AC Smell?

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Counterpoint
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Is it possible for a malfunctioning air conditioner that cools the entire upstairs of the house to blow a weird smell (in this case a strong "hospital-like" smell) into just one room?

I don't think it's that, but I've walked around the entire room smelling things and trying to figure out what it is for weeks. It's driving me crazy. It does seem to get stronger when the AC is on, but it's not obviously coming from the vent, so it may just be circulating the smell.

We recently had foam insulation injected into our walls, but no other room smells like that and I think that smell should be gone by now anyway.

Milwaukees Best Light
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Dirty sock smell?
ukbb2003
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Milwaukees Best Light said:

Dirty sock smell?


Dirty sock typically occurs in the spring and fall when temperatures are mild causing the the system to cycle between heat and cool.
Counterpoint
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Milwaukees Best Light said:

Dirty sock smell?


More like a chemical smell. I would say like a hospital, but not the disinfectant smell you are probably thinking of.
Ryan the Temp
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More like a chemical smell. I would say like a hospital, but not the disinfectant smell you are probably thinking of.
Interesting. I have a window unit that does the same thing, but only in the morning.
N8Dawg05
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How much do you know about your HVAC system (type of refrigerant used, how the duct work splits off the supply air plenum and runs to the room with the odor)?

A short answer is that strange, chemical-like odors can emanate from HVAC systems from both the refrigerant and the lubricating oil that circulates throughout the system (the compressor that is outside in the condenser unit needs continuous lubrication which actually circulates through the system with the refrigerant). It's also possible to have a very small / slow leak that doesn't materially impact system performance in the short term, but still produces the odor (more on that below).

The long answer is that most residential HVAC's use chemicals for refrigerants that do have some kind of chemical odor (hydrofluorocarbons smell like SOMETHING to most people, although smell can be quite subjective). Also, some of the oils have odors as well. If you have an evaporator leak, it's not impossible that a small amount of refrigerant is leaking out into the HVAC air handler while the unit is down and then gets "flushed" into the room when the unit turns on. Refrigerant compounds are gases, but they are heavier than air meaning they would preferentially pool at the bottom of the HVAC air handler and then get flushed preferentially into certain parts of the home.

For example, I know from experience that the refrigerant in my vehicle has an ether-like odor that reminds me very much of fresh cut grass. So if I smell fresh cut grass in a large, parking asphalt/concrete parking lot, I suspect an evaporator core leak. I also know that my vehicle uses poly-alkylene glycol oil (PAG oil) for compressor lubricant which to me smells like latex band-aids, again from experience.

If you have a very slow evaporator leak, those chemicals may leak out slowly enough so the system still has enough refrigerant charge to cool your house right now. That could change say in a year as the leak continues or if the leak starts to grow. A very small leak could allow refrigerant to accumulates in the relatively closed HVAC air handler / supply air plenum over time while the unit is down and then get pushed out all at once if the unit cycles on which might produce enough locally for you to smell. Since the refrigerant is heavier than air, it's not impossible for it to get selectively pushed out into one area of your house since your supply air plenum probably looks like an octopus with supply ducting coming out in different locations and at different heights on the plenum.

Do you detect the odor every time your HVAC turns on? Or only at certain times, like after the HVAC has been off for an extended period of time? To me, the smell showing up only after extended periods off would support the really slow leak possibility as it would allow for more accumulation / higher concentration pushed out when the unit does cycle on which you are more likely to detect. If you smell it every time, I would look elsewhere as that would be a large leak and very quickly you will run out of refrigerant charge for the system to work. The easy look out here is HVAC run time cycles increasing / increasing cold supply air temps.

If you do think it's possibly refrigerant, your HVAC guy should be able to put UV dye in the system to pinpoint the leak with a blacklight. If you are more DIY inclined, there are relatively cheap, handheld electronic refrigerant detectors these days that pick up fluorocarbons that should go off if it is refrigerant and it's strong enough that you can smell it. Both of these options would be relatively cheap checks vs. jumping off on a HVAC system component replacement.

Full disclosure, I say all of this having never had to personally deal with a residential HVAC system leak. I have dealt with multiple HVAC refrigerant leaks in vehicles and also have spent 15 years working in chemical plants troubleshooting those systems and solving problems not completely dis-similar from this. Good luck.
tgivaughn
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HVAC is not my game other than wrestling with such problems since the 70s locally.

Some things to investigate DIY before you call a real expert:

https://www.clarke-rush.com/dangerous-furnace-smells-shouldnt-ignore/
there's a paragraph on hospital smells

My first suspect was mentioned here in top paragraph
https://www.answers.com/Q/Why_does_your_car_car_smell_like_antiseptic_in_a_hospital_when_your_ac_is_on

This long winded article is worthy only because it suggests an improved filter for your HVAC but certainly not the high dollar one depicted herein
https://timilon.com/commercial-odor-solutions-for-hospital-smells/

Some were finding success with a product Google can no longer find but offers some similar solutions
https://www.google.com/search?q=BMW-KLEEN-AIR-Car-Air-Conditioner-Cleaner-Purifier-Aircon&rlz=1C1GGGE___US945US945&oq=BMW-KLEEN-AIR-Car-Air-Conditioner-Cleaner-Purifier-Aircon&aqs=chrome..69i57.718j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

What DOES it smell like?
FREON Freon usually travels through closed copper coils in an AC unit, but these coils can crack and result in an AC coolant leak. A freon leak will produce a smell between sweet and chloroform. Freon leaks can be toxic.
PURON R410A does have a slight smell, vaguely of ether. The gas is non toxic in small quantities, and non flammable, but is as asphyxiant in high concentrations, e.g. should the system dump its entire charge into a small space then open windows and doors to ventilate the area.


Finally, a mostly worthless article that tries to be a jack of all trades but master of none.
https://phyxter.ai/blog/the-6-common-air-conditioning-smells-and-what-they-mean

Short-hand answers here ... long-hand help here ....
http://pages.suddenlink.net/tgivaughn/
Counterpoint
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This is incredible stuff, thanks everyone. I'm going to be researching all these links! N8Dawg, I know next to nothing about HVAC (as you can probably tell from my replies). I DO know that this isn't a sweet smell. I can say that for sure. Maybe it smells like chloroform/ether but I have no idea what those smell like. If I had to guess those smells, I would guess they're similar to rubbing alcohol?
AgAcGuy12
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Do you have a UV light installed on the system? It could be concentrations of Ozone due to the UV light or Reme Halo. Typically you won't smell it throughout the house but you will smell it occasionally in rooms nearest the AC that don't have high traffic such as a closet.
coastalAg
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We could smell chemicals last year when our evaporator coil was leaking. I would have someone come look at it.
N8Dawg05
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Ethