Thought this was interesting. Not specific to covid really but definitely applicable considering all the data showing obesity & obesity-related conditions (diabetes, poor cardiovascular fitness, etc) are the largest driver of poor outcomes (other than age).

We have enough data now on Covid as an inflammatory disease, and obesity increases inflammation within the body.

I would be very curious to see any data on whether anti-inflammation diets (and no i am not a vegetarian/vegan, nor am I pushing that!) have any impact on Covid susceptibility or outcomes.

I 100% believe heart health has a lot to do with severity and recovery of COVID.

We workout in a cardio heavy gym and I can only think of 1 person who has had a severe case. Most have been mild, ours included.

This is just my personal experience.

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Yet it's what physique athletes have done for years to stay super lean yet increase muscle during stretches between shows. Eating "clean" has to have an amazing impact on a person's health.

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Anyone ever done a formal study on the life expectancy and other measurable health criteria of the physique athletes vs. the general public?

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We have enough data now on Covid as an inflammatory disease, and obesity increases inflammation within the body.

I would be very curious to see any data on whether anti-inflammation diets (and no i am not a vegetarian/vegan, nor am I pushing that!) have any impact on Covid susceptibility or outcomes.

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IMO, eatingclean (balanced healthy meal with meat, low carb and some raw or steamed veggies) is an anti-inflammation diet. But it's strict as hell and many just can't get past the fact that butter, cream or sugar isn't part of it, b/c "taste". Yet it's what physique athletes have done for years to stay super lean yet increase muscle during stretches between shows. Eating "clean" has to have an amazing impact on a person's health. If combined with intense exercise the results are almost 100% positive. That's why I never advocated a "cleanse" as if one just is strict about their everyday diet (with a cheat meal once a week) there's most likely no need. Again, the media never covers what clean really means. The best thing for most people is to follow a competitive body builder or physique athlete. Given how many are on social media, it's easy to do. Most actually eat some of the most sensible meals and most are actually the definition of healthy. They tend to get a bad rap of being unhealthy but that tends to be only a small few. The biggest issue I run into are overweight people (or even healthy weight people wanting to shed body fat %) who "think" they eat healthy or clean. Then I show them my daily meals and it's like, wow! And no, Panda Express isn't "clean" lol. Neither is Chick Filet.

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I'm a huge advocate of meal prepping. I'll make an entire weeks worth of lunch and dinners at a time. Gwnerally chicken breast, black beans or brown rice and vegetables, almost always with a red sauce made with nothing but tomato paste and seasonings so that the meals aren't dry. I've made so many of them I don't even need to weigh the food anymore to know what I'm getting with each one.

I'm kind of weird though because I can and do eat the same thing every day and I don't get sick of it. Like I've eaten this meal almost daily for nearly 3 years not sick of it.

It is super easy to do and you can switch it up but it really helps to alleviate cheat temptations and helps you really track your macros. You can easily change the macros by adding or subtracting meat/carbs to get your desired splits. It is really a great system.

It just blows my mind how prevalent obesity is, especially how many are morbidly obese. Who hits 50+ lbs overweight and just thinks, "lets keep this going." I was absolutely miserable when I was overweight and I wasn't anywhere as bad as so many, and I did something about it because thats all you can do is be accountable to yourself and put in the work to make your life better.

I dont have to eat that, I choose to eat that. I actually go out of my way to eat that. I look forward to getting a pizza or burger and do so regularly. Obesity is a millstone around American societys neck. How much money do taxpayers spend on subsidizing care for obesity related issues? How much has obesity related covid outcomes affected this entire ****show of the 20's? Why has the LOSE WEIGHT EAT BETTER message not been front and center seeing as we know it is the number one cause of bad outcomes, not only from covid but other debilitating medical issues? Its already been mentioned, but not only has this not been the message, but the exact opposite has been pushed with body positivity and fat acceptance. Americans are slaves to the food and medical industries through the refusal to make good consumption choices and failure to moderate that consumption. Making excuses for people making bad decisions does not help. All that is is the bigotry of lowered expectations.

