Spoke to Bill Byrne after the game

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Old Style
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I was hanging around on the court after the game savoring the win when I spotted Bill Byrne chatting with a few gentleman. As I walked up I heard him tell one guy "This place is ready to explode" as he gazed up at the top of Reed. Then told the guy that we might still make the Big Dance this year. I walked up and thanked him for turning around the athletic program so quickly and he spent a few moments chatting with me with a big smile on his face. As he started to walk away, I said "Now go get us a W in Stillwater." With an almost devilish grin on his face, he said "We'll do it" and walked away. You gotta love this guy.
Smokedraw01
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Maybe folks will realize now that there is a method to his "madness".
rwilson
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I actually had a personal meeting, just me and him, for about an hour back in the Fall of 2003. I had contacted him through email, told him I was interested in working in collegiate athletics, and wanted know what his road was to becoming an Athletic Director. He CALLS me back, personally, about a week later, and tells me to come on into his office the next week, and sets a time with me. Long story short, he was great to talk to, and you could tell he really had vision for our Athletic program and knew EXACTLY what he was doing. He could have just wrote me back a quick email, which is the absolute most I expected. But he took the time to meet with me on a Friday afternoon, for over an hour. We talked about what his job entails, how he got there, what he did, etc. I learned that he had almost gone to Berkeley for Law School, but California raised their out of state tuition considerably that year, so he decided not to and pursued a Master's at his alma mater, Idaho State. He then went onto New Mexico, then to Oregon, then to Nebraska, and now us. He was excellent to speak with. This guy knows what he's doing folks, he really does. Look at the success Nebraska had during his tenure. It was unprecedented. He took them from almost 2 million dollars in the red when he arrived to 44 million in the black when he left. Numerous national titles, of which he said that A&M was MORE than capable of accomplishing. Talked about how many great athletes are in X-mile radius, and how Aggies talk big, but need to deliver more ($$).

This guy has what it takes, fellas. I know from personal experience; He's a winner, and we will be too soon, at the highest level.
silenth
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He's right about the money. Too many Ags aren't contributing to the 12th Man. If that continues, that will be the thing that results in our coaches leaving. We can't expect the handfull of mega rich Aggies to be the ones that fund everything because they will only do so much.
TorcanoAG2004
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hang on there, our donations are far from in crisis. we have some work to do to be sure, but our revenues are increasing and winning generates more support which generates more winning. in 3 more years the Aggies are going to be winning everything in sight.
agglover90
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Hey Tim, did you ask him for any suggestions or ideas to help your cubbies from cratering in August? I was thinking of maybe an indoor practice fascility?
twk
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If Billy G can keep it up, we'll be tying donations to most of the seats in Reed, which will generate a nice chunk of change. The money should be there if the results on the court/playing field continue.
NYC AG 99
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So, tell me why I should give to the athletic department when they have better facilities than the civil engineering department? The civil engineering department is why I have a job, etc.
bqce
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NYC, why does the Civil Engineering dept need better facilities than the athletic dept? We're not trying to recruit more CE recruits with facilities. That's where research money and reputation come in.
Physical Graffiti
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I'll tell you why we need better athletic facilities....... because athletics, football in particular can bring in 70,000+ in one weekend. I don't know about you but I've never heard of that many people coming to watch you take a Civil test or anything



"Kids in Texas grow up wanting to be Longhorns or Aggies, not Red Raiders. Texas Tech is kind of like Denny's. Nobody leaves the house planning to eat at Denny's. It's just some place you wind up at four in the morning."
Luke The Drifter
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I think silenth hit the nail right on the head. The mega-rich Ags are important, but we need the Average Joe Ags to kick in as well. Even if it's just $100 a year, it helps.


Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

John 15:13 - NIV
The Collective
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Haha, but perhaps we need civil engineers when that extra crowd converges on the city...
bqce
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CE's and donations to the TMF aren't mutually exclusive. How do I know? I are one.
Frok
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Give your money to a good cause. Athletics is just entertainment.
DunnAg07
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athletics is just entertainment, but it's the way our school is viewed by a majority of the nation.

i've got a 17year old cousin who has lived in georgia his whole life, never stepped foot in austin. he's seen all the great coverage of the sips in the media, and he is a die-hard t.u. fan. he bought a freaking orange car, and can't wait to enroll. he'll love them til the day he dies, and he'll love them because of athletics. that's what we're dealing with here.
Old Style
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Dunn hit it on the head and Frok is blind to it.
NYC AG 99
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I don't think serious students pick schools based on the football team. If that is the case than we all need to think about our priorities. I love this arguement on Texags because most texags posters think about sports and that's it. I've been a 12th Man donor in the past, not now that I live in NYC and I'm growing tired of the money = wins mentality that is now college sports. I don't see where it is any different than pro sports.

If you don't think that facilities in the Civil Engineering Department, or other academic departments don't help attract top graduate students and faculity, that then help attract top undergrad students, than you really don't understand how it all works. I stayed at A&M to do grad work, but if I was coming in from another school and they showed me where I was going to sit for 2 years, I would have looked elsewhere.

Also, I believe that the research money that comes into A&M through TEES and the Engineering College would dwarf the athletic budget, so don't give me the crap about being on TV while I take a CE test. Despite what most of the sports nuts think, A&M exists for higher education, not college sports.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Aggie sports more than y'all would believe, but somewhere you have to say it is going too far. We "need" things in the athletic department strickly to impress high school students that hold university hostage during the recruiting season, don't graduate, then go on Monday Night Football and say they are from the University of Texas A&M. Sometime you have to say to yourself, it has gone too far.
bthotugigem05
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Then you'd be amazed to find out that admissions application numbers go up significantly when we're winning.
bknetag
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cue: The Chicken Ranch.

I have to admit. I have turned into a BB liker.
JJxvi
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I dont know about CE in particular...but I do know that the A&M IS spending a crapload of money for facilities imporvements in the academics departments. Chemical Engineering just got a brand spanking new building. The business school just had a major expansion. Money gets spent on this stuff. Donate to what you think is important if you wish, but athletics is also an insanely important part of our university. Possibly more than is healthy, but you cant change that.
NYC AG 99
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btho .. 05,

That is a great stat, I've seen it myself, but do you honestly think that A&M's academic reputation is tied to the number of wins by the football team or basketball team? How did Berkley make it through all those rough years in football?

Look, sports are important, it gives everyone a tie back to the campus, promotes school spirit, etc, but my argument is the money involved is getting a little out of hand.
Jason Jordan
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NYC -

Is there a Texags equivalent for CE fans?
Keegan99
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quote:

Look, sports are important, it gives everyone a tie back to the campus, promotes school spirit, etc, but my argument is the money involved is getting a little out of hand.


That's not a choice we, or our athletic department, makes. It's a matter of keeping up with the t.u.'s and Nebraska's or not.

We could keep a small budget and win a few games, but by and large not be competitive on the conference stage.

Students would stop attending games as a matter of practice. Donations to the AFS would drop as recent grads felt less of a tie to the school. Applications from high school students would drop since we wouldn't be getting mindshare at a young age. Then years down the road we'd see less big money flowing in to all sorts of programs.

We're not Harvard, and we're not Berkeley (yet). We can't rest on our laurels academically and expect students and money to keep coming. We need athletics as that front porch.

If a guy as brilliant and distinguished as Dr. Gates grasps that concept, then I figure a CE in NYC should be able to as well.

[This message has been edited by Keegan99 (edited 2/28/2005 9:14a).]
NYC AG 99
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Keengan,

You're stating theories as facts. I've heard the argument, I agree somewhat, just not to the extreme that some people push it. I just don't like to hear we NEED an indoor practice facility when we've played football at A&M for 111 years without one, when we NEED one so Martellus will come to A&M, not Texas.
bqce
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Since donations are voluntary, I think the argument that too much money is going to athletics is a strawman. People will donate to activities they feel will give them the best benefit for their money. As such, there's no use bemoaning the fact that the Athletic Department gets too much of our discretionary donations. From a strictly human point of view, we shouldn't be donating to athletics or academics - we should be donating only to churches, child advocacy programs, food pantries, etc. I do hear what you are saying NYC, and I agree on an intellctual level, but most folks don't operate on that level, including me.
Keegan99
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I just don't like to hear we NEED an indoor practice facility when we've played football at A&M for 111 years without one, when we NEED one so Martellus will come to A&M, not Texas.


