Forced to take the Vaccine or Lose my Livelihood - which Vaccine do you take?

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AggiEE
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3:32p, 10/9/21
For context, I'm in my 30s, less than 15% body fat, workout 5 days a week in a crowded gym with no mask, and have done so essentially since the start of the Coronavirus. My nutrition is healthy, natural, and devoid of toxic processed garbage containing rancid seed oils that are highly linked to metabolic dysfunction.

I find the mandates absurd, but I have learned that all employees that don't vaccine soon will be terminated at my company, including those that work fully remotely (which I have).

I feel comfortable with my risks of COVID and a sibling around the same age contracted it and wasn't even aware (only found out due to a mandated test). However, I am not comfortable with the forced risk of a vaccine that could result in prolonged heart issues, inflammation, and chronic pain.

Sure the risk is remote, but why would I be forced to take it when my personal COVID risk is so low? Well now I am having to choose the vaccine or lose my job and find another one (difficult to do in such a specialized field without potentially relocating), and there's no guarantee that finding another job won't have the same vaccine requirements. I think the mandate is completely anti-american and drives us further into an Orwellian future that I am frankly very scared of as it is not based upon science and data but purely political control.

So all that aside, I do not care about which vaccine is the most effective. I only care about one which is least likely to cause harm. Is that Pfizer, Moderna? J&J? I've heard Moderna is most potent, but Pfizer is linked to heart issues, and J&J has clotting problems.
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Ol_Ag_02
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3:46p, 10/9/21
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I feel your pain man. I have nothing to add other than what people are forcing you to do is wrong, anti-american, immoral, and self serving.
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4:14p, 10/9/21
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JJ clotting issues is like 7 in a million or something like that and I think only women aged 20-40ish when the news came out.

It's a one dose vaccine. That would be my choice.
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4:14p, 10/9/21
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I have friends in similar quandaries that decided on just the one shot J&J simply because it's a shorter time period to get them back in their offices. They'll deal with having to get the eventual required boosters, later.
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In reply to AggiEE • 4:22p, 10/9/21
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Do you work for the government or a private company making a choice of its own?
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In reply to bay fan • 4:25p, 10/9/21
bay fan said:
Do you work for the government or a private company making a choice of its own?
A large public company that does some of its business with the federal government
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In reply to AggiEE • 5:02p, 10/9/21
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AggiEE said:
bay fan said:
Do you work for the government or a private company making a choice of its own?
A large public company that does some of its business with the federal government


Will they take a religious exemption? I can send you lots of resources on that, if you need it.

Otherwise, J&J would be my choice. I'd take a baby aspirin for 6 months or so afterwards.
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5:02p, 10/9/21
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Just say no to mRNA. I'm almost exactly you and I've traveled like 5 times through this. If forced I'd do J&J, but really want novovax. Too bad they are so slow to get it out. Can you do a religious exemption?
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5:06p, 10/9/21
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Try for an exemption if for no other reason than to make them work for it.
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In reply to 01agtx • 5:08p, 10/9/21
01agtx said:
AggiEE said:
bay fan said:
Do you work for the government or a private company making a choice of its own?
A large public company that does some of its business with the federal government


Will they take a religious exemption? I can send you lots of resources on that, if you need it.

Otherwise, J&J would be my choice. I'd take a baby aspirin for 6 months or so afterwards.

I believe they will but I've heard it seems very difficult to attain the exemption but I could be misinformed with that. I definitely need to look into it further. Would appreciate whatever info you have
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5:14p, 10/9/21
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I hate this kind of stuff. I got the vaccine because I am at risk. It was my choice to get it. Anyone being forced to accept the risks just to provide is absolutely wrong - very anti-american. I say get a vaccine card forged and tell them you are a good boy.
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5:23p, 10/9/21
What's the rationale behind religious exemption? What churches are promoting it and what does the vaccine contain that would need the exemption?
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In reply to Tim The Toolman • 5:31p, 10/9/21
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Tim The Toolman said:
What's the rationale behind religious exemption? What churches are promoting it and what does the vaccine contain that would need the exemption?


The church of "none of anyone's damn business why someone doesn't want a shot".
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In reply to AggiEE • 5:40p, 10/9/21
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AggiEE said:
01agtx said:
AggiEE said:
bay fan said:
Do you work for the government or a private company making a choice of its own?
A large public company that does some of its business with the federal government


Will they take a religious exemption? I can send you lots of resources on that, if you need it.

Otherwise, J&J would be my choice. I'd take a baby aspirin for 6 months or so afterwards.