Fair enough. Blows my mind is also a little bit of hyperbole, which I am prone to on here. It is pretty sad that the economy thrives on people getting fat, staying fat and treating the things that being fat causes.

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I don't disagree with any of that.

I'm just saying it absolutely shouldn't "blow your mind". Our society is built around consumption. Buy this food and sit and watch this TV show. That's where revenue is generated.

If everyone starts filling their free time with bike rides, long walks and black beans and rice in lieu of watching NFL Sunday Ticket and eating Papa Johns while scrolling through their instagram feed (or Texags), then the economy goes in the ****ter realllll quick.

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I understand where you're coming from, but one can easily watch tv, scroll through their instagram feed, eat takeout, and buy tons of stuff that they don't need while still having time to exercise, go for walks, and appropriately manage calories.

https://instagr.am/p/CVygVOwrCCM

Simply the fact that they say "nearly all" instead of an actual percentage tells you just about everything you need to know.

Be serious about this. Get your vitamin D blood levels tested. Get a doc to help guide dosing. There are those who are Vit D uptake/absorption "challenged". Not many, but some. So do this right, for your health.

— Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) November 29, 2021

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We have enough data now on Covid as an inflammatory disease, and obesity increases inflammation within the body.

I would be very curious to see any data on whether anti-inflammation diets (and no i am not a vegetarian/vegan, nor am I pushing that!) have any impact on Covid susceptibility or outcomes.

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IMO, eatingclean (balanced healthy meal with meat, low carb and some raw or steamed veggies) is an anti-inflammation diet. But it's strict as hell and many just can't get past the fact that butter, cream or sugar isn't part of it, b/c "taste". Yet it's what physique athletes have done for years to stay super lean yet increase muscle during stretches between shows. Eating "clean" has to have an amazing impact on a person's health. If combined with intense exercise the results are almost 100% positive. That's why I never advocated a "cleanse" as if one just is strict about their everyday diet (with a cheat meal once a week) there's most likely no need. Again, the media never covers what clean really means. The best thing for most people is to follow a competitive body builder or physique athlete. Given how many are on social media, it's easy to do. Most actually eat some of the most sensible meals and most are actually the definition of healthy. They tend to get a bad rap of being unhealthy but that tends to be only a small few. The biggest issue I run into are overweight people (or even healthy weight people wanting to shed body fat %) who "think" they eat healthy or clean. Then I show them my daily meals and it's like, wow! And no, Panda Express isn't "clean" lol. Neither is Chick Filet.

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I agree with "eating clean" but your take on carbs is incorrect. Body builders and physique athletes eat a **** ton of carbs. You have to in order to train like they do. None of them stay lean year round either, they cut and bulk. It's an effective method, but this and blasting roids is why they have lower life expectancies than almost any other sports' athletes. Both take a serious toll on your heart. I don't think they're the best example of healthy lifestyles.

I'm not saying low carb is bad, just that those individuals you selected as an example don't follow low carb.

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Low card to me is 35-45 grams but sometimes only about 15-20. I just advocate not getting out of control with carbs and being aware that a 1/4 cup of rice for instance maybe all you need. Now, if you are trying to bulk up or get a lot stronger, a half cup or more of rice is better. But, I eat carbs. It's more about the macros overall. Though, I do need a lot of protein daily so that I track a lot harder than carbs.

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Capitol Ag said:

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We have enough data now on Covid as an inflammatory disease, and obesity increases inflammation within the body.

I would be very curious to see any data on whether anti-inflammation diets (and no i am not a vegetarian/vegan, nor am I pushing that!) have any impact on Covid susceptibility or outcomes.

