Lowest Daily Cases USA - Since 3/27

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Punked Shank
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According https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html USA just had the lowest daily cases since 3/27. Exactly 2 months ago. This is despite massively ramped up testing. 15M tests and counting.

What day you board, does heat affect this thing? Georgia has been open over a month. Nearly every state has been relaxed since beginning of May.

Is this thing dying out? Herd immunity?
Fitch
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Solid news and good trend.

Social distancing working. People are aware of it now and modifying activities. NYC / NJ tapering off.

Herd immunity is a loooong way away.
Grapesoda2525
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I think the heat does help. Makes the droplets harder to spread with higher temperatures.
Complete Idiot
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I was asking similar questions here: https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3113402

Some feedback from others included. The thing I'd most like to believe is that more deadly or contagious streams are dying off (more deadly might make sense, but more contagious does not go with "dying off") or it's mutating into something less than it was. I guess I don't feel that is most likely, nor did the others responding. Seasonality seemed like one of the leading contributors to me, based on other coronavirus family behaviors, but I had read that seasonality tends to apply less to novel viruses (I don't know if I agree or get that).

Just glad things are staying manageable and the people who feel OK to do so are getting out and about and finding some familiar enjoyments in life.
KlinkerAg11
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I'm holding to the mutation theory as well.
DeangeloVickers
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Im really hoping for the path of dying off...article from February

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Scientists will probably soon find out. SARS and COVID-19 are like cousins, sharing 70% of their genetic material. Both are coronaviruses, a family of viruses that before 2003 had been known to cause only the common cold in humans.

Even if COVID-19 doesn't die out, it could wane so much that cases become extremely rare, or emerge only in the winter. Viruses tend to have seasonality, appearing for only a few months a year, so some hope warmer weather will make the virus recede.


https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-02-18/sars-coronavirus-china-epidemic
Pulmcrit_ag
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Without super spreader events this thing doesn't take off. Just small clusters. Awareness and social distancing hopefully will keep it this way. Just smolder along. But yeah herd immunity really really far away.
PJYoung
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There are plenty of reasons to be encouraged lately.

amercer
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A lot of people wearing masks probably slows the spread considerably
Complete Idiot
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amercer said:

A lot of people wearing masks probably slows the spread considerably
If a disease is proven to spread primarily through droplets emanating from the mouth of a sick person, then yes masks and distance from others would of course reduce the spread. I am not saying I know that is how Covid 19 is spread, but the use of masks and distancing makes sense to me as far as reducing, not eliminating, the spread of a disease.
beerad12man
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There are plenty of reasons I think the spread can be reducing. I'm not going to turn this into a mask/no mask debate, but when Texas hasn't been wearing masks for the majority of this and yet never had major outbreaks, I have a hard time believing that's near the top of the list:

1) Maybe heat helps. Or just in general, people doing outdoor activities which I've been pushing for a long time. COVID or no COVID, I wish things would trend this way for our overweight, sedentary society. But that's wishful thinking.

2) Maybe more and more of the public, even more so than we realize, are becoming immune. If the CDC is right, 40mm have had this thing assuming 100k deaths and a death rate of 0.26%. That's over 12% of the population. Now, some still have it, but let's assume 10% now immune. It stands to reason that when 1 out of every 10 have some immunity you'll start to slow the spread naturally. Even if it's ever so slowly at only 10%. Particularly when 20-25% have had it in NYC, our worst numbers in this. 10% isn't considerable, but can help some in theory. Get it to 20%, and it theoretically slows even more. Then even more at 30%.

3) Maybe the virus is weakening. Really hope this is the case.

4) Maybe people are becoming better at this social distancing thing. Or at least, we learned from our mistakes in what caused the super spreading. This seems to be spreading from workers in close proximity to each other, then bringing it home to their families. And/or, like all viruses, when exposed to someone for longer durations. Meat packing plants. Public transit. Workers bringing it home to families. etc. in general, this hasn't been a part of our lifestyle here in Texas where you are exposed to someone for longer durations. Maybe in some of the major cities downtown Dallas or Houston. But in general, not like the NE states.

5) Likely a big one. New York City's major f*** up skewed the data for the rest of the country considerably and now that this is coming down, our country's numbers on the whole are.