We didn't "need" a lot of things 111 years ago, but it's a matter of keeping up with the competition.

We can either join the arms race and win some ballgames, or not join it and retreat into being a perennial doormat to the Sooners, sips, and yes, even Texas Tech.

Regarding the theory vs. fact argument... let's look at Texas Tech for a moment. Which school do you think has more name recognition across the state and outside of it, UNT or Tech? The answer is Tech, and the reason is because they are in the Big XII and feature prominent athletic programs, despite the fact that UNT has a larger student body and better programs in a lot of areas.
MassAggie97
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So, tell me why I should give to the athletic department when they have better facilities than the civil engineering department?
The CE department has its own mandatory donation system. Its called tuition, and last time I checked it goes up copiously every year.
Oh Four Five
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It's all about exposure. Athletics is the best way to advertise our University around the country. Academic excellence is great, but unless you're Harvard, MIT, Berkley, Yale, etc; it doesn't get the University's name out to the masses.

How many people had heard of Northwestern before they had a couple of great years of football? I have a feeling there aren't many of you.
Aggiewes
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Go look at the 80s and the number of applicants to our fine institution after the '85, '86 & '87 FB seasons. Our academic reputation did not change 1 bit over those 3 years. However, the number of fish applicants skyrocketed. Why???? Exposure through a winning FB program and our first Cotton Bowl since 1967. A&M was the place to be. As a former RA and fish camp chair, the growth was unbelievable.

Like it or not, "it is what it is".
NYC AG 99
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The number of applicants goes up, but does the quality of student increase, or for that matter, the number accepted?
cone
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Athletics is the best way to advertise our University around the country. Academic excellence is great, but unless you're Harvard, MIT, Berkley, Yale, etc; it doesn't get the University's name out to the masses.



Which is why most people are familiar with Florida State and have never heard of Swarthmore.
letters at random
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There are only 3 choices:

1) Play sports, and invest the money necessary to be win.

2) Play sports, and don't invest the money necessary to win.

3) Don't play sports.

It is a choice. Period. Nothing more.



I say play sports, and invest the money necessary to win. I think the investment is worth it.
85AustinAg
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Send 1/3 of $ to athletics, 1/3 to AFS and 1/3 to C.E. Problem solved.
Maroon Dawn
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Its called the Flutie Factor, named after the Boston College Quarterback whose last minute hail mary pass led to a BC victory over Miami. The huge press it gave BC led to a huge application increase for BC. So perception IS importnt, I mean you can read about A&M every week but its almost ALWAYS in the sports section, sports are the window thst people view a university through. You dont need to tell most kids in Texas that A&M and Texas are the best schools they know it, but sports IS a tie breaker, kids want the whole package, great school nd fun atmosphere. No one wants to go to a "loser" school and athletics is part of the problem Baylor is having in recruitng, especially young men. And lets face it, most people love tu because they win at sports, not academics and the revenue they get from their sports/merchandising empire is huge. tech is another good example, its no different from north texas/houston/tx state in terms of size and academics but theyare everyones third choice because they have Big 12 sports, even mediocre big time sports is huge, afterall, UNT wins the Sun Belt every year but no one cares. So wether we like it or not, losing sports teams hurt a univerity in a very real way. Maybe that isnt how things should be but we ignore it at our own peril.

"What's this garbage? Melon rinds, pantyhose, a term paper from Texas Tech!" -Mayor Quimby, The Simpsons
andy_aggie
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While not the only factor, I can tell you the atmosphere around football games, which is the place most people see the unique traditions and spirit of Aggieland, certainly had a large influence on my decision to go to TAMU. I had offers for some generous financial aid from Baylor, but from visiting there and such was generally left wanting something else. The comraderie at TAMU was a something I wanted to be a part of.

Also, there's a reason schools often promote specific programs in those little ads during games. it is when more people pay attention to the school than at any other time. In our society, athletics is the big stage for universities to show off everything. I wish it wasn't so expensive, but it is. I can tell you that while I support TMF annually, as a fraction of my giving it is pretty small. I give to things I believe in, and TMF (and by extension my university's profile) is certainly one of those things. We all have our priorities, and I think TMF is about where it should be on my list. Not first, certainly far from last.
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