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IMO, eatingclean (balanced healthy meal with meat, low carb and some raw or steamed veggies) is an anti-inflammation diet. But it's strict as hell and many just can't get past the fact that butter, cream or sugar isn't part of it, b/c "taste". Yet it's what physique athletes have done for years to stay super lean yet increase muscle during stretches between shows. Eating "clean" has to have an amazing impact on a person's health. If combined with intense exercise the results are almost 100% positive. That's why I never advocated a "cleanse" as if one just is strict about their everyday diet (with a cheat meal once a week) there's most likely no need. Again, the media never covers what clean really means. The best thing for most people is to follow a competitive body builder or physique athlete. Given how many are on social media, it's easy to do. Most actually eat some of the most sensible meals and most are actually the definition of healthy. They tend to get a bad rap of being unhealthy but that tends to be only a small few. The biggest issue I run into are overweight people (or even healthy weight people wanting to shed body fat %) who "think" they eat healthy or clean. Then I show them my daily meals and it's like, wow! And no, Panda Express isn't "clean" lol. Neither is Chick Filet.

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I'm a huge advocate of meal prepping. I'll make an entire weeks worth of lunch and dinners at a time. Gwnerally chicken breast, black beans or brown rice and vegetables, almost always with a red sauce made with nothing but tomato paste and seasonings so that the meals aren't dry. I've made so many of them I don't even need to weigh the food anymore to know what I'm getting with each one.

I'm kind of weird though because I can and do eat the same thing every day and I don't get sick of it. Like I've eaten this meal almost daily for nearly 3 years not sick of it.

It is super easy to do and you can switch it up but it really helps to alleviate cheat temptations and helps you really track your macros. You can easily change the macros by adding or subtracting meat/carbs to get your desired splits. It is really a great system.

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I'm like you. I actually prefer the "boring" meals and the same thing as at least I know what I am getting. I do think that you condition your mind to it over time. Many think that they could never just eat the same thing every day so they do not try to meal prep or tried it and got "sick" of the same meal for a number of days. But I feel if they just push through this sticking point, their mind and pallet will adjust and they won't have nearly as hard of a time with it. Most won't though and will quit and go back on their regular fast food diet.

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Yet it's what physique athletes have done for years to stay super lean yet increase muscle during stretches between shows. Eating "clean" has to have an amazing impact on a person's health.

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Anyone ever done a formal study on the life expectancy and other measurable health criteria of the physique athletes vs. the general public?

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Fantastic question. I DO NOT have those studies in hand but have no doubt they exist. I would assume that there is a very noticeable health difference only b/c every doctor I have ever had has tested me through the roof and regales me with how "healthy" I am overall and states that they wish more lived like me. I am not currently doing a fitness show but live the lifestyle.

I'd just think more along the lines of living like an athlete vs just a physique athlete. And I even go as far as saying that even if one carries a little fat weight, IF they have a lot of muscle mass over all (a power lifter for instance) they are also VERY healthy to a point. Hell, I argue that while steroid use is not optimal for overall health and well being, some use is actually beneficial (Low T for instance from a real doctor-to me its really the same thing but an actual prescription and not potentially some Chinese crap you get in a paper bag behind a gym that might kill you and is controlled where you test levels aren't way over the top). But even then, is it healthier to be an overweight to obese couch potato or a steroid using body builder if they are reasonable about their use of the extra test? That's a study I am interested in. As people die from too much test and the effects it can have but also, when body builder do die, was it actually the overuse of steroids that killed them, being just WAY too big for the heart that they have or some other combination of drug that they are abusing or all the above. Still, it is much rarer for body builder to die than for overweight and obese people to die. I personally don't honestly know a competitive body builder or strength athlete that has died.

In the end, just getting very active, eating with planning and control and being very consistent with it will increase one's chances for long life and great health. On that point medical community totally agrees. I just feel that it's even better when you make it more intense and focused. If nothing more than to just keep one interested and coming back for more.

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Capitol Ag said:

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FlyRod said:

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We have enough data now on Covid as an inflammatory disease, and obesity increases inflammation within the body.

I would be very curious to see any data on whether anti-inflammation diets (and no i am not a vegetarian/vegan, nor am I pushing that!) have any impact on Covid susceptibility or outcomes.

