Japanese report on African Ivermectin use

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AggieKatie2 said:
ETX is honestly starting to scare me a bit as someone who may be trigger happy.
Jabin
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

Ivermectin is fascinating to this layperson in terms of the scientific study of its effectiveness. The more I see and read, the more muddled the picture becomes.

It also makes one rethink scientific conclusions that are reached on less controversial subjects. Often times, the conclusion will be based on only a single study or possibly two. It seems that that is far from sufficient. It makes one wonder how much we know is true is actually true.
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Idiotic logic. People who believe this **** should be sent to the DRC for health care.

The counties are talking about have such bad public health that the gov't is sending out a de-wormer once a year. They don't have COVID deaths, because they don't have a modern health care system. Looking at the same numbers dude is referring to, you will see they have tested less than 2% of their population. Whereas most western countries have tested enough to cover everyone twice over, Denmark has tested 13x their population.

Braizil made HCQ, and Ivermectin widely available too. But they have the unfortunate luck to have a populace that actually has occasional access to health care, so on paper their numbers are "worse" than the Sudan.
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The questions with Ivermectin prove my point that science is highly politicized. There are several "scientific studies" which purport to show Ivermectin an reduce the effects of Covid. There are others that show the opposite. Same with HCQ. Same with Remdesivir. Same with venting. Same with masking. Same with lockdowns.

Combine that with ever-changing narratives pushed by governmental agencies under the guise of "science" and it is no wonder people don't trust government proclamations regarding masking, vaccines, and virus spread.

Don't wear a mask changed to wear a mask indoors and outdoors, changed to wear two masks, changed to cloth masks work, changed to don't wear a mask if you are vaccinated, changed to wear a mask if you are vaccinated, etc...

Vaccines went from "they will protect you" to "they will protect you until there is a new variant", to "get a booster in 8 months", to "get a booster in 6 months", to "you can carry more virus vaccinated than unvaccinated", etc ...

This is why everyone just finds what confirms their own bias.
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It's fascinating. That's the 5th time I've seen that posted on Texags today. All reporting it as news.

That was from February.

https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOFB25AAL0V20C21A1000000/
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Nah. The average person can't distinguish high quality evidence or studies or info from low, outside of their field. So you get a lot of garbage studies being held higher in regard than they should.
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Jabin said:

It also makes one rethink scientific conclusions that are reached on less controversial subjects. Often times, the conclusion will be based on only a single study or possibly two. It seems that that is far from sufficient. It makes one wonder how much we know is true is actually true.
Richard Feynman talked about this in talking about psychology.

If I remember correctly, he described a student who wanted to conduct a more rigorous study on some issue by trying to limit outside variables that could affect the results but his prof considered the issue settled since someone else had already published their results.

Fortunately, in most science, research tends to get repeated.
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NicosMachine said:



This is why everyone just finds what confirms their own bias.

Perhaps a discussion with an actual doctor (ideally your own even) might be helpful in separating the wheat from the chaff? Terribly old fashioned I know.
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Wakesurfer817 said:

NicosMachine said:



This is why everyone just finds what confirms their own bias.

Perhaps a discussion with an actual doctor (ideally your own even) might be helpful in separating the wheat from the chaff? Terribly old fashioned I know.

That's not necessarily a plausible scenario, either. With the time pressures that doctors now face, it is impossible to have a "discussion" with them. My own doctor is more than willing to tell me his opinions as fact, but is not willing to take the time to discuss.
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Quote:

Fortunately, in most science, research tends to get repeated.
I'm not sure that's necessarily correct, particularly in areas that are not so controversial or in areas where anything other than a particular position finds difficulty in obtaining funding to do the research.
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Zobel said:

It's fascinating. That's the 5th time I've seen that posted on Texags today. All reporting it as news.

