Take this 2nd hand info for what it's worth:

"Dont know a lot of details but a guy, who knows a guy, gave me a few tidbits:

--They played a game and then an additional half. Zags won both
--A+M pressed for the entire scrimmage, so it was real up tempo.

I also saw someone post saying when it was starters vs starters the zags won easily. Again this was all passed down info.

These sources cannot be proved reliable until they answer one all-important question: did Caldwell play in the scrimmage?

Meaningless.

Who knows if it's reliable, but it's DEFINITELY believable.

I'm sure the focus was winning the game and not putting players in scripted situations to help them get a feel for the game.

Yeah...again...the scrimmage at Rice exposed what they didn't want exposed. And Woodward is now interested in keeping the rest on the down low.

I think the scrimmages are a net (PUN ALERT) benefit if against better teams under most circumstances.

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Who knows if it's reliable, but it's DEFINITELY believable.

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This is a good tagline for the 2017 news cycle in general

There are a couple of real miserable people here.

As yet another example of how message boards work, I was curious so also went over to the Gonzaga board real quick.

Similar to what somebody did on this thread (copying from their board to over here), somebody over there copied from the TexAgs board the following post by 'mallen' about the scrimmage:

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All I know was that Mark Few was furious afterwards because the Aggies seemed disorganized and didn't give his team enough of a competitive matchup.

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Which mallen had posted using the 'winky' emoticon.

But some of the Zag posters seemed to take that quote from mallen literally (they are not educated apparently on the nuances of TexAgs emoticons) and are theorizing that mallen's insider information may explain why there are no leaks yet about how the scrimmage went, because Few is trying to save face for Kennedy and does not want to embarrass Texas A&M about what took place.

You just gotta love how these fan message boards and social media in general works.

I figured someone might take my statement out of context. Just thought it would be someone from the football board wandering over after this weekend's loss to MSU and not Gonzaga fans.

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Yeah...again...the scrimmage at Rice exposed what they didn't want exposed. And Woodward is now interested in keeping the rest on the down low.

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And what do you think was exposed, greg?

Thank you Logan! I like hearing that.

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Caldwell played the last 10 minutes of the scrimmage. Best lead guard A&M has by far.

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Thanks

and thanks.

Logan, can you post your broad write up for us poors about the scrimmage?

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Caldwell played the last 10 minutes of the scrimmage. Best lead guard A&M has by far.

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That's not saying much - Collins against WVU comes to mind

Logan that actually makes more sense that they didn't press based on 6 years of past history.

One thing I haven't heard you refute was that Gonzaga apparently won the game and the extra half.

Not that I put much stock into scrimmages, but I did notice there wasn't a comment on that part.

So I guess we're to assume that part was accurate.

Who cares who "won" the scrimmage? I have never been involved in a scrimmage where the primary goal was to "win" it. It is a scrimmage. It doesn't matter if you win or lose it. You come out of it 0-0 no matter what. That isn't the goal of those coaching on either side. You can win by 20 and accomplish nothing important and you can lose by 10 and accomplish everything you wanted to make you a better team when the games do count.

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...be a true point guard. Something A&M hasn't seen in a long while.

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I know it seems like forever, but Caruso and Collins graduated in 2016. 1 season ago!

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One thing I haven't heard you refute was that Gonzaga apparently won the game and the extra half.

Not that I put much stock into scrimmages, but I did notice there wasn't a comment on that part.

So I guess we're to assume that part was accurate.

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Apparently Gilder didn't play much in the scrimmage because he was sick, and Caldwell only played 10 minutes.

So if our projected starting backcourt was not on the court for most of that scrimmage, then that means it was mostly Duane Wilson and the fish Starks and Chandler out there.

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What it does say is that even though a Caldwell hasn't played a collegiate game - or even a competitive game since his junior year of high school, he is already doing what a lot expect - which is distribute the ball, push the pace and be a true point guard. Something A&M hasn't seen in a long while.

I did just notice that the Gonzaga board said A&M pressed up the entire time and I was told the Ags didn't set up in any type of full court press at all. That's just a FYI for everyone.

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One of the most competitive high school games I've ever seen was JJ's senior year vs Dallas API. In a matchup against Trevon Duval and a team that featured Terrence Ferguson, Billy Preston, etc., JJ willed his team to victory and was easily the best player on the floor that day.

Kennedy talks a little bit about the Gonzaga scrimmage in his weekly radio show

Said that Gonzaga is really good and the scoring in both scrimmage halves was really close, but Gonzaga got the better of us in both halves.

Kennedy said they had 12-13 guys and played everybody in the scrimmage trying a lot of different rotations. Had three officials from the west coast doing the scrimmage.

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Yeah...again...the scrimmage at Rice exposed what they didn't want exposed. And Woodward is now interested in keeping the rest on the down low.

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Dude scrimmages are never public. The Texas game was the exception because of Hurricane Harvey.

Come on.

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Yeah...again...the scrimmage at Rice exposed what they didn't want exposed. And Woodward is now interested in keeping the rest on the down low.

I think the scrimmages are a net (PUN ALERT) benefit if against better teams under most circumstances.

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So what you're saying is that if we had rolled tu, then our AD would have posted a box score for the unannounced scrimmage against Gonzaga?

Thanks for the response.

I'd probably debate winning/losing "not meaning a thing" in a scrimmage...sometimes that may not be the case, but other times it does depending on how the coaches run it.

I seem to remember a year or two ago there was some giddiness and discussion around beating Utah in a secret scrimmage.

Agree completely that performance, execution & effort are most important in a situation like that.

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I have no idea what this means but it is seems really dumb.

Could be worse...

michigan state lost to grand valley state in an exhibition and made the second weekend. baylor lost to tarleton state that same year i believe (2008) and made the tourney. it happens.

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Could be worse...

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Pearl has a 44-54 record in his first 3 seasons at Auburn (45% winning percentage) and hasn't even been close to making the NIT yet. Thus far, the shining moments of Pearl's tenure have been making a long run in the SEC tournament in his first season, and an upset of Kentucky at home in his second season. Maybe a couple other moments but those are what come to mind.

If Auburn doesn't get Wiley and Purifoy back for this season (held out of playing indefinitely by the school due to NCAA investigation of whether they took money from assistant coach Chuck Person)...I think that was their projected starting front court. Their 2018 recruiting class also evaporated because of the FBI stuff.

If Auburn falls flat again this year in Pearl's fourth season, with no post-season yet again, I wonder if that will be the end. Even if nothing further comes out that proves Pearl had knowledge of what Person was doing.

Does "true point guard" on here just mean "point guard that doesn't score"?

Because I'd take Caruso as my point guard 100 times out of 100.