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IMO, eatingclean (balanced healthy meal with meat, low carb and some raw or steamed veggies) is an anti-inflammation diet. But it's strict as hell and many just can't get past the fact that butter, cream or sugar isn't part of it, b/c "taste". Yet it's what physique athletes have done for years to stay super lean yet increase muscle during stretches between shows. Eating "clean" has to have an amazing impact on a person's health. If combined with intense exercise the results are almost 100% positive. That's why I never advocated a "cleanse" as if one just is strict about their everyday diet (with a cheat meal once a week) there's most likely no need. Again, the media never covers what clean really means. The best thing for most people is to follow a competitive body builder or physique athlete. Given how many are on social media, it's easy to do. Most actually eat some of the most sensible meals and most are actually the definition of healthy. They tend to get a bad rap of being unhealthy but that tends to be only a small few. The biggest issue I run into are overweight people (or even healthy weight people wanting to shed body fat %) who "think" they eat healthy or clean. Then I show them my daily meals and it's like, wow! And no, Panda Express isn't "clean" lol. Neither is Chick Filet.

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I'm a huge advocate of meal prepping. I'll make an entire weeks worth of lunch and dinners at a time. Gwnerally chicken breast, black beans or brown rice and vegetables, almost always with a red sauce made with nothing but tomato paste and seasonings so that the meals aren't dry. I've made so many of them I don't even need to weigh the food anymore to know what I'm getting with each one.

I'm kind of weird though because I can and do eat the same thing every day and I don't get sick of it. Like I've eaten this meal almost daily for nearly 3 years not sick of it.

It is super easy to do and you can switch it up but it really helps to alleviate cheat temptations and helps you really track your macros. You can easily change the macros by adding or subtracting meat/carbs to get your desired splits. It is really a great system.

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I'm like you. I actually prefer the "boring" meals and the same thing as at least I know what I am getting. I do think that you condition your mind to it over time. Many think that they could never just eat the same thing every day so they do not try to meal prep or tried it and got "sick" of the same meal for a number of days. But I feel if they just push through this sticking point, their mind and pallet will adjust and they won't have nearly as hard of a time with it. Most won't though and will quit and go back on their regular fast food diet.

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I do the meal prep thing. Mainly grilling a bunch of lean protein on Sunday evening. Veggies vary. Rice is rare. Pasta & bread even more so. Some folks tell you to avoid fruits but I've found that a lot of raw fruits satisfy the sweet tooth and I feel better eating them.

But, the Mrs. is one of those who gets sick of the boring meals so we spend a lot of money for her to buy a variety of meals from Snap Kitchen. It works for her.

I find that portion control is the biggest factor of all. You can enjoy food and indulge on occasion, but limit portions. My wife and I have lived by it and seem to have instilled it in our kids

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I find that portion control is the biggest factor of all. You can enjoy food and indulge on occasion, but limit portions. My wife and I have lived by it and seem to have instilled it in our kids

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Depends on your goals. Portion control is very big to ensure not over consuming, but if your goal is very low body fat and very high muscle mass, then the margin of error become much more thin as at that point the type of macro is VERY important. Calories are calories. Think of them as taking up space and there's only so much space. If just not being overweight is the goal, there is a greater margin. More room to have certain things relatively regularly. Like eating a donut outside of a cheat meal. But the more focused one is on maximizing aesthetic appearance, the more that principle doesn't work. And I am not talking about physique athletes only. The client who wants to have 12-17% BF b/c she wants to look great in her bikini for a trip will have to have a lot more control over what type of calories she consumes than a person happy with where they are and are just maintaining a certain weight level or range.

Some would even argue that they personally can't do portion control on certain foods as they just can't stop themselves when the damn breaks, so to speak. Half a donut might be fine for some. Others get that taste and they are obsessed the rest of the day with wanting more or they just straight up break down and smash the whole box. So knowing yourself is really big here.

Our government's view on food which has predisposed many into the shape they're currently in, which has compromised their outlook with regards to this plague.