Natural immunity is more protective and lasts longer than the vaccine so I don't see any advantage. I hope your wife recovers quickly.

I've seen plenty of advantages to getting the vaccine, and have seen evidence that the vaccine provides stronger immunity than actually having had the virus.

This forum is a great resource except every thread is full of anti vaccine rhetoric. Sorry if I misunderstood your position.. it's just that I didn't ask if I should still get the second shot, yet that's the one point you choose to make.

You want to be well for most vaccinations. As long as she hasn't received antibody treatment, she can get her second shot anytime after she's feeling better.

Hope she's on the mend soon

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Natural immunity is more protective and lasts longer than the vaccine so I don't see any advantage. I hope your wife recovers quickly.

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Looks like this is being debunked every day. I know of two TA posters who have gotten Covid twice.

Would recommend getting the second shot roughly 5 to 8 weeks after her positive test. That should help create a more durable, longer lasting, immunity.

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I've seen plenty of advantages to getting the vaccine, and have seen evidence that the vaccine provides stronger immunity than actually having had the virus.

This forum is a great resource except every thread is full of anti vaccine rhetoric. Sorry if I misunderstood your position.. it's just that I didn't ask if I should still get the second shot, yet that's the one point you choose to make.

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What advantages? The data seems pretty clear that natural immunity is superior.

I will say that the latest Israel data shows prior infection plus ONE shot has the most durability (and maybe longest lasting - don't know on time line). But Israel only recommends the previously infected get one shot because they care more about actual science that our rigid two for everyone approach.

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Skillet Shot said:

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Natural immunity is more protective and lasts longer than the vaccine so I don't see any advantage. I hope your wife recovers quickly.

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Looks like this is being debunked every day. I know of two TA posters who have gotten Covid twice.

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Ha. Clearly debunked by anecdotal tallies.

The data is pretty clear on this. All statuses are capable of getting covid. But statistically the least likely to get it is the prior infected.

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Charpie said:

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Skillet Shot said:

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Natural immunity is more protective and lasts longer than the vaccine so I don't see any advantage. I hope your wife recovers quickly.

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Looks like this is being debunked every day. I know of two TA posters who have gotten Covid twice.

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Ha. Clearly debunked by anecdotal tallies.

The data is pretty clear on this. All statuses are capable of getting covid. But statistically the least likely to get it is the prior infected.

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Had Covid in January. Wife and 2 kids got it at the end of July early August. We all quarantined together and I was continuously exposed to them without taking any protective measures. Didn't catch anything that I know of. Tally one for natural immunity.

I would say at least 4 weeks since end of symptoms. Most people have symptoms for 10 days or less. They may have a residual post viral cough, or fatigue, but the virus has likely been cleared from the body. All that remains is a wake of inflammation from fighting it off that the body has to repair. I can explain more later this evening if no one else has by then.

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I've seen plenty of advantages to getting the vaccine, and have seen evidence that the vaccine provides stronger immunity than actually having had the virus.

This forum is a great resource except every thread is full of anti vaccine rhetoric. Sorry if I misunderstood your position.. it's just that I didn't ask if I should still get the second shot, yet that's the one point you choose to make.

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You want to know why there are threads full of anti vaccine rhetoric? It's because the lack of science driving decision making.

To say natural immunities offer less protection than an mimicked lab response is just asinine. It's not based in science at all.

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Natural immunity is more protective and lasts longer than the vaccine so I don't see any advantage. I hope your wife recovers quickly.

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Looks like this is being debunked every day. I know of two TA posters who have gotten Covid twice.

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OP: I had the vaccine and I tested positive.

F84: JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT THE VACCINES ARE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN NATURAL IMMUNITY!

Ok, so there's a lack of science.. then how/why are you choosing a side? The science that does exist recommends vaccinations.

This video explains why the vaccine after the infection is a good idea.

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Ok, so there's a lack of science.. then how/why are you choosing a side? The science that does exist recommends vaccinations.

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"The science" does recommend vaccination. Pretty much everything I've seen comparing immunity from prior infection to vaccination has shown prior infection to provide better protection. Your original claim was the opposite, not that vaccination is recommended.

Their very first point is laughable. Guess what? No one knows how long vaccination lasts either. The CDC frankly is not a reliable source of information on this subject. They have been trying to pretend that natural immunity doesn't exist the entire time.

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Natural immunity is more protective and lasts longer than the vaccine so I don't see any advantage. I hope your wife recovers quickly.

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Looks like this is being debunked every day. I know of two TA posters who have gotten Covid twice.

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Anecdotal and anti-scientific. This recent publication confirms natural immunity is superior. Also, look at Israel's data. Their cases are higher than any previous peak and they are one of the most vaccinated populations on the planet.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full

I know of a doctor that was vaccinated and then had covid twice. Our local priest had covid, was vaccinated and then got covid again. Outliers happen.

When exposed to the virus, your body fights off the complete viral structure consisting of over 20 proteins. The vaccine only exposes you to the spike protein, which is the protein that causes the most damage. And it appears to be successful in mitigating severe covid and death. But you are much more likely to be able to fight off a variant after recovering from the complete viral structure as opposed to a single spike protein that has mutated into multiple strains.

And right on cue, skillet and GAC jump in, discredit sources, and just have to disagree like they know all the answers. Do you expect to change people's minds? Why are you doing this?

Your opinions are well documented by posts here and on the politics board. Let it go guys. As I said, anyone can find a source to support their bias... None of us are going to sway anyone.

I appreciate those who've helped me with the information I was seeking (which I sought based on mine and mine families choices).

