Milley portrait taken down from Pentagon

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3:38p, 1/20/25
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"A portrait of retired Gen. Mark Milley, the former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who has feuded in highly public spats with President Trump, was taken down in the Pentagon on Monday.

A spokesperson for the Pentagon confirmed the portrait was taken down but deferred comment to the White House."

"The portrait, which had just been unveiled Jan. 10, hung in the Joint Chiefs hallway next to those of other former chairs."

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5096091-milley-portrait-taken-down-pentagon/amp/

Man that seems petty lol
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In reply to Aggie Therapist • 3:41p, 1/20/25
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"A portrait of retired Gen. Mark Milley, the former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who has feuded in highly public spats with President Trump, was taken down in the Pentagon on Monday.

A spokesperson for the Pentagon confirmed the portrait was taken down but deferred comment to the White House."

"The portrait, which had just been unveiled Jan. 10, hung in the Joint Chiefs hallway next to those of other former chairs."

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5096091-milley-portrait-taken-down-pentagon/amp/

Man that seems petty lol


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5:39p, 1/20/25
Col. David Hackworth referred to perfumed princes vs warrior generals. Any question which side Milley falls on?
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In reply to F4GIB71 • 5:49p, 1/20/25
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In reply to Aggie Therapist • 6:27p, 1/20/25
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Man that seems petty lol


In golf terms, we call this "par for the course."
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In reply to Aggie Therapist • 6:38p, 1/20/25
I've got a good friend, West Point grad, Airborne Ranger Infantry, who had Milley as BN CC. He said he was great in that position but has no idea how he got so far off the rails.
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In reply to F4GIB71 • 7:00p, 1/20/25
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As a field grade officer and airborne Infantry, I have seen my fair share of toxic leadership.

I imagine once you leave the Army and head to DC in that capacity, a lot can happen. I'd probably agree with everything your friend says.

I wish to never see that side of the house. I love being with the Soldiers.
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In reply to F4GIB71 • 7:54p, 1/20/25
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I've got a good friend, West Point grad, Airborne Ranger Infantry, who had Milley as BN CC. He said he was great in that position but has no idea how he got so far off the rails.
He was the division commander when I was in 10th MTN. I thought he was a great commander and he did a lot to make the 4th BDE, down at Polk, feel like an integral part of the division. I too wonder how he ended up as he did.
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8:25p, 1/20/25
Sadly too many sell their souls when to go passed 0-6. It's probably always been the case (Hackworth's comments) but seems to increased over the years.
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2:45p, 1/21/25
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I worked with Milley when he was a COL in the Pentagon. Thought he was a great officer/person then, and although I don't like retired senior officers getting into the political conversation (unless they are actually running for office), I doubt that Milley's character has changed. He just got into it with the wrong guy.
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In reply to Aggie Therapist • 7:14p, 1/21/25
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It doesn't seem petty, it is petty. Removing someone serving under you is fine. Going after their memory/ legacy is pathetic.

No different then Bolten. Killing his clearance and access is fine. Removing his security detail. Especially after a known assassination attemp is a dick move.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 7:20p, 1/21/25
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Yeah, I know it's petty.

Forgive my poor choice of words.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 5:19p, 1/27/25
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It doesn't seem petty, it is petty. Removing someone serving under you is fine. Going after their memory/ legacy is pathetic.

No different than Bolten. Killing his clearance and access is fine. Removing his security detail. Especially after a known assassination attemp is a dick move.

Like Trump said, just because you worked for the federal govt doesn't mean you're entitled to security detail afterward. Bolton's net worth is $6M. If he wants security then he can pay for it. Writing books and spouting off about your former boss for money does have consequences.
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In reply to clarythedrill • 9:43p, 1/27/25
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F4GIB71 said:
I've got a good friend, West Point grad, Airborne Ranger Infantry, who had Milley as BN CC. He said he was great in that position but has no idea how he got so far off the rails.
He was the division commander when I was in 10th MTN. I thought he was a great commander and he did a lot to make the 4th BDE, down at Polk, feel like an integral part of the division. I too wonder how he ended up as he did.
I ran into him, briefly, in Afghanistan when he was the DCG-O for the 101st, and I was in HQ 82nd, and we were replacing them.

