Think he's a great guy… Good role model… Would want him coaching my kids…

However… Jimmys / Joes…. Xs / Os….

Double OT against ACU ???

Can't wait for Kentucky….
Think we can take them to Double OT ???

He didn't coach tonight.

Lots of football people on this board showing how little they know about modern day college basketball.

ACU is a good team. They made the Sweet 16 last year. Don't assume they're bad just because their school colors aren't a variation of blue.

Also, Buzz didn't coach tonight. He was suspended by the NCAA for an incredibly minor infraction committed by one of his assistants.

*Whispers*
"they didn't make the sweet 16"

Admittedly I've washed much of the specifics of last year's tournament from my brain with bleach. Due to Baylor and all that.

But the overall point remains.

*whispers*

They lost to a bad Utah team by 14 and were 15pt underdogs to the Aggies

A win is a win, but too many people try and put lipstick on a pig around here.

It was an ugly win that doesnt do much to shake the trend of Buzz teams not being ready to play at season's start. But its a win, so you move on to the next one ans hope its an anomaly.

But stuff like "ACU is actually really good" or "we were the hottest team in the country in 2019 when covid hit" are just really bad takes from uneducated fans.

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*whispers*

They lost to a bad Utah team by 14 and were 15pt underdogs to the Aggies

A win is a win, but too many people try and put lipstick on a pig around here.

It was an ugly win that doesnt do much to shake the trend of Buzz teams not being ready to play at season's start. But its a win, so you move on to the next one ans hope its an anomaly.

But stuff like "ACU is actually really good" or "we were the hottest team in the country in 2019 when covid hit" are just really bad takes from uneducated fans.

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Fyi, Ags we're 9.5-10.5 point favorite last night. I never saw the line get anywhere close to 15.

To be fair, the 2019 take gets repeated by people paid to talk about sports. Not that it makes it any better of a take, but it's not like it's a message board fan invention.

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Think he's a great guy… Good role model… Would want him coaching my kids…

However… Jimmys / Joes…. Xs / Os….

Double OT against ACU ???

Can't wait for Kentucky….
Think we can take them to Double OT ???

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So if we covered last night you'd be confident we could beat UK? Did you not see where we are predicted to finish in conference?

I guess I don't understand the constant complaining about MBB. Don't like it don't watch it.

People who don't pay attention to basketball complaining about basketball and getting all the facts wrong.

We did to AC last night what a #3 seed tu team couldn't do last season. Buzz Williams deserves more time and support.

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It was an ugly win that doesnt do much to shake the trend of Buzz teams not being ready to play at season's start. But its a win, so you move on to the next one ans hope its an anomaly.

But stuff like "ACU is actually really good" or "we were the hottest team in the country in 2019 when covid hit" are just really bad takes from uneducated fans.

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Agree with first paragraph, second paragraph just sounds like you are angry and saying things to troll. Maybe not the hottest team but we were playing very strong headed into March 2020 and Buzz won AP SEC coach of the year as a result. ACU was 24-5 and is a solid team with 10 juniors and seniors. We want to be a team that solidly handles an opponent like that but there are also many implying ACU must be scrubs.

I think Buzz has chosen an odd path. It's unfair to compare him to John Wooden but it very much reminds me of Wooden. We did what it took to win last night, too, without Buzz in the room. Kudos on the win that is an actual win.

This is as absurd as the "he sucks" posts. It's year three, he doesn't deserve more support, he needs to earn more support.

It's a long season though, no reason to get too worked up about last night's game without Buzz on the bench.

Love the win!
However this past not the same ACU team as last year. Don't they have a new coach and lost three starters from last year?

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To be fair, the 2019 take gets repeated by people paid to talk about sports. Not that it makes it any better of a take, but it's not like it's a message board fan invention.

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Where outside of here did you the 2019 take get pushed/repeated?

Something gets mentioned here and you'll get 200 fans that don't really pay much attention taking it as gospel. (eg. People who still think we were a potential at-large bid in 2019).

Well nobody was pushing your hyperbolic "hottest team in the country" version of it but even announcers talk about how hot we were at the end of the season. But if you really mean people think we were the hottest team in the country you're really just singling out maybe a couple of crazy people, it's not like it's a widely held belief.

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*whispers*

They lost to a bad Utah team by 14 and were 15pt underdogs to the Aggies

A win is a win, but too many people try and put lipstick on a pig around here.

It was an ugly win that doesnt do much to shake the trend of Buzz teams not being ready to play at season's start. But its a win, so you move on to the next one ans hope its an anomaly.

But stuff like "ACU is actually really good" or "we were the hottest team in the country in 2019 when covid hit" are just really bad takes from uneducated fans.

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You posting this same schtick on every basketball thread and disrupting a game thread on the premium board is bad enough, but the hyperbole has compromised much of your credibility'.

Nobody has suggested A&M was the hottest team in the country. I have stated the team greatly improved, finished with a winning SEC record, and Williams won SEC Coach of the Year. Those are factual statements that can't be refuted.

