Isn't that the point of the vaccine, to lessen symptoms and make it where you don't have to go to the hospital?

95% of serious cases are unvaccinated. That's all that really matters.

it's absolutely ridiculous that we don't have real time data about hospitalization based on vaccination status

I see 99% figures repeated but haven't seen a table or chart

These are facts they don't want you to know.

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Isn't that the point of the vaccine, to lessen symptoms and make it where you don't have to go to the hospital?

95% of serious cases are unvaccinated. That's all that really matters.

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It's certainly good news the vaccines are effective at preventing severe illness but the infection rate matters. If reducing symptoms is the point, it hurts the case for vaccine mandates for healthy people since they already are very unlikely to have severe symptoms. The vaccines were largely sold as a means to end the pandemic, not for individuals to prevent severe symptoms.

A KidDoc quote that applies in this thread:

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The virus changed (Delta variant)- the data changed. This was not just a random narrative shift. It is how science is supposed to work.

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it's absolutely ridiculous that we don't have real time data about hospitalization based on vaccination status

I see 99% figures repeated but haven't seen a table or chart

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Here ya go Cone, not every state reports it though:

COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States | KFF

8x less likely to get infected. 25x less likely for hospitalization and death. The vaccines are truly incredible with how robust and effective they are.

Iceland article direct quote:

"Reykjavk hospital data reveals infections remain proportionately far higher among the unvaccinated. But vaccination only offers moderate resistance to contracting the disease.

The big difference, however, is in the severity of the symptoms.
Previous outbreaks of non-Delta variants among much lower vaccination rates claimed 29 Icelandic lives. The latest outbreak despite its size has so far claimed none."

My qualms are not against a vaccine or a virus. You cite whatever you want but you'll never get past the fact that this vaccine was sold first to be effective, then they moved to "it's still effective because you won't get too sick or die", we were also told that the vaccinated would not have to wear masks and were told that with a vaccine, you can enjoy access to things that unvaccinated cannot. Those last two vanished like a fart in the wind. No amount of studies are going to change that. Now, whether it was intentional or just a failed PR scam remains to be seen, but the facts are apparent.

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My qualms are not against a vaccine or a virus. You cite whatever you want but you'll never get past the fact that this vaccine was sold first to be effective, then they moved to "it's still effective because you won't get too sick or die", we were also told that the vaccinated would not have to wear masks and were told that with a vaccine, you can enjoy access to things that unvaccinated cannot. Those last two vanished like a fart in the wind. No amount of studies are going to change that. Now, whether it was intentional or just a failed PR scam remains to be seen, but the facts are apparent.

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You are still willingly ignoring the fact that the virus changed. It is not a grand conspiracy it is a mutation, which is not surprising with Coronavirus. The remove the mask guidelines for vaccinated was based on the past strains of COVID for which the vaccines are amazingly effective. It is the mutation of the virus that caused the change in guidelines based on real time data, particularly from areas with very high vaccine coverage but very high spread of the delta variant specifically England and Israel.

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You cite whatever you want but you'll never get past the fact that this vaccine was sold first to be effective

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How about the original Pfizer phase 3 study from December 2020?

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A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19....The first primary end point was the efficacy of BNT162b2 against confirmed Covid-19 ... defined according to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) criteria as the presence of at least one of the following symptoms: fever, new or increased cough, new or increased shortness of breath, chills, new or increased muscle pain, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, diarrhea, or vomiting, combined with a respiratory specimen obtained during the symptomatic period or within 4 days before or after it that was positive for SARS-CoV-2...

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And the original Moderna phase 3 study from February 2021

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The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness...The primary end point was the efficacy of the mRNA-1273 vaccine in preventing a first occurrence of symptomatic Covid-19 ...defined as occurring in participants who had at least two of the following symptoms: fever (temperature 38C), chills, myalgia, headache, sore throat, or new olfactory or taste disorder, or as occurring in those who had at least one respiratory sign or symptom (including cough, shortness of breath, or clinical or radiographic evidence of pneumonia) and at least one nasopharyngeal swab, nasal swab, or saliva sample...that was positive for SARS-CoV-2...

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You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. What you're saying here is provably false.

I would be willing to bet that 99% of the non medical public never knew there was such a thing as coronavirus before 2020, much less that they tend to mutate (like pretty much all RNA virus).

Just like they don't know about Coxsackie virus, human metapneumovirus, rhinovirus, etc-- it isn't their job so you shouldn't expect the general public to know anything about it.

Just like I don't know how to fix my car, I take it to people with training and knowledge for that. But somehow many people have become infectious disease experts via Google and social media in 2020-21.

Robin Hood here just keeps insisting the CDC is putting out a coordinated effort to misinform and "move the goal posts". I am no CDC fan and they have been pretty bad especially in 2020 but this decision was based on hard data.

I'm definitely one of those 99%. I also understand Robin Hood's sentiment that we were misled somewhat. You can't act like the news is pure and holy. Just like your auto mechanic probably has duped you a few times all the while you were glad they checked your blinker fluid.

Dude, you must have trust issues. There are good sources of information. And there are honest auto mechanics!

Seemingly you also don't engage in proven facts, just keep repeating your beliefs which are not demonstrably correct.