Biggest thing I've gathered is Milley is/was a tactical dude. Great at division level, could handle a Corps and maybe even a field army if we were to re-fight WWII.

But he was out of his depth at the national strategic and political level. And got captured by the Swamp and the swamp creatures.
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In reply to Smeghead4761 • 7:39a, 1/28/25
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Smeghead4761 said:
clarythedrill said:
F4GIB71 said:
I've got a good friend, West Point grad, Airborne Ranger Infantry, who had Milley as BN CC. He said he was great in that position but has no idea how he got so far off the rails.
He was the division commander when I was in 10th MTN. I thought he was a great commander and he did a lot to make the 4th BDE, down at Polk, feel like an integral part of the division. I too wonder how he ended up as he did.
I ran into him, briefly, in Afghanistan when he was the DCG-O for the 101st, and I was in HQ 82nd, and we were replacing them.

Biggest thing I've gathered is Milley is/was a tactical dude. Great at division level, could handle a Corps and maybe even a field army if we were to re-fight WWII.

But he was out of his depth at the national strategic and political level. And got captured by the Swamp and the swamp creatures.
"Highest ranking company commander in the Army" as described by my JCS colleagues who worked for him as CJCS.
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11:17a, 1/30/25
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2025/01/29/hegseth-strips-milley-of-security-detail-orders-treason-investigation/

I don't have much of an opinion on milley. But This sounds like a witch hunt for political theater.
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Noblemen06 said:
Smeghead4761 said:
clarythedrill said:
F4GIB71 said:
I've got a good friend, West Point grad, Airborne Ranger Infantry, who had Milley as BN CC. He said he was great in that position but has no idea how he got so far off the rails.
He was the division commander when I was in 10th MTN. I thought he was a great commander and he did a lot to make the 4th BDE, down at Polk, feel like an integral part of the division. I too wonder how he ended up as he did.
I ran into him, briefly, in Afghanistan when he was the DCG-O for the 101st, and I was in HQ 82nd, and we were replacing them.

Biggest thing I've gathered is Milley is/was a tactical dude. Great at division level, could handle a Corps and maybe even a field army if we were to re-fight WWII.

But he was out of his depth at the national strategic and political level. And got captured by the Swamp and the swamp creatures.
"Highest ranking company commander in the Army" as described by my JCS colleagues who worked for him as CJCS.
this is consistent with what I have heard. He always considered himself the smartest man in the room, with an ego that required he demonstrate it in every meeting/briefing.

1 hour decision brief turn into 2.5 hour pontifications with no decisions made.

Milley routinely demonstrated that he viewed the CJCS as a position with "operational" authority, and treated it as such. It is no surprise that he exceeded his role and authority in the political arena. I

t was intensely stupid and arrogant to publicize that he had gone around the President with the Chinese, and hide information from the WH. And this is the result. If he just retires and stays apolitical, none of this happens. But he couldn't resist declaring himself the hero who saved the Republic.

All that being said, the portrait thing IS petty, and a diversion that doesn't accomplish much.
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In reply to F4GIB71 • 8:05a, 2/3/25
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F4GIB71 said:
I've got a good friend, West Point grad, Airborne Ranger Infantry, who had Milley as BN CC. He said he was great in that position but has no idea how he got so far off the rails.
^ This!
Milley visited my son's Unit shortly before they went on a GRF. Milley talked with my son and a number of other soldiers. Son got a Coin from Milley. Everyone in my son's Unit thought Milley was great!

Years later, when Milley went "so far off the rails", our whole family was stunned. What the heck happened to him?!
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In reply to Trinity Ag • 8:18a, 2/3/25
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All that being said, the portrait thing IS petty, and a diversion that doesn't accomplish much.
Removing Milley's portrait(s) is symbolic for a military that is chock-full of traditions, ceremonials and symbols. Allowing Milley to get away with what he did, giving the middle finger to the Commander and Chief and bragging about it after Trump left office, is unacceptable.