I did make a subjective comment that you seem to carry around in your hip pocket… saying nobody wanted to play A&M at the SEC Tourney. That in no way can be confused with saying A&M is the hottest team in the nation.

Feel free to break out of this auto loop and discuss something else about the team.

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Proposition Joe said:

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*whispers*

They lost to a bad Utah team by 14 and were 15pt underdogs to the Aggies

A win is a win, but too many people try and put lipstick on a pig around here.

It was an ugly win that doesnt do much to shake the trend of Buzz teams not being ready to play at season's start. But its a win, so you move on to the next one ans hope its an anomaly.

But stuff like "ACU is actually really good" or "we were the hottest team in the country in 2019 when covid hit" are just really bad takes from uneducated fans.

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You posting this same schtick on every basketball thread and disrupting a game thread on the premium board is bad enough, but the hyperbole has compromised much of your credibility'.

Nobody has suggested A&M was the hottest team in the country. I have stated the team greatly improved, finished with a winning SEC record, and Williams won SEC Coach of the Year. Those are factual statements that can't be refuted.

I did make a subjective comment that you seem to carry around in your hip pocket… saying nobody wanted to play A&M at the SEC Tourney. That in no way can be confused with saying A&M is the hottest team in the nation.

Feel free to break out of this auto loop and discuss something else about the team.

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Disrupting a game thread? The game was over and I was responding to other posters. The only "schtick" I've posted (in my maybe 5 posts this season about the team?) is that we look very mediocre out of the gates again. If you want to disagree with that, feel free.

"Nobody has suggested A&M was the hottest team in the country"

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I think two years ago we lost to Fairfield early in the year and finished as one of the hottest teams in the country before the season got cut short.

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Nobody said it, yet there it is in the exact thread you are *****ing about.

I avoid most of your posts for a number of reasons (the most obvious of which is that your analysis is antiquated and typically dead wrong) so as not to ruffle your feathers and get the back-and-forth that nobody wants to see started. But don't sit there and tell me nobody has suggested something when it's literally stated in the thread you were complaining about (days later?).

I'll return to trying to steer clear of your crackerjack analysis posts.

Why don't you message the one individual who made the claim instead of broad brushing that take with a "people are saying" type of claim?

Surely 1-5 people having a hyperbolic opinion isn't worth calling out and acting like it's a commonly held opinion.

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*whispers*

They lost to a bad Utah team by 14 and were 15pt underdogs to the Aggies

A win is a win, but too many people try and put lipstick on a pig around here.

It was an ugly win that doesnt do much to shake the trend of Buzz teams not being ready to play at season's start. But its a win, so you move on to the next one ans hope its an anomaly.

But stuff like "ACU is actually really good" or "we were the hottest team in the country in 2019 when covid hit" are just really bad takes from uneducated fans.

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did they beat Tu last year?

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Why don't you message the one individual who made the claim instead of broad brushing that take with a "people are saying" type of claim?

Surely 1-5 people having a hyperbolic opinion isn't worth calling out and acting like it's a commonly held opinion.

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For the same reason that you posted this reply instead of messaging me this reply? It's a message board, people reply to messages.

As for the "broad brush" -- even ignoring said poster who said we were the "hottest team in the country", the idea that were a team "nobody wanted to play" is such a clich phrase that losing teams cling to and really doesn't have any meat to it either. We were 2-2 in our last 4. "Nobody wanted to play us" in the SEC Tournament just like nobody wanted to play all but 3 teams in the SEC Tournament. We'd be a tough out, just like most teams. Add to that you even had a mod push for a while that we were actually a potential at-large team... It just completely created this narrative that Buzz did a really great job here in Year 1.

He didn't. Our NET/RPI was worse than the season that landed Billy Kennedy as unemployed. We had a decent conference performance that gave a lot of people justified hope for Year 2 (myself included). Then Year 2 we **** the bed. "But COVID".

We're now turning around and in Year 3 saying "well scrimmage doesn't matter" in our close call... And now against ACU (who just lost to Utah by 14) we're excusing needing a 2OT buzzer beater at home with "well they were a tournament team LAST year and they beat Texas!"

It's the same goal-tending we saw under the Kennedy years, but at least we had two highlight years out of that.

I want Buzz here. I think he is the best coach we could realistically get unless we're willing to gamble on a revolving door of young guys. But lets call a spade a spade - he's been a disappointment here thus far and in Year 3 out of the gate it's not exactly super-promising. Not sure why watching a bad performance and saying "that was a bad performance" is met with such pushback.

People arguing against the most extreme case they can find isn't limited to just this board, it's one of the reasons "the media" is such a dumpster fire most of the time and why the quote tweet feature on Twitter sucks. And I've been guilty of it a lot also.

I've tried to get better about not just replying to the absolute wildest stuff people say, but sometimes it's just too easy.

But I think when I get annoyed on here is when people that don't come on to talk about wins, or how the new guys look, or anything else ever, just come out of the woodwork to complain when we look bad. I've never understood the people that seem to revel in the fact that we had a bad night.

