Hey good luck with that.

Yes. I get the argument, but why would I want to watch pros from A&M When I can watch far better pros?

He's just jealous that kids these days are getting paid more under the table than him and his Fab 5 buddies.

Bwahaha

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None of these players are "forced" to play college ball. Don't like the rules? Play overseas, or at the rec center.

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They all could also play in the USA in the D-League (if drafted).

But given a choice between having millions watch you play at Kentucky, UNC, or Kansas, and having world class facilities to train and practice, and playing in front of hundreds in various D-League cities, they chose what most of us would choose - get treated like superstars at college for a year or 3.

Most would not get drafted.

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Paying players

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Paying players

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God forbid they get to share in the billions of dollars they help generate.

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Hey good luck with that.

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Be great if that group of top players who feel slighted did boycott. Then we could get back to basketball. Such a ****** bag statement from a guy who never got college athletics. Their are thousands of college athletes who are glad to have the opportunity.

Good for him that he was a pro and gamed the college system. He has no use for the other 99%. But hey, it's about the kids.

Another ESPN idiot

Why in today's world are people hell bent on changing things that have worked for decades and decades

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Another ESPN idiot

Why in today's world are people hell bent on changing things that have worked for decades and decades

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He's trying to stay relevant, he wants to be "special" but in another 20 years, no one will remember who him or the fab 5 outside of a few college basketball enthusiasts.

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Nevermind the nutrition, personal training, skill development (varies) and most understated...exposure. Nevermind that most of them are a net loss.

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Exactly!

If it is such an all fired horrible rip off exploitation deal, why are so many kids doing it?

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rwtxag83 said:

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God forbid they get to share in the billions of dollars they help generate.

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They do. They get a free education, room and board, and myriad other benefits. Most students go into debt for as much as decades to get a FRACTION of what these guys get. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of kids who compete for these scholarships--completely voluntarily. Nobody holds a gun to their head.

How many of our players would even be admitted to A&M if not for hoops scholly? Same way with most of over 300 schools. Most of them couldn't even pay their way through in debt even if they wanted to.

You do not have to do this. If you think you are that good, just go straight to Europe or China and see what you are worth.

Far too many people fall into the trap of thinking it's not a fair trade.

Even if they did get paid, it would never be enough. They'd always want more.

Leave things the way they are, but clean it up and get back to what it was meant to be.

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Some get a full scholarship, not all. And the cost of the scholarship is nothing compared to the revenues created from football and basketball. NFL and NBA coaches are similarly paid to their collegiate equals. College athletes get whatever the value of a full-ride is, $50k-$100k, over four years. Kennedy's base pay in the same time frame is 20x that. It's the inverse in the NBA - players make 2-3-4-5x their coaches. Coaches have value - but the athletes will always produce more.

I don't have a problem with athletes capitalizing on themselves. Especially in football. There's physical risk involved and they should be able benefit while they can. Especially things like autographs, sponsorship, and paraphernalia. I'm even pro boosters stuffing recruits with money or other things. As long as it isn't a school employee; the NCAA should have no say in two private citizens exchanging goods for services. Yeah, I know. That means only the rich will compete. As if that's not already the paradigm in both football and basketball.

FYI Jalen Rose is not an idiot just because you disagree with him. Jalen is one of the best in the biz, period.

Still sad that he didn't take the ball from Webber.

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FYI Jalen Rose is not an idiot just because you disagree with him. Jalen is one of the best in the biz, period.

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Would not think being the best idiot in the biz would be an attribute but if you say so, I agree with you,

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FYI Jalen Rose is not an idiot just because you disagree with him. Jalen is one of the best in the biz, period.

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I don't think he's an idiot but he has a ton of awful takes.

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They do. They get a free education, room and board, and myriad other benefits. Most students go into debt for as much as decades to get a FRACTION of what these guys get. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of kids who compete for these scholarships--completely voluntarily.

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Communist dreck. The market values for some of these guys are far higher than the values of their scholarship packages.

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Nobody holds a gun to their head.

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The NCAA is a monopoly; there aren't really alternatives (though foreign ball is finally starting to emerge as one).

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Maybe some kids do think their market value is higher. Answer? Hit the frickin road! Go get paid somewhere! The NCAA is NOT a monopoly. There are professional outlets all around the world. Foreign ball isn't just 'finally starting to emerge'; it's been around for many years.

If their market value is truly that high, you'd see more guys exercising it regularly. Instead, you see the opposite. Most of them stay in school taking advantage of a very sweet gig, getting an education, skill development, and maturity. The system is set up to benefit the kids, the league and the schools, and it works. The fact that cheating exists doesn't mean the system isn't good.

Again, NOBODY is holding a gun to their head. It is completely voluntary. Completely voluntary. If they want to get paid, they can leave anytime they want.

Communist dreck my asse.

I like the halftime show with Rose, CB and the Truth. I think he does a great job over at ESPN. But he's a fool to encourage a boycott like this.

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They do. They get a free education, room and board, and myriad other benefits. Most students go into debt for as much as decades to get a FRACTION of what these guys get. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of kids who compete for these scholarships--completely voluntarily.

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Communist dreck. The market values for some of these guys are far higher than the values of their scholarship packages.

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The NCAA is a monopoly; there aren't really alternatives (though foreign ball is finally starting to emerge as one).

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To me, that is the issue here. SOME of the players are absolutely worth paying. Then there are the other 80% or so of the college athletes. Do you pay them all equally? How would you decide what rates to pay which players.

I can't give you an exact solution, but I think variable payments would have to be part of it. I did some club sports at A&M and while the university gave us some money (usually gas and vans when we traveled for competition) we paid for a lot of stuff ourselves. Which I think is fair because very few people were willing to pay to watch us (sorry star soccer player, but you aren't going to make what the starting QB does).

The injuries are a big thing for me. For example, Ryan Swope was absolutely talented enough for the NFL, yet he ate a bunch of concussions and was never able to earn a dime on his value. Meanwhile, the coaches, athletic directors, and NCAA administrators made millions. That's bull*****

Jalen Rose is a dumbass who got into Michigan because of his basketball skills and not his hard work in the classroom.

College basketball is popular and profitable becsuse of the former students/alumni's love of the school, state pride and the love of amateur sports. If special admissions for athletes were eliminated altogether, then college basketball would still be popular and profitable.

And if the Fab 5 played on the street and not at Michigan, nobody would have paid to watch them or would even know who they were. To do his day they would be known at the dead broke 5!