Is looking more like "the shaft" this year. Do we not learn anything from series to series?
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Shifting only makes sense when you know tendencies…. maybe they had the data and they got beat?
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jrodwh00p said:
Shifting only makes sense when you know tendencies…. maybe they had the data and they got beat?
It cost us last Sundays game. Just stupid
jrodwh00p said:
Shifting only makes sense when you know tendencies…. maybe they had the data and they got beat?
I think they don't have enough data to be relying on analytics the way they have. Maybe it will get better as we have more data against SEC competition, but it sure seems like we are doing a horrible job playing the analytics game. By comparison, it seemed that UGA didn't shift much at all and they recorded a ton of groundouts.
When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging. I was pleased with the hire of Pennington in the offseason, but I get the feeling that Earley is letting him go too far with the analytics stuff right now, where a veteran coach would step in and say, let's try playing straight up for a while and see if that is any better.
College pitchers aren't good enough to pitch to the shift. Not just our pitchers, but almost all college pitchers. When the defense is set for the batter to pull and the pitchers continually throw to the outside corner, the shift gets beat. The fact that our coaches can't seem to pick up on that is infuriating.
Heck, most MLB pitchers aren't accurate enough to effectively pitch to the shift. But luckily for MLB pitchers, nearly all MLB hitters only want to hit bombs and be dead pull hitters. The days of Mickey Mantle, Don Mattingly, Pete Rose, and other MLB guys of spraying the ball to all fields is long gone.
Heck, most MLB pitchers aren't accurate enough to effectively pitch to the shift. But luckily for MLB pitchers, nearly all MLB hitters only want to hit bombs and be dead pull hitters. The days of Mickey Mantle, Don Mattingly, Pete Rose, and other MLB guys of spraying the ball to all fields is long gone.
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I personally can't stand the shift, for every time it helps you… it will burn you. Makes sense when you had to plan for someone like Jace LaVio…. (can't spell), but for most straight up hitters it is such a crap shoot. I tend to agree that this staff struggles to balance analytics with just regular baseball. Without experience, all you have is data
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If you have a shift, you do NOT pitch against the shift.
If you have a huge gap to one side of the field, do NOT pitch to that side.
For example, a Left hand hitter is up and you pull the players between 1st and 2nd, do NOT pitch outside.
If you have a huge gap to one side of the field, do NOT pitch to that side.
For example, a Left hand hitter is up and you pull the players between 1st and 2nd, do NOT pitch outside.
Maybe Earley thinks if the shift is called the opposition is going to oblige and hit into it like his guys do.
zip90 said:
If you have a shift, you do NOT pitch against the shift.
If you have a huge gap to one side of the field, do NOT pitch to that side.
For example, a Left hand hitter is up and you pull the players between 1st and 2nd, do NOT pitch outside.
This is above JK's pay grade
Hornbeck said:
Is looking more like "the shaft" this year. Do we not learn anything from series to series?
Do I think we over use it? Yes. But the shift did not either help or hinder us tonight.
UGA used the shift well IMO. Several grounders that were robbed. Meanwhile it felt like UCLA again. uGA balls dropping in everywhere.
That bases loaded AB when we were still sorta in the game would beg to differ.jkag89 said:Hornbeck said:
Is looking more like "the shaft" this year. Do we not learn anything from series to series?
Do I think we over use it? Yes. But the shift did not either help or hinder us tonight.
but they have a coach that probably has data and uses it. Seems like our Coach probably asks Grok if it's a good time to shift or not.Decay said:
UGA used the shift well IMO. Several grounders that were robbed. Meanwhile it felt like UCLA again. uGA balls dropping in everywhere.
That said, as a pitcher I'm always against the shift so I can't be a neutral observer on these decisions.
I read the title wrong, but yet it still applied!
Luke The Drifter said:
College pitchers aren't good enough to pitch to the shift. Not just our pitchers, but almost all college pitchers. When the defense is set for the batter to pull and the pitchers continually throw to the outside corner, the shift gets beat. The fact that our coaches can't seem to pick up on that is infuriating.
Heck, most MLB pitchers aren't accurate enough to effectively pitch to the shift. But luckily for MLB pitchers, nearly all MLB hitters only want to hit bombs and be dead pull hitters. The days of Mickey Mantle, Don Mattingly, Pete Rose, and other MLB guys of spraying the ball to all fields is long gone.
Dead on correct, Luke! I sure hope our coaches realize this and adjust appropriately.
Sean98 said:jkag89 said:Hornbeck said:
Is looking more like "the shaft" this year. Do we not learn anything from series to series?
Do I think we over use it? Yes. But the shift did not either help or hinder us tonight.
That bases loaded AB when we were still sorta in the game would beg to differ.
I thought that ball was hit into the shift and arguably misplayed or am I confusing two different ABs from that inning? Anyways, I'm not arguing for it, I just didn't recall it harming us last night nor do I recall it helping either. Being at the game last night I could see how much we do shift. When applied situationally it can be a useful tool but I kept asking myself why are we shifting here? And what is with swapping players within the shift from pitch to pitch?
shift might have just cost us a pitcher for a bit.
It was a routine grounder to the SS (position)... Only problem was he wasn't at SS he was standing on the other side of second base so it rolled harmlessly into LF and plated 2 bulldogs.jkag89 said:Sean98 said:jkag89 said:Hornbeck said:
Is looking more like "the shaft" this year. Do we not learn anything from series to series?
Do I think we over use it? Yes. But the shift did not either help or hinder us tonight.
That bases loaded AB when we were still sorta in the game would beg to differ.
I thought that ball was hit into the shift and arguably misplayed or am I confusing two different ABs from that inning? Anyways, I'm not arguing for it, I just didn't recall it harming us last night nor do I recall it helping either. Being at the game last night I could see how much we do shift. When applied situationally it can be a useful tool but I kept asking myself why are we shifting here? And what is with swapping players within the shift from pitch to pitch?
Sean98 said:It was a routine grounder to the SS (position)... Only problem was he wasn't at SS he was standing on the other side of second base so it rolled harmlessly into LF and plated 2 bulldogs.jkag89 said:Sean98 said:jkag89 said:Hornbeck said:
Is looking more like "the shaft" this year. Do we not learn anything from series to series?
Do I think we over use it? Yes. But the shift did not either help or hinder us tonight.
That bases loaded AB when we were still sorta in the game would beg to differ.
I thought that ball was hit into the shift and arguably misplayed or am I confusing two different ABs from that inning? Anyways, I'm not arguing for it, I just didn't recall it harming us last night nor do I recall it helping either. Being at the game last night I could see how much we do shift. When applied situationally it can be a useful tool but I kept asking myself why are we shifting here? And what is with swapping players within the shift from pitch to pitch?
I'm pretty sure Nico is the one moving for the shift on the right side, and Kellner is staying at SS. I feel like I see most teams moving the third baseman over these days.
The shift looks a lot worse when you have a pitching strategy of just pumping the strike zone without much more beyond that. It's 2 strategies that don't exactly work well together. If we want to focus on pumping strikes, fine. Then play straight up.
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