I've read on here and elsewhere that Kennedy is safe because the basketball boosters like him. If Sam Torn is our biggest basketball booster, then I think Kennedy is going to stay here as long as he wants.

Do y'all remember the post a year or so back on BK attending Breakaway on campus and testifying? I'm not sure if it was on here or another forum, but the OP had attended the meeting, and came back gushing about what a great guy Kennedy is because of his religious beliefs.

Torn has owned and run Camp Ozark, a large Christian summer camp in Arkansas that hosts over 6100 campers a year, for 32 years. Ozark is based on evangelical Christian principles.

Torn's beliefs and Kennedy's beliefs seem to mesh, which means Torn may be perfectly fine with having a 'fine, upstanding Christian man' leading our basketball program, regardless of our win-loss record. We're basically in a situation where the religious background of the coach matters more than success on the court.

This is the same problem Baylor had, where they refused to believe Art Briles could be a monster because he was a 'fine, upstanding Christian man who knows his Bible'. Scott Drew is still the basketball coach at Baylor because he openly professes his faith as often as possible.

Note that I am not trying to compare BK to Briles or Drew, only the folly of taking the religious beliefs of a coach into consideration when making hiring/firing decisions.

The point of athletics is to win, who or how the coach worships on his private time is irrelevant. However, if Torn is our most powerful booster in basketball, I think what BK does off the court may be counting for more than what he does on the court.

TL;DR version: BK sucks because he is a Christian.

No. He "sucks" and keeps his job because he's a Christian. I'm a Christian, too, but it doesn't mean I would hire a Christian over a non Christian just because of that. Anyways Buzz is a Christian as are most head coaches.
Whatever.

I think OP is nearly spot on. I worked for Sam at Ozark a looong time ago. I love BK for his morals and ethics, but hate his coaching and performance on the court. His time should absolutely be over. Don't know how anyone could see it any other way.

You need to work on your reading comprehension.

Don't believe he's our biggest basketball supporter. But he is BKs biggest supporter.

Let Sam Torn get BK a job coaching the men's church league team!!!! Less stress which would benefit his disease, and still give him a 'title'! And Aggie basketball could then move on to a new coach for these talented players who are in need of serious coaching.

I love God.

I love basketball.

I have a basketball Jones.

Fire Billy Kennedy.

Amen.

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Don't believe he's our biggest basketball supporter. But he is BKs biggest supporter.

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Who is BK's biggest supporter.

He already answered your question. Sam.

I don't know a thing about Sumlin's religious beliefs, and we have the same situation there. The athletic department's flaws go beyond that single issue.

And Kennedy doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Briles.

Football is a whole different animal.

I'm only talking about this issue with respect to basketball.

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TL;DR version: BK sucks because he is a Christian.

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Gtfo with this garbage.

Sam should hire BK to run basketball at his church camp if he loves the guy so much

He should get paid for his religious work with an appropriate salary. Not 2.2m for running a D1 program into the ground.

From Camp Ozark wiki:

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This theme represents the idea that in order to "win" in life as a Christian, a person must put God first, others second and themselves third.

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And that's why BK isn't getting fired.

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Scott Drew is still the basketball coach at Baylor because he openly professes his faith as often as possible.

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I disagree. Scott Drew is still the coach at Baylor because of his success on the court.

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Scott Drew is still the basketball coach at Baylor because he openly professes his faith as often as possible.

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Maybe 10 years ago this might have been true, but now it's silly. In the past 10 years he's got 3 S16s and 2 E8s, plus two NIT final games and 3 other NCAA trips - and this year he's going to get a #2 seed

"Beware of the lollipop of mediocrity; lick it once and you will suck forever." Trouble with the decision makers, they can't get enough of the lollipop...

For me, I really don't give a damn about anyone's faith based belief or lack thereof. Can they perform the job at a high level and are our kids who are putting in their blood sweat and tears being developed to reach their goals.

I don't care if BK eats Jesus crackers or sells bean pies. He is failing at his job. Some of you guys who know Stansbury ought to get his perspective. I attribute our one successful year as a result of his impact. We won in spite of Kennedy's usual incompetentence.

Building champions my ass. We suck across the board with the same BS methodologies reaping the same BS results.

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From Camp Ozark wiki:

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This theme represents the idea that in order to "win" in life as a Christian, a person must put God first, others second and themselves third.

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And that's why BK isn't getting fired.

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Ironic, given how many kids Kennedy has thrown under the bus. Kinda failing at number two there.

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From Camp Ozark wiki:

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This theme represents the idea that in order to "win" in life as a Christian, a person must put God first, others second and themselves third.

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And that's why BK isn't getting fired.

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Ironic, given how many kids Kennedy has thrown under the bus. Kinda failing at number two there.

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Well given the fact you've got a super baptist and lawyer protecting him you should expect a lot of hypocrisy

For all that people say that BK is a good man, I have enough data points to challenge even that. I believe that he puts himself above the program; there is no question in my mind about that.

