtfully ever will.
A couple of other things of note or questions I would have. Is it absolutely mandatory and what happens if you just show up without a mask? Will there be a write up. Does the policy explicitly state the terms for noncompliance? Will the company provide masks for employees? I make it a point to make an establishment provide a mask for me if they demand one. I'll wear it then. But I refuse to buy them and carry them with me. Making companies and retail have to flip the bill on masks eventually could help encourage them to stop these things if they are the ones paying for the masks. Plus I rather enjoy the passive aggressive approach. I never argue against the mask. Whatever, it's your place and your rules. But I do enjoy that it establishes where I am on this without a fight or altercation. Obviously, if they would fire you over this, wear it. But, yes, I would be getting my resume out there as it shows larger issues at hand within the company that go deeper than just Covid and I'd prefer to find more habitable offices to be around in the future.
Staff: Feel free to edit as these are just my thoughts and I felt compelled to respond today to this. I am with Dr. Vinay Prasad on the issue that until an actual properly conducted controlled cluster randomized trial study is done giving compelling evidence that masking has worked, no one should be mandating masks period.
I had a recorded interview with my boss where he asked me 3 questions:
1. Can you explain your thought process in deciding to come to the office when you were sick?
2. Do you find it acceptable to come to the office if you are sick?
3. Do you understand that your poor decision making has sever consequences?
4. What form of sickness do you have to have for you to decide on your own to stay home?
I had what I thought was a sinus infection/cold during the last few days of my vacation in early July- never had fever, chills, no sore throat or anything bad. Turned into a tight, somewhat frequent cough, but nothing too out of control.
Went to work for 3x straight days that first week back and then 1x day the following week (testing negative twice, the days before I went back each week). The Friday of the 2nd week (July 22) I went to the doctor and tested positive b/c that night I was coughing more and had more sinus drainage. Then notified my boss and stayed and WFH for 2 weeks and am better now and tested negative.
Anybody else experience this corporate protocol?
My opinion is that this is all Bizzarro World stuff. Your health really should be no one's GD business. Ya, I know, at will states and all. But this situation has 100% crossed the line. From the ability of a co-worker to turn you in anonymously to the line of questioning your boss used including but not limited to the part about your "unwise decision". Whatever! Fine, I get dealing with it, but I'd go straight home after work and start combing my network and getting my resume out there.Rascal said:True. I left out part of the story though.torrid said:I think the lesson here is to be careful how much personal health information you disclose. Should probably say nothing unless you have a positive test result.Rascal said:Just had an interesting experience with the HR dept of the company I work for based on me testing positive for Covid back July 22 and after previously testing negative 2X between July 10 and July 18.Capitol Ag said:swc93 said:
Yes, company is in Addison. Dallas county is in the red and an increased number of employees are hitting positive tests. Masks required in the office when walking around, stay home if exposed. Easy enough.
My personal take? Hospitals are not threatened, there are plenty of avenues to fight Covid now and the virus is overall much less severe. The time to move on from masking is way past due. I'm all for sick people staying home (that's not new and why there's PTO/sick days). Outside of that, imo, it's time to proceed in a pre 2019 state of mind regarding masking. At least until an actual legit study can be done which hasn't happened and doubtfully ever will.
A couple of other things of note or questions I would have. Is it absolutely mandatory and what happens if you just show up without a mask? Will there be a write up. Does the policy explicitly state the terms for noncompliance? Will the company provide masks for employees? I make it a point to make an establishment provide a mask for me if they demand one. I'll wear it then. But I refuse to buy them and carry them with me. Making companies and retail have to flip the bill on masks eventually could help encourage them to stop these things if they are the ones paying for the masks. Plus I rather enjoy the passive aggressive approach. I never argue against the mask. Whatever, it's your place and your rules. But I do enjoy that it establishes where I am on this without a fight or altercation. Obviously, if they would fire you over this, wear it. But, yes, I would be getting my resume out there as it shows larger issues at hand within the company that go deeper than just Covid and I'd prefer to find more habitable offices to be around in the future.
Staff: Feel free to edit as these are just my thoughts and I felt compelled to respond today to this. I am with Dr. Vinay Prasad on the issue that until an actual properly conducted controlled cluster randomized trial study is done giving compelling evidence that masking has worked, no one should be mandating masks period.