6) Maybe masks are helping some. But in states like Georgia, Florida, and Texas, we are the most likely to resist a mask, and it doesn't seem that we have needed it in doing so. Some areas are wearing them more, but the rate was already way down long before it became more prevalent. We all know where this disease is dangerous. Super spreading events. Public transit. Meat packing places and/or other jobs that require workers to be around each other for prolonged periods of time. It's probably wise to require masks at many of these places of work or where you cannot avoid being around people for prolonged periods of time. In general, trips to HEB don't seem to be causing any spread, or at least anything noticeable in the grand scheme of things. I've still yet to see where masks at HEB, or a public park or outdoor activity, or in general every day life activities are causing our superspreading events. Personally, I still don't think that's worth the tradeoff of seeing each others faces. Especially now that asymptomatic spread may not be anywhere near as bad as what was once thoughts. Masks in areas where there is potential for a major super spread? Probably a good idea.

Likely a combination of a few of the above.
KlinkerAg11
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I've also wondered if some people have a cross immunity.

If you have had a certain strain of corona virus before then maybe it doesn't hit you as hard.
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6) Maybe masks are helping some. But in states like Georgia, Florida, and Texas, we are the most likely to resist a mask, and it doesn't seem that we have needed it in doing so.

Actually, this may not be true according to this YouGov poll.

Texas and Florida are about USA average at mask wearing. Georgia is slightly above average.

GAC06
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Still a long way from herd immunity but as mentioned above, every little bit helps. Also, increased immunity in the right places helps more. Places like NYC and other dense urban areas that have been hit hard have the most potential to spread the virus and also have the most people with antibodies.
beerad12man
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Interesting. Wouldn't have necessarily thought that. But I don't see a correlation amongst the states in mask usage and case percentage. My point was, Texas isn't beating some other states because of mask usage. Like you said, at best we are around average.
Keegan99
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Speculation:

The virus is only lethal for a portion of the population. Even in the older cohort. It moves quickly through that group, in roughly a three month period. The fatalities plummet once that pool is depleted.
wxguy95
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My opinion is the warmer weather helps. The masks help. The social distancing efforts help. It is all little bits.

Summer colds and flu are relatively rare for a reason. While we really don't know for certain, it is plausible that this would apply to COVID.

Unfortunately, believing that means I think we will see a resurgence (at least in areas) this winter. How well we contain the hot spots will determine how bad it gets.
DCAggie13y
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Keegan99 said:

Speculation:

The virus is only lethal for a portion of the population. Even in the older cohort. It moves quickly through that group, in roughly a three month period. The fatalities plummet once that pool is depleted.


Your first 2 sentences are definitely true. On the last 2, I heard at least one epidemiologist make the same argument. Also something weird about all the hard hit areas peaking around 20% infected. Some new theories out there that maybe only 20% are even susceptible to infection.
KlinkerAg11
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I've had tinfoil hat theories before with this info.(I agree with it, it seems to be following that pattern)

I'll keep them to myself so this thread doesn't get moved.
DCAggie13y
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The person I heard talking about it was an Oxford professor of epidemiology so definitely not a tin foil conspiracy. You can see her discuss it below.

BQ_00
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beerad12man said:

There are plenty of reasons I think the spread can be reducing. I'm not going to turn this into a mask/no mask debate, but when Texas hasn't been wearing masks for the majority of this and yet never had major outbreaks, I have a hard time believing that's near the top of the list:

1) Maybe heat helps. Or just in general, people doing outdoor activities which I've been pushing for a long time. COVID or no COVID, I wish things would trend this way for our overweight, sedentary society. But that's wishful thinking.

2) Maybe more and more of the public, even more so than we realize, are becoming immune. If the CDC is right, 40mm have had this thing assuming 100k deaths and a death rate of 0.26%. That's over 12% of the population. Now, some still have it, but let's assume 10% now immune. It stands to reason that when 1 out of every 10 have some immunity you'll start to slow the spread naturally. Even if it's ever so slowly at only 10%. Particularly when 20-25% have had it in NYC, our worst numbers in this. 10% isn't considerable, but can help some in theory. Get it to 20%, and it theoretically slows even more. Then even more at 30%.

3) Maybe the virus is weakening. Really hope this is the case.

4) Maybe people are becoming better at this social distancing thing. Or at least, we learned from our mistakes in what caused the super spreading. This seems to be spreading from workers in close proximity to each other, then bringing it home to their families. And/or, like all viruses, when exposed to someone for longer durations. Meat packing plants. Public transit. Workers bringing it home to families. etc. in general, this hasn't been a part of our lifestyle here in Texas where you are exposed to someone for longer durations. Maybe in some of the major cities downtown Dallas or Houston. But in general, not like the NE states.