But a lot of things can be true at the same time.

We sucked the other night. We didn't suck the whole time and with a more experience head coach managing the game it might not have gotten as close as it did late. For a third year in a row we don't look very good to start the season and that's concerning. Abilene Christian is an experienced team that will be good in their conference. Losing to Abilene Christian would have been absolutely disastrous. Some our pieces look pretty good compared to last year and this team has potential. Our offense looks terrible right now and it's unclear what we're even trying to do. Our defense has too many mental lapses but we've been good at forcing turnovers and as a whole it's been pretty good.

For me those are all simultaneously true statements.

There's absolutely bright spots and reasons to be excited. We won Friday night.

But at the same time that doesn't mean there's not concerning things with the program as a whole. I think we all said after what happened the last 2 seasons we needed to come out looking ready to play. After a lackluster scrimmage and a buzzer beater we're now skewing back into "well it'll take a while for us to gel".

I'm ok with us taking a while for us to gel if we're beating bad teams by 8-10 instead of 20-25. But when we're still looking perilously close to losing to some teams in non-conference we should beat (again), then I think it's right to start questioning if our preseason prep is all it's cracked up to be.

Win by 10+ today and some of those fears will start to be put to bed... But if we wind up in another close game with one of our satellite schools then something is either deficient with the talent or the preparation.

No doubt, and even without Buzz, but especially with him, we need to look a lot better today. This is a much worse opponent.

ACU >>>>>>>> A&M-CC

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ACU >>>>>>>> A&M-CC

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Absolutely.

They were 2 years ago when A&M-CC took us to the buzzer too

It is a little early in the season to judge a basketball team, no?

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It is a little early in the season to judge a basketball team, no?

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There's a baseball saying that goes "You can't win a pennant in April, but you can lose it."

In 2019 we ended up looking like a pretty competent team come conference play -- but it didn't matter because we lost the season in November/December.

It's why actually coming out ready to play this season and handling the bottom-feeders is so important. No one expects us to be dominant in conference play, but Buzz typically has the teams competitive. But these November/Decemeber games aren't "preseason" games -- they impact your resume.

ok, i dont live on this board, but could someone explain to me why " the hottest team in 2019" (i presume u mean 2019-2020) is a bad take?

is it because of 2021?

I dont understand exactly why we were so mediocre last year. was that the aberration or was the progress shown in 2020?

I'll hang up and listen. Gig 'Em!

It's because we weren't one of the hottest teams at the end of the season. We were definitely a lot better than we were at the beginning of the year, but it's not like we were coming into the SEC Tournament on some wild win streak and slaying giants. We had lost two of our last four games, and neither were particularly close, to Kentucky and LSU and they weren't exactly world beaters that season.

It was a good end to a season that started terribly, but a few people (including some people that get paid to talk about this stuff) have spun this up into some "we were red hot and on the verge of being a tournament team" thing that isn't true.

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There's absolutely bright spots and reasons to be excited. We won Friday night.

But at the same time that doesn't mean there's not concerning things with the program as a whole. I think we all said after what happened the last 2 seasons we needed to come out looking ready to play. After a lackluster scrimmage and a buzzer beater we're now skewing back into "well it'll take a while for us to gel".

I'm ok with us taking a while for us to gel if we're beating bad teams by 8-10 instead of 20-25. But when we're still looking perilously close to losing to some teams in non-conference we should beat (again), then I think it's right to start questioning if our preseason prep is all it's cracked up to be.

Win by 10+ today and some of those fears will start to be put to bed... But if we wind up in another close game with one of our satellite schools then something is either deficient with the talent or the preparation.

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No smart Aggie hoops fans were expecting us to come out firing on all cylinders. That's a false narrative.

Moreover, the whole point about Buzz needing the offseason work with the team isn't that they would come off the starting line as a well-oiled machine. You've badly misconstrued the premise you've been railing against for two years if thats your interpretation.

The point about the importance of the offseason with Buzz is that is when the team is built and the work ethic is instilled. It's not about jumpstarting superior offensive or even defensive execution. It's about creating the mindset for the individuals and the team. It's about developing the effort, selflessness, and camaraderie. If anything, the emphasis on the conditioning and intangibles means you're going to be a little behind on the offensive and defensive execution early.

But to the original point: this is a team that is not only turning over its roster in great numbers, it's also implementing new offensive and defensive schemes and turning over a lot its staff. If you thought we would get out to a fast start this season, that's on you for either not paying close enough attention or, as seems to better fit your m.o. re Buzz, intentionally ignoring mitigating factors.

And I say that as someone who was pretty critical of, and disappointed with, Buzz last year.

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There's a baseball saying that goes "You can't win a pennant in April, but you can lose it."

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Pro baseball teams that are pennant contenders start the year with a team that has played together for years. That statement is terrible compared to college baseball and almost as bad for basketball.

Weird post, i think the analogy works fine.

Baseball has 9 players and is on a diamond not a court. Terrible analogy /