I had a recorded interview with my boss where he asked me 3 questions:
1. Can you explain your thought process in deciding to come to the office when you were sick?
2. Do you find it acceptable to come to the office if you are sick?
3. Do you understand that your poor decision making has sever consequences?
4. What form of sickness do you have to have for you to decide on your own to stay home?
I had what I thought was a sinus infection/cold during the last few days of my vacation in early July- never had fever, chills, no sore throat or anything bad. Turned into a tight, somewhat frequent cough, but nothing too out of control.
Went to work for 3x straight days that first week back and then 1x day the following week (testing negative twice, the days before I went back each week). The Friday of the 2nd week (July 22) I went to the doctor and tested positive b/c that night I was coughing more and had more sinus drainage. Then notified my boss and stayed and WFH for 2 weeks and am better now and tested negative.
Anybody else experience this corporate protocol?
Because I was coughing somewhat frequently, but not out of control, the first day of the 2nd week I was back (after my 2nd negative home test), some coworker must have complained b/c I got a message from HR telling me to go home immediately b/c it had come to their attention that I was sick last week and this week. I never voluntarily shared anything other than casual chatting with my coworkers that I seem to have developed a sinus infection the tail end of my vacation. And my voice was clearly shot.
I explained that I passed two home tests and never had any severe symptoms whatsoever.
I totally understand the sensitivities with Covid peaking again, but man this was just a weird all around experience for me.
Capitol Ag said:My opinion is that this is all Bizzarro World stuff. Your health really should be no one's GD business. Ya, I know, at will states and all. But this situation has 100% crossed the line. From the ability of a co-worker to turn you in anonymously to the line of questioning your boss used including but not limited to the part about your "unwise decision". Whatever! Fine, I get dealing with it, but I'd go straight home after work and start combing my network and getting my resume out there.Rascal said:True. I left out part of the story though.torrid said:I think the lesson here is to be careful how much personal health information you disclose. Should probably say nothing unless you have a positive test result.Rascal said:Just had an interesting experience with the HR dept of the company I work for based on me testing positive for Covid back July 22 and after previously testing negative 2X between July 10 and July 18.Capitol Ag said:swc93 said:
Yes, company is in Addison. Dallas county is in the red and an increased number of employees are hitting positive tests. Masks required in the office when walking around, stay home if exposed. Easy enough.
My personal take? Hospitals are not threatened, there are plenty of avenues to fight Covid now and the virus is overall much less severe. The time to move on from masking is way past due. I'm all for sick people staying home (that's not new and why there's PTO/sick days). Outside of that, imo, it's time to proceed in a pre 2019 state of mind regarding masking. At least until an actual legit study can be done which hasn't happened and doubtfully ever will.
A couple of other things of note or questions I would have. Is it absolutely mandatory and what happens if you just show up without a mask? Will there be a write up. Does the policy explicitly state the terms for noncompliance? Will the company provide masks for employees? I make it a point to make an establishment provide a mask for me if they demand one. I'll wear it then. But I refuse to buy them and carry them with me. Making companies and retail have to flip the bill on masks eventually could help encourage them to stop these things if they are the ones paying for the masks. Plus I rather enjoy the passive aggressive approach. I never argue against the mask. Whatever, it's your place and your rules. But I do enjoy that it establishes where I am on this without a fight or altercation. Obviously, if they would fire you over this, wear it. But, yes, I would be getting my resume out there as it shows larger issues at hand within the company that go deeper than just Covid and I'd prefer to find more habitable offices to be around in the future.
Staff: Feel free to edit as these are just my thoughts and I felt compelled to respond today to this. I am with Dr. Vinay Prasad on the issue that until an actual properly conducted controlled cluster randomized trial study is done giving compelling evidence that masking has worked, no one should be mandating masks period.
I had a recorded interview with my boss where he asked me 3 questions:
1. Can you explain your thought process in deciding to come to the office when you were sick?
2. Do you find it acceptable to come to the office if you are sick?
3. Do you understand that your poor decision making has sever consequences?
4. What form of sickness do you have to have for you to decide on your own to stay home?
I had what I thought was a sinus infection/cold during the last few days of my vacation in early July- never had fever, chills, no sore throat or anything bad. Turned into a tight, somewhat frequent cough, but nothing too out of control.