You shouldn't get to have your portrait/picture hang in the Pentagon if you turned into a woke general and commander in chief backstabber, no matter how good you were before you went woke off the rails.
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In reply to WolfCall • 8:21a, 2/3/25
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What branch were you in?
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What branch were you in?
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Father U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Okinawa invasion
Grandfather U.S. Army AEF WWI
Great Great Grandfather Illinois 7th Cavalry Grierson's Raiders
Also, mother and grandmother are DAR
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In reply to WolfCall • 8:37a, 2/3/25
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I was going to send you these as a thank you for your service but….there out of stock.
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You know, I think something happens to officers/senior enlisted wants they leave the…..let's call it "regular force, the ones boots on ground with Marines/Soldiers" and head to Washington DC.

Something id never want to experience. Being surrounded by that many politicians in a giant cesspool
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In reply to Aggie Therapist • 1:57p, 2/3/25
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I was going to send you these as a thank you for your service but….there out of stock.


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I'm Army Infantry…..I don't know how to spell
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All that being said, the portrait thing IS petty, and a diversion that doesn't accomplish much.
Removing Milley's portrait(s) is symbolic for a military that is chock-full of traditions, ceremonials and symbols. Allowing Milley to get away with what he did, giving the middle finger to the Commander and Chief and bragging about it after Trump left office, is unacceptable.

You shouldn't get to have your portrait/picture hang in the Pentagon if you turned into a woke general and commander in chief backstabber, no matter how good you were before you went woke off the rails.
I get that.

Symbolic gestures like this play well on the Internet, but are still petty, and demeaning to the institution. I'm not giving Trump or Hegseth any credit for action taken 4 years after the fact. Trump had the opportunity to fire Milley and he didn't. Beating a dead horse isn't an act of high principle.

That is not to say Milley was right, or doesn't deserve criticism for politicizing the position -- because he does.

Truman fired McArthur for insubordination, and there is now a corridor in the Pentagon named after him

Milley is no McArthur, but I guarantee this is going to be undone at the first opportunity by the next Dem in the presidency. And instead of being forgotten as a poor CJCS, Milley will continue to garner attention and status as a political "martyr" -- which will elevate his voice and probably suit him just fine.

Maybe it will become a tradition -- the hanging/unhanging of the Milley portrait when the White House changes hands.



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In reply to Trinity Ag • 9:44p, 2/3/25
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Trinity Ag said:
WolfCall said:
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All that being said, the portrait thing IS petty, and a diversion that doesn't accomplish much.
Removing Milley's portrait(s) is symbolic for a military that is chock-full of traditions, ceremonials and symbols. Allowing Milley to get away with what he did, giving the middle finger to the Commander and Chief and bragging about it after Trump left office, is unacceptable.

You shouldn't get to have your portrait/picture hang in the Pentagon if you turned into a woke general and commander in chief backstabber, no matter how good you were before you went woke off the rails.
I get that.

Symbolic gestures like this play well on the Internet, but are still petty, and demeaning to the institution. I'm not giving Trump or Hegseth any credit for action taken 4 years after the fact. Trump had the opportunity to fire Milley and he didn't. Beating a dead horse isn't an act of high principle.

That is not to say Milley was right, or doesn't deserve criticism for politicizing the position -- because he does.

Truman fired McArthur for insubordination, and there is now a corridor in the Pentagon named after him

Milley is no McArthur, but I guarantee this is going to be undone at the first opportunity by the next Dem in the presidency. And instead of being forgotten as a poor CJCS, Milley will continue to garner attention and status as a political "martyr" -- which will elevate his voice and probably suit him just fine.

Maybe it will become a tradition -- the hanging/unhanging of the Milley portrait when the White House changes hands.



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Preach. I had s couple of encounters with him in IZ him during OIF.

Not impressed.
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