Unfounded nonsense.

I know Sam torn. He's highly successful and wants nothing more than for a&m to be successful at everything. Now perhaps he thinks the best way to that end is to keep Kennedy, but I can assure you it's not because they both worship the same god.

What is silly about the whole thing is that Sam is just as passionate and talks about the players and coaches in the same way with his friends as many of you do on here regardless of the sport. He just happens to be rich and generous to the program.

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Now perhaps he thinks the best way to that end is to keep Kennedy

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What do you think his justification is, then? It sure isn't results on the court.

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Unfounded nonsense.

I know Sam torn. He's highly successful and wants nothing more than for a&m to be successful at everything. Now perhaps he thinks the best way to that end is to keep Kennedy, but I can assure you it's not because they both worship the same god.

What is silly about the whole thing is that Sam is just as passionate and talks about the players and coaches in the same way with his friends as many of you do on here regardless of the sport. He just happens to be rich and generous to the program.

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It's been reported elsewhere you're wrong

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This is the same problem Baylor had, where they refused to believe Art Briles could be a monster because he was a 'fine, upstanding Christian man who knows his Bible'.

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No.
No, no, no.
F no.

This is nothing like that, there are literally zero similarities between how our athletes are permitted to act and all that rape **** they are cool with in Waco.

Ban yourself. TIA.

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Unfounded nonsense.

I know Sam torn. He's highly successful and wants nothing more than for a&m to be successful at everything. Now perhaps he thinks the best way to that end is to keep Kennedy, but I can assure you it's not because they both worship the same god.

What is silly about the whole thing is that Sam is just as passionate and talks about the players and coaches in the same way with his friends as many of you do on here regardless of the sport. He just happens to be rich and generous to the program.

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He's screwed us for his friend.

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Note that I am not trying to compare BK to Briles or Drew, only the folly of taking the religious beliefs of a coach into consideration when making hiring/firing decisions.

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Reading is fundamental.

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Note that I am not trying to compare BK to Briles or Drew, only the folly of taking the religious beliefs of a coach into consideration when making hiring/firing decisions.

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Reading is fundamental.

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Let me help you out because you're confused. Briles and Drew are/were successful coaches. Briles could have been sacrificing virgins to the devil and they would have tried to cover it up. If anything it's the opposite of what is happening here. How can you compare the two situations?

You want a winning coach regardless of his beliefs, just like most people - just like Baylor. Only Baylor took it way too far.

What a terrible post. You try to be clever by asking a question about a relationship but then you over answer it yourself by a bunch of what ifs. This is what today's MSM does. They ask a what if question and then answer it in a terrible way that gets rinsed and repeated until it becomes fake news.

First, admit you have no idea what is involved behind the scenes of hiring, firing, and evaluating coaches at A&M. Second, you have no idea of the nature of Kennedy's relationship with Torn. Third, you have no idea of Torn's influence on the hiring, firing, and evaluating coaches at A&M.

Once you admit these, you could have shortened your post to one simple question.

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You want a winning coach regardless of his beliefs, just like most people - just like Baylor. Only Baylor took it way too far.

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Baylor was in denial about what a monster Briles is because of his professed religious beliefs.

Just like I think Torn is in denial about Kennedy's failures as a coach because of his religious beliefs.

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Unfounded nonsense.

I know Sam torn. He's highly successful and wants nothing more than for a&m to be successful at everything. Now perhaps he thinks the best way to that end is to keep Kennedy, but I can assure you it's not because they both worship the same god.

What is silly about the whole thing is that Sam is just as passionate and talks about the players and coaches in the same way with his friends as many of you do on here regardless of the sport. He just happens to be rich and generous to the program.

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There is zero chance he's that passionate about the program and can come to the conclusion that a guy who has three NCAA tourney appearances in 19 years is the right man for the job.

He may be rich and generous, but he's an idiot if he thinks Kennedy is going to take us anywhere other than further down the drain.

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You want a winning coach regardless of his beliefs, just like most people - just like Baylor. Only Baylor took it way too far.

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Baylor was in denial about what a monster Briles is because of his professed religious beliefs.

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Lol

No. Baylor FANS were in denial.
Baylor was actively covering the facts. It's a terrible comparison - give it up

Also, Steeple is on to something. Kennedy is about Kennedy.
We're too stupid to see it.

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What a terrible post. You try to be clever by asking a question about a relationship but then you over answer it yourself by a bunch of what ifs. This is what today's MSM does. They ask a what if question and then answer it in a terrible way that gets rinsed and repeated until it becomes fake news.

First, admit you have no idea what is involved behind the scenes of hiring, firing, and evaluating coaches at A&M. Second, you have no idea of the nature of Kennedy's relationship with Torn. Third, you have no idea of Torn's influence on the hiring, firing, and evaluating coaches at A&M.

Once you admit these, you could have shortened your post to one simple question.

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Regardless, whoever is evaluating BK is either incompetent or playing favorites. I tend to think both.