That was from February.

https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXZQOFB25AAL0V20C21A1000000/
Youtube channel is new called ""Truth on Toast""

google "Truth on Toast" filter by last 24 hours and you will see where these people get their news.
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Also hilariously stupid is the ivermectin discussed in the video is a once a year pill. So according to this guy, COVID can be prevented by a ivermectin pill that on average was taken orally 6 months ago, because that is how science works.
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NicosMachine said:


Combine that with ever-changing narratives pushed by governmental agencies under the guise of "science" and it is no wonder people don't trust government proclamations regarding masking, vaccines, and virus spread.
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I'm curious if you'd prefer to remain in the dark until the "science" is settled?
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texan12
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Here's another angle on ivermectin Covid doesn't effect most people who show symptoms so when they take ivermectin they feel better by coincidence. Not because it is a ubiquitous miracle drug that works, but because most people can fight off covid with some R&R.
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Looks like the Chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association has lost all credibility, and Japanese science/medicine has reached third world levels.
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traxter said:

NicosMachine said:


Combine that with ever-changing narratives pushed by governmental agencies under the guise of "science" and it is no wonder people don't trust government proclamations regarding masking, vaccines, and virus spread.
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I'm curious if you'd prefer to remain in the dark until the "science" is settled?
Would you like a shipment of leaches?
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texan12 said:

Here's another angle on ivermectin Covid doesn't effect most people who show symptoms so when they take ivermectin they feel better by coincidence. Not because it is a ubiquitous miracle drug that works, but because most people can fight off covid with some R&R.
Shhhhh this is a secret
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eric76 said:

traxter said:

NicosMachine said:


Combine that with ever-changing narratives pushed by governmental agencies under the guise of "science" and it is no wonder people don't trust government proclamations regarding masking, vaccines, and virus spread.
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I'm curious if you'd prefer to remain in the dark until the "science" is settled?
Would you like a shipment of leaches?

Depends on why you're using them. You are aware that they are still used in modern medicine, right?

https://www.uhhospitals.org/Healthy-at-UH/articles/2020/03/how-leeches-can-save-lives-and-limbs-for-some-patients
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samurai_science
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Unlike the vaccine, this study was legit

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612
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samurai_texan said:

Unlike the vaccine, this study was legit

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612
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samurai_texan said:

Unlike the vaccine, this study was legit

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612
Comment about the vaccine is your opinion. But your link does have some actual science compare to the OP.


The OP link claims that COVID is cured in Africa because some people take one ivermectin pill a year.


Your link talks about a small double blind study (not peered reviewed) where all the participants live, but on most days the Ivermectin group numbers looked a bit better and they tested negative quicker. A result other double blind studies have not reproduced.
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Another Doug said:

samurai_texan said:

Unlike the vaccine, this study was legit

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612
Comment about the vaccine is your opinion. But your link does have some actual science compare to the OP.


The OP link claims that COVID is cured in Africa because some people take one ivermectin pill a year.


Your link talks about a small double blind study (not peered reviewed) where all the participants live, but on most days the Ivermectin group numbers looked a bit better and they tested negative quicker. A result other double blind studies have not reproduced.


You know how I know you didn't watch the video?
“A republic, if you can keep it”

AggieKatie2 said:
ETX is honestly starting to scare me a bit as someone who may be trigger happy.
gunan01
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Another Doug said:

samurai_texan said:

Unlike the vaccine, this study was legit

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612
Comment about the vaccine is your opinion. But your link does have some actual science compare to the OP.


The OP link claims that COVID is cured in Africa because some people take one ivermectin pill a year.


Your link talks about a small double blind study (not peered reviewed) where all the participants live, but on most days the Ivermectin group numbers looked a bit better and they tested negative quicker. A result other double blind studies have not reproduced.
This is well put, but undoubtedly lost on the horse-pill chugging anti-vaxxers
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AggieLostinDallas said:

Another Doug said:

samurai_texan said:

Unlike the vaccine, this study was legit

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612
Comment about the vaccine is your opinion. But your link does have some actual science compare to the OP.


The OP link claims that COVID is cured in Africa because some people take one ivermectin pill a year.


Your link talks about a small double blind study (not peered reviewed) where all the participants live, but on most days the Ivermectin group numbers looked a bit better and they tested negative quicker. A result other double blind studies have not reproduced.


You know how I know you didn't watch the video?
I don't know, horse de-wormer gives you delusions of ESP?

But, I did watch it.
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Another Doug said:

I don't know, horse de-wormer gives you delusions of ESP?

But, I did watch it.
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