Went to work for 3x straight days that first week back and then 1x day the following week (testing negative twice, the days before I went back each week). The Friday of the 2nd week (July 22) I went to the doctor and tested positive b/c that night I was coughing more and had more sinus drainage. Then notified my boss and stayed and WFH for 2 weeks and am better now and tested negative.
Anybody else experience this corporate protocol?
Because I was coughing somewhat frequently, but not out of control, the first day of the 2nd week I was back (after my 2nd negative home test), some coworker must have complained b/c I got a message from HR telling me to go home immediately b/c it had come to their attention that I was sick last week and this week. I never voluntarily shared anything other than casual chatting with my coworkers that I seem to have developed a sinus infection the tail end of my vacation. And my voice was clearly shot.
I explained that I passed two home tests and never had any severe symptoms whatsoever.
I totally understand the sensitivities with Covid peaking again, but man this was just a weird all around experience for me.
You were 100% wronged here, imho. Also, I am way past trying to understand anyone's sensitivities at this point. To me, all of this sets a dangerous precedent for corporations moving forward. Of course this is your situation not mine and it ain't about me. Just, what a Pandora's box we've opened with all of this. It will be very interesting to see how these things play out in the future regarding not just Covid but all illnesses and health issues. O figure at some point (maybe it already has happened) there will be a lawsuit filed by an employee fired or harassed by their company regarding their health.
May I ask what state you are in?
DukeMu said:
It's incredibly simple: the more people are regularly vaccinated every 4-6 months, the more COVID is like a cold or flu and we can just get on with our lives. The vaccine is being re-engineered to handle the B5 variant, and should be ready this Fall.
I can work at home or work, wear a mask if needed. It really doesn't bother me.
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I can work at home or work, wear a mask if needed. It really doesn't bother me.
DukeMu said:
It's incredibly simple: the more people are regularly vaccinated every 4-6 months, the more COVID is like a cold or flu and we can just get on with our lives. The vaccine is being re-engineered to handle the B5 variant, and should be ready this Fall.
I can work at home or work, wear a mask if needed. It really doesn't bother me.
DukeMu said:
It's incredibly simple: the more people are regularly vaccinated every 4-6 months, the more COVID is like a cold or flu and we can just get on with our lives. The vaccine is being re-engineered to handle the B5 variant, and should be ready this Fall.
I can work at home or work, wear a mask if needed. It really doesn't bother me.
What evidence do you have to support that statement? Do you mean all masks or only cloth masks? And what do you mean by a respiratory virus "of this nature". What about this virus makes masks less protective than other respiratory viruses?Quote:
Also, masks do nothing for a respiratory virus of this nature.
Jabin said:What evidence do you have to support that statement? Do you mean all masks or only cloth masks? And what do you mean by a respiratory virus "of this nature". What about this virus makes masks less protective than other respiratory viruses?Quote:
Also, masks do nothing for a respiratory virus of this nature.
Jabin said:What evidence do you have to support that statement? Do you mean all masks or only cloth masks? And what do you mean by a respiratory virus "of this nature". What about this virus makes masks less protective than other respiratory viruses?Quote:
Also, masks do nothing for a respiratory virus of this nature.
The issue is there isn't any. There has never been a properly administered cluster randomized study done on N95 usage or masking in general. Most mask studies have been total crap and inconclusive. And honestly, at this point, I m just not seeing any real reason at all to mask. But the CDC could have ended debate one way or the other by administering a well done study. They seem to refuse to, probably b/c they are afraid of the findings...Jabin said:
That may or may not be true but I did not make the assertion. The assertion was that masks do nothing for a respiratory virus of this nature. What evidence does that poster have to support that assertion?
In addition, whether we should or should not be wearing masks is a separate issue from whether they work or not. I've seen abundant evidence that cloth masks don't work, but I have not seen any evidence whatsoever that N95 masks, on the other extreme, do not work. Again, you have simply asserted that they do not without providing any evidence to support your assertion. I honestly would like to see evidence that conclusive one way or the other as to whether they work. I assume that you and the previous poster have such evidence since your statements were dogmatic without any equivocation.