I believe they will but I've heard it seems very difficult to attain the exemption but I could be misinformed with that. I definitely need to look into it further. Would appreciate whatever info you have


Are you able to PM?
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In reply to 01agtx • 6:01p, 10/9/21
01agtx said:
AggiEE said:
01agtx said:
AggiEE said:
bay fan said:
Do you work for the government or a private company making a choice of its own?
A large public company that does some of its business with the federal government


Will they take a religious exemption? I can send you lots of resources on that, if you need it.

Otherwise, J&J would be my choice. I'd take a baby aspirin for 6 months or so afterwards.

I believe they will but I've heard it seems very difficult to attain the exemption but I could be misinformed with that. I definitely need to look into it further. Would appreciate whatever info you have


Are you able to PM?

I just have a free account unfortunately. Any other way to send some links? If not I can just wait to see what my company's policy is for the religious exemption, I don't think they've announced the full details yet
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6:20p, 10/9/21
J&J. Simple one shot, less side effects. I got mine in April. I chose it because I'm low risk and wanted to be done quickly.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 7:53p, 10/9/21
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Tim The Toolman said:
What's the rationale behind religious exemption? What churches are promoting it and what does the vaccine contain that would need the exemption?


The church of "none of anyone's damn business why someone doesn't want a shot".


So since it's no one's business that means you should be able to be let go from your job, right? You actually have to be able to prove a religious exemption so if you're not willing to do it, then the religious exemption doesn't apply.
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In reply to Tim The Toolman • 8:15p, 10/9/21
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Tim The Toolman said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Tim The Toolman said:
What's the rationale behind religious exemption? What churches are promoting it and what does the vaccine contain that would need the exemption?


The church of "none of anyone's damn business why someone doesn't want a shot".


So since it's no one's business that means you should be able to be let go from your job, right? You actually have to be able to prove a religious exemption so if you're not willing to do it, then the religious exemption doesn't apply.


Does controlling what other grown-ups are allowed to do bring you that much joy? What a sad existence.
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8:57p, 10/9/21
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There are other options. I'll leave it at that.
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In reply to Ol_Ag_02 • 9:39p, 10/9/21
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Tim The Toolman said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Tim The Toolman said:
What's the rationale behind religious exemption? What churches are promoting it and what does the vaccine contain that would need the exemption?


The church of "none of anyone's damn business why someone doesn't want a shot".


So since it's no one's business that means you should be able to be let go from your job, right? You actually have to be able to prove a religious exemption so if you're not willing to do it, then the religious exemption doesn't apply.


Does controlling what other grown-ups are allowed to do bring you that much joy? What a sad existence.


We have laws and policies in place that limit what "grown-ups" can do, or are you okay with people killing other people because it's "control of other people"? Do you follow rules on how to drive or is that too controlling for you?

Again back to the original question - where's the religious rationale behind not getting a vaccine?

I'm sure you'll deflect again because you don't have an argument.
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In reply to Tim The Toolman • 9:58p, 10/9/21
Tim The Toolman said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Tim The Toolman said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Tim The Toolman said:
What's the rationale behind religious exemption? What churches are promoting it and what does the vaccine contain that would need the exemption?


The church of "none of anyone's damn business why someone doesn't want a shot".


So since it's no one's business that means you should be able to be let go from your job, right? You actually have to be able to prove a religious exemption so if you're not willing to do it, then the religious exemption doesn't apply.


Does controlling what other grown-ups are allowed to do bring you that much joy? What a sad existence.


We have laws and policies in place that limit what "grown-ups" can do, or are you okay with people killing other people because it's "control of other people"? Do you follow rules on how to drive or is that too controlling for you?

Again back to the original question - where's the religious rationale behind not getting a vaccine?

I'm sure you'll deflect again because you don't have an argument.


How is somebody killing someone else just because they decide to not get vaccinated?
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In reply to AggiEE • 8:17a, 10/10/21
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AggiEE said:
Tim The Toolman said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Tim The Toolman said:
Ol_Ag_02 said:
Tim The Toolman said:
What's the rationale behind religious exemption? What churches are promoting it and what does the vaccine contain that would need the exemption?


The church of "none of anyone's damn business why someone doesn't want a shot".


So since it's no one's business that means you should be able to be let go from your job, right? You actually have to be able to prove a religious exemption so if you're not willing to do it, then the religious exemption doesn't apply.


Does controlling what other grown-ups are allowed to do bring you that much joy? What a sad existence.


We have laws and policies in place that limit what "grown-ups" can do, or are you okay with people killing other people because it's "control of other people"? Do you follow rules on how to drive or is that too controlling for you?

Again back to the original question - where's the religious rationale behind not getting a vaccine?