5) Likely a big one. New York City's major f*** up skewed the data for the rest of the country considerably and now that this is coming down, our country's numbers on the whole are.

6) Maybe masks are helping some. But in states like Georgia, Florida, and Texas, we are the most likely to resist a mask, and it doesn't seem that we have needed it in doing so. Some areas are wearing them more, but the rate was already way down long before it became more prevalent. We all know where this disease is dangerous. Super spreading events. Public transit. Meat packing places and/or other jobs that require workers to be around each other for prolonged periods of time. It's probably wise to require masks at many of these places of work or where you cannot avoid being around people for prolonged periods of time. In general, trips to HEB don't seem to be causing any spread, or at least anything noticeable in the grand scheme of things. I've still yet to see where masks at HEB, or a public park or outdoor activity, or in general every day life activities are causing our superspreading events. Personally, I still don't think that's worth the tradeoff of seeing each others faces. Especially now that asymptomatic spread may not be anywhere near as bad as what was once thoughts. Masks in areas where there is potential for a major super spread? Probably a good idea.

Likely a combination of a few of the above.


I would like to say that maybe we've done a better job of keeping this virus out of our nursing homes. Unfortunately, I think we are still having big issues there, and what's worse, as states are figuring this out they're being less transparent about the data coming out of these facilities. Phil Kerpen has done a great job of aggregating this information from several sources. It tells a pretty sad story of many states have over half of their deaths coming from these facilities. One example below.

lazuras_dc
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Maybe heat helps. Or just in general, people doing outdoor activities which I've been pushing for a long time


I dunno but in south Texas we usually congregate indoors during the summer and are outside in the winter
Keegan99
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Fantastic video. Thank you.
Capitol Ag
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beerad12man said:

Interesting. Wouldn't have necessarily thought that. But I don't see a correlation amongst the states in mask usage and case percentage. My point was, Texas isn't beating some other states because of mask usage. Like you said, at best we are around average.


While it's totally anecdotal, I'd say in the McKinney/Frisco/The Colony/Plano areas of TX plus a trip to Mineral Wells, it's been about 70% no mask/30% masked. Older folks are wearing them more than younger which I prefer as they are most "vulnerable". But it's by no means universal. People from Asia/India seem to have accepted the masks much better than others obviously as the usage in Asia has been prevalent for some time. But if they are 3rd or more gen Americans, not as much, in my very small experience. A lot less 20-40s are wearing them for sure. I will say that my wife is pretty good about it and my neighbor is too (she actually is a huge proponent and her husband and I are more "resistant" but he works on medical equipment so wears them to potentially protect patients he may come to contact with). So the fact that TX spread was much lower seems to be much more connected to the other factors like less public transportation, less long term exposure, more heat,more outdoors etc
DadHammer
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In Houston mask use is pretty high where I go. Masks have to help lower the spread since it is passed by droplets from the sick person. No big deal to me. Wear one don't wear one up to you. But I believe the workplace can mandate it if they wish.
beerad12man
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It's cities. I live in Williamson county. In Austin, it's 90/10 masks. On the outskirts of Austin, in Cedar Park/Leander, I've noticed about 50/50. When I went to the smaller country town of Liberty Hill, it's flipped to 90/10 no masks.

With Dallas, Houston, and Austin being so much of the population, that's where you get your percentages. We are a red state, but the populated major cities are blue.

Either way, like you said, it's the public transit and not being exposed for long periods of times that the general lifestyle of Texans creates to keep us from ending up like Jersey or New York.
beerad12man
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Still no proof that it lowers the spread with asymptomatic or non-sick individuals, though. A lot of the original basis for asymptomatic spread was disproven. I don't think the minimal benefit(if any by the time you factor in social behavior changes, but I digress) is worth the somber atmosphere when the minor benefit may just be merely delaying the spread than actually changing the life total.

Workers who are in close proximity to one another, yes. If you are going to be exposed to people for prolonged periods of time? Yes. Every public situation at all costs with zero common sense being displayed? Nah.
billydean05
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7 day rolling average for US deaths dropped below 1000!
DadHammer
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I don't wear one outside ever, don't see the point as it makes no sense.

I agree with a lot of your post I just don't really care much about it, wear it if it makes you feel better and don't wear it if you don't want to.

ETFan
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billydean05 said:

7 day rolling average for US deaths dropped below 1000!
Because I've been keeping a chart of this updated:

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