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And right on cue, skillet and GAC jump in, discredit sources, and just have to disagree like they know all the answers. Do you expect to change people's minds? Why are you doing this?

Your opinions are well documented by posts here and on the politics board. Let it go guys. As I said, anyone can find a source to support their bias... None of us are going to sway anyone.

I appreciate those who've helped me with the information I was seeking (which I sought based on mine and mine families choices).

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I believe the vaccines work extremely well at reducing risk and hospitalizations. And strongly believe they are a great option for many people, especially those at high risk.

I don't think I'm the caricature "anti-vax" heretic you think I am.

I just have a nuanced opinion and believe that natural immunity is just as if not more effective than vaccination, especially against variants. I also believe there are a host of treatments available to reduce hospitalizations that can be used in conjuncture with the vaccine. I think everyone should evaluate the data and make the best decision for themselves and their family.

Not trying to be a dick, I genuinely hope your wife recovers quickly.

She is getting her second shot right now. I really don't understand the obsession with the vaccine after being infected.

Your wife is currently infected with COVID. What exactly are you expecting to accomplish with the second vaccine shot?

Apparently because I've chosen to follow the advice of those who say it is a good idea.

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Apparently because I've chosen to follow the advice of those who say it is a good idea.

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She is sick right now and building antibodies to fight off the virus. What do you think the vaccine does exactly?

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Apparently because I've chosen to follow the advice of those who say it is a good idea.

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She is sick right now and building antibodies to fight off the virus. What do you think the vaccine does exactly?

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I'm not anything remotely resembling a scientist, so I don't "think" anything. I wouldn't know what to"think" if I read every study and medical journal. I simply choose to believe the sources that suggest there is added benefit to taking the vaccine even if you've already had covid.

Maybe I'll grow that extra limb some day and live to regret it.

From the study the CDC cited:

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First, reinfection was not confirmed through whole genome sequencing, which would be necessary to definitively prove that the reinfection was caused from a distinct virus relative to the first infection. Although in some cases the repeat positive test could be indicative of prolonged viral shedding or failure to clear the initial viral infection (9), given the time between initial and subsequent positive molecular tests among participants in this study, reinfection is the most likely explanation. Second, persons who have been vaccinated are possibly less likely to get tested. Therefore, the association of reinfection and lack of vaccination might be overestimated. Third, vaccine doses administered at federal or out-of-state sites are not typically entered in KYIR, so vaccination data are possibly missing for some persons in these analyses. In addition, inconsistencies in name and date of birth between KYIR and NEDSS might limit ability to match the two databases. Because case investigations include questions regarding vaccination, and KYIR might be updated during the case investigation process, vaccination data might be more likely to be missing for controls. Thus, the OR might be even more favorable for vaccination. Fourth, although case-patients and controls were matched based on age, sex, and date of initial infection, other unknown confounders might be present. Finally, this is a retrospective study design using data from a single state during a 2-month period; therefore, these findings cannot be used to infer causation. Additional prospective studies with larger populations are warranted to support these findings.

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All of the studies I have seen rule out any reinfections that occur under a predetermined interval (several use 90 days) to avoid the possibility of a false positive from lingering/prolonged viral shedding.

The number of people used in this study is 284 people (I think)... Several studies exist (Denmark, Ohio, Israel) with over 10,000 each and the Israeli one has 150,000 people.

I am not here to pick a fight or argue with anyone but I am here to review the data about reinfection. Most of that data continues to indicate long-term, durable immunity is awarded to those of us that have had previous infection.

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And right on cue, skillet and GAC jump in, discredit sources, and just have to disagree like they know all the answers. Do you expect to change people's minds? Why are you doing this?

Your opinions are well documented by posts here and on the politics board. Let it go guys. As I said, anyone can find a source to support their bias... None of us are going to sway anyone.

I appreciate those who've helped me with the information I was seeking (which I sought based on mine and mine families choices).

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I guess I missed the memo that only you are allowed to opine here. Good Lord.

There are some problems with the studies coming out of Israel. I mean, let me rephrase that - all studies have weaknesses, and so we should be aware of those weakness and limitations. Those limitations are against generalization of the findings. That being said, I think it is clear that people who have recovered from covid are protected from reinfection, and that this protection works on multiple variants.

Here are some of the weaknesses of the way the studies in Israel are being done - particularly the big one that made a splash the other day.

- It has survivorship bias. The two "sides" are unbalanced with respect to comorbidities. You can't get covid twice if you die from it the first time.
- So because of that, an important group of people aren't able to be included in the very thing you're studying
- Testing was done on a voluntary basis, so there's some potential for bias due to people presenting for healthcare
- The previously infected group's incidence per 100k changes in the study, which means the group isn't the same in each analysis

If you want to kinda geek out, this paper talks about some of the challenges with these large observational studies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19478-2

Another data point, which has a much more rigorous design, gives a very different picture. However, it does not match people for timing of infection and vaccination, so that's a significant limitation, too.
https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/covid-19/covid-19-infection-survey/results/new-studies

I think the question about them is mostly one of an academic nature, with no real practical application. And to some extent I think the debate is actually a societal risk, because people hearing that recovery produces stronger immunity may wind up with the mistaken notion that it is preferable to get the disease rather than be vaccinated.

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To say natural immunities offer less protection than an mimicked lab response is just asinine. It's not based in science at all.

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The vaccine doesn't produce a lab response, it uses your immune system. It presents an antigen that is functionally identical to the spike protein on the virus for your immune system to respond to.

Several vaccines we have promote super-human immune responses, they do better than actual infection. What's asinine is assuming that this is not a possibility.