I'm sure you'll deflect again because you don't have an argument.


How is somebody killing someone else just because they decide to not get vaccinated?


It's ridiculous to mandate, ultra ridiculous for a WAH employee.

I was in a similar situation OP and got j&j.

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8:26a, 10/10/21
Sorry to hear about your situation...tyranny of any kind is evil. Same situation for me, got the J&J, continue to take baby aspirin, vitamin D and zinc daily/
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8:42a, 10/10/21
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Got Moderna. Been happy with the choice given Delta but I travel multiple times a month.

J&J isn't the most efficacious for actually preventing but if you don't care about that then it's the one and done.
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4:02p, 10/10/21
All Americans should automatically be religiously exempt from forced communion to the state-sponsored Church of the Immaculate Injection.
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In reply to nhamp07 • 4:38p, 10/10/21
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nhamp07 said:
JJ clotting issues is like 7 in a million or something like that and I think only women aged 20-40ish when the news came out.

It's a one dose vaccine. That would be my choice.


I did J&J because the MSM and CDC claimed it was the least safe and least effective of major vaccines. So figured it was clearly the best.

Its also the traditional vector based delivery using the common cold virus, and one dose. I took it in afternoon and woke up next morning with chills, minor fever and headache. Fever broke after few hours, headache lasted a bit longer. Back to 100% after 48hrs.

I cleared COVID 15 months before getting vaccinated. Glad I waited as long as possible.
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5:21p, 10/10/21
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I did Pfizer. Forced to for work. Even though already had covid July 2020. Earned antibodies the hard way, before vaccines.

Had absolutely no reaction to either shot. Other than a sore arms. First antibody test after first shot showed negligible change in antibodies do spike protein.

I took Pfizer because it was smallest dose of the juice and least problematic with conscience. Still wish I could have waited for other options to be developed.
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6:34p, 10/10/21
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How much are your principles worth to you? Is there a line in the sand you won't cross?
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Not sure honestly, but it seems like there's rumors of a bunch of people leaving around the office from what I heard last week.

For the record, we are facing a huge labor shortage. Doesn't seem like the smartest idea to start making mandates not based on any sort of science/data during a pandemic and labor shortage.
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In reply to AggiEE • 8:18p, 10/10/21
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AggiEE said:
Not sure honestly, but it seems like there's rumors of a bunch of people leaving around the office from what I heard last week.

For the record, we are facing a huge labor shortage. Doesn't seem like the smartest idea to start making mandates not based on any sort of science/data during a pandemic and labor shortage.


Very few decisions made as part of this pandemic and vaccine rollout have been smart ideas.

My company is not requiring a vaccine at this point. I doubt this OSHA crap being shoved down our throats, ever comes to fruition.
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In reply to AggiEE • 8:54p, 10/10/21
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I'm vaccinated myself, but I have serious reservations about forcing my coworkers who don't want it to choose between it and their job. My company hasn't decided which way to go yet, but if they decide to fold to the feds abs enough people push back I would consider walking out with them in protest.
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In reply to Philip J Fry • 9:59p, 10/10/21
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Philip J Fry said:
I'm vaccinated myself, but I have serious reservations about forcing my coworkers who don't want it to choose between it and their job. My company hasn't decided which way to go yet, but if they decide to fold to the feds abs enough people push back I would consider walking out with them in protest.


Same. If my company requires the vaccine. I'll walk even though I've got the leaky vaccine.

Where do we draw the line. Double vaxxed is fine, and you can keep yourself job. Six months later, the dictator in charge decides if you want to work you just have a booster shot. Six more months later, it's time for your second booster if you want to keep your job.

I'm not taking a booster, ever. And I'm willing to quit if they force the mandate on us.
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In reply to Tim The Toolman • 10:23p, 10/10/21
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Again back to the original question - where's the religious rationale behind not getting a vaccine?

I have two religious objections to the currently available mRNA and viral vector based vaccines:

  • Transhumanist Technology - All of the approved Covid vaccines involve bypassing natural cell protections and inserting human engineered genetic code into cells to synthesize a human designed protein. Using a computer analogy, this is akin to rooting a device and inserting third party instructions to bypass normal system functions. I believe my body is a temple created by God and it shouldn't be defiled or corrupted, even temporarily.
  • Benefiting from Infanticide - The J&J vaccine contains cell lines from an aborted pre-born child and the Pfizer vaccines used aborted pre-born child tissue in the laboratory testing of the vaccine. I have strong religious convictions against infanticide and I refuse to derive any benefit from it.
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7:57p, 10/11/21
Will be interesting to see how this plays out now with the Abbott executive order...
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