So its no rumor that Artest is gonna be traded - but where?

The Sacramento deal for Peja has been talked about for over a year now. It may still happen, but not likely.

The Sonics have talked about a deal of Vlad Radmonivic and Ronald Murray or Reggie Evans for Artest.

The Warriors talked about sending Foyle and Dunlevy for Artest and Foster.

The Nuggets have talked about Voshon Lenard and Nene for Artest. While the Nuggets have KMart on the block.

The Mavs are one of the few teams completely uninterested in Artest. Stackhouse could be traded straight up for Artest, though.

The talk with the Hawks has been Al Harrington - who will leave this year anyway.

The Knicks and WIzards are talking about sending QRich for Jared Jefferies and Chucky Atkins.

There are still talks about Sheed and Darko for Garnett. The Knicks offered Penny and Antonio Davis for Garnett and WallyZ - which would make the Knicks the 99 Blazers and give the TPups 25mm in cap room next year.

Look for the Celts to try to work out a deal somewhere for Mark Blount.



All I gots for now.

Just curious, where'd you hear all that?

I heard here in OKC that Mason and a first rounder for Artest. Mason is not great, but he is solid, and the Hornets have 2 1st rounders next year

If the Pacers would take Stackhouse straight up for Artest, I'd do that deal in a millisecond.

I wonder if other universities have things like the Aggie Code? What if you went to Seton Hall? "Pirates do not lie, cheat or steal."

'Soups got an inside source.

Penny and Antonio Davis for Garnett and WallyZ?

Sounds like the T-Wolves are folding up the tent and quitting the basketball business.

send artest to atlanta. he'll get all the playing time and scoring opportunities that he wants. bring back al.

i dont think the hornets will trade mason... the reason they got him is to sell tickets, he is a folk hero there because of his efforts with Okie Light

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Just curious, where'd you hear all that?

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this information, and other information, can be found on most of these sites

www.nba.com
www.espn.com
www.rotowrold.com
www.hoopshype.com
www.yahoo.com
www.si.com
www.cbs.sportsline.com
www.usatoday.com
www.insidehoops.com

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There are still talks about Sheed and Darko for Garnett.

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If everyone could be nice and share the ball, the Pistons would be scary if that trade happened.

If that's true that the Mavs could trade Stack for Artest, then they'd be crazy not to do it. Even if Artest wigs out and goes AWOL, then that would just leave the Mavs with the team they've been playing with all year up to this point, which has been very competitive. If he can be a good guy for the rest of the year, then he might be the missing piece.

a lot of those rumors must be made up. voshon lenard and nene for artest? nene is most likely out for the season and he's a free agent this summer. stackhouse for artest straight up? artest is a potential all-star. stackhouse is old. i have to think the pacers would want howard or harris. the rumors listed above may work out financially, but i just don't see the pacers giving up the second best player on their team without getting at least one good player in return. also, the t-wolves trading garnett for cap room? i realize vince carter was traded for crap last year, but come on. garnett was mvp two years ago.

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If everyone could be nice and share the ball, the Pistons would be scary if that trade happened.

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I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Why shuffle a lineup that has been to 2 consecutive finals, is 1 year removed from a championship, and is currently the best team in the league? I love Garnett's game and think he is not only a better player but a better person than 'Sheed; that being said, you can't mess with the existing chemistry there in Detroit and reasonably expect the same product on the floor.

kevin garnett is a top 5 player in the league. in the aforementied scenario, the pistons would essentially be swapping out wallace for garnett. is there anything wallace does better than garnett? not that i know of, and although they were drafted in the same year, garnett is two years younger. in regards to team chemistry, i would think any issues could be worked out over the remaining 60 games of the regular season. the only thing the pistons could be worried about is garnett's salary. i'd still be surprised if the wolves trade garnett, though.

What I'm saying is that there is a chemistry there with 'Sheed that has been developed over the course of about 1-2 seasons. He fits a very definitive role for that team, and that team has built itself around the role each respective player plays. If you take away an important player like 'Sheed, and put Garnett in his position, Garnett will play a completely different role. 'Sheed is the 4th option on that team behind Billups, Hamilton and Prince. His main offensive role is to stretch the floor with his range and long-distance shooting. Garnett would want to be the #1 option on that team. His game is to hang out around the paint, and he will not be happy unless the offense is going through him a majority of the time.
If you take 'Sheed's role out of the lineup, every other player has to shift their responsibilities to account for a player that has a completely foreign set of skills. I would wager Detroit would still be a very formidable team, and probably still one of the best in the league. However, why gamble on this kind of mid-season move when you basically have the same squad that was in game 7 of the NBA finals last year?
Bottom line: if you already have the best team in the league, and one that has already proven it can get to the finals and win, why are you going to screw with it?

For instance, do you think the 80's Celtics would have been MORE or LESS successful if they had acquired Charles Barkley from Philly for Kevin McHale?
If you answer MORE successful, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Guitar, don't be so sure about the Mavs ad Artest.

the pistons acquired rasheed wallace at the trading deadline the year they won the championship. so, in half of a season, they developed the championship calibre chemistry you speak of. garnett, depsite his superstar talent, has no problem sharing the ball (see the 2002 playoffs when he was criticized for doing just that) - similar to rasheed wallace. in addition, he possesses a skill set very similar to that of wallace. garnett can shoot with range too, though he does not attempt as many 3's as wallace. as you alluded to, garnett can and likes to score in the paint...and he is better than wallace at doing so. scoring in the low post is at a premium in the league. it's why the knicks traded for eddy curry, despite the fact that he can't rebound and plays poor defense. why would the pistons not want to add a player who can do it with consistency?

in response to your question about taking a gamble despite having the best team in the league (20 games into the season) and having been to the finals the last two years, i can only offer you this: they lost last year - to the spurs, who improved in the offseason. it also took the pistons seven games to beat the heat last year, even though the heat were playing with their two best players hurt. the pistons aren't playing to win the most regular season games. they are playing to win a championship. i believe that having kevin garnett on their team in the postseason would remarkably improve their chances of realizing that goal.

oh...barkley and mchale. of course i will not answer MORE. first of all, kevin garnett is a better player than barkley was. whereas garnett and wallace have similar skills, barkley and mchale did not. they were fairly opposite of each other, in fact. for example, barkley was not known for his defense, while mchale was an all-nba defender. furthermore, i would hesitate to compare the pistons of today to the celtics of the 80's.

again, kevin garnett is a top 5 player in the league without question - on both ends of the floor. rasheed wallace is not. darko milicic...no one cares about darko milicic. if the pistons could make this trade (and do not care about the financial implications of it), they should...and would.

While you guys are having the pissing match of sheed versus garnett, i would like to point out the rumor says WALLY Z as well....

This would provide needed depth to the pistons bench.

Furthermore, Minnesota's GM would have to go absolutely cocaine-eriffic to agree to that deal. That whale of a move would make even Fran's pathetic decision look brilliant.

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first of all, kevin garnett is a better player than barkley was.

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That is very debateable. Garnett is noteable because of his size, but Barkley was a better shooter, a better rebounder, and he ran the floor better.

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whereas garnett and wallace have similar skills, barkley and mchale did not.

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Perhaps but I still think if you put Garnett on that Pistons team, everybody's roles change dramatically on the offensive end. That is the point I was making. You think Garnett will be happy as the 4th option?

Look, if they make the trade, it obviously isn't the worst trade in the world. And on paper, the Pistons would have to be INSANE not to make the trade. However, I get annoyed by this idea that having more talent on your team always makes you better. The '04 Lakers ignored the fact that chemistry and teamwork is MORE IMPORTANT in the team sport of basketball than talent, and they turned out not to be the juggernaut everyone imagined.
If it ain't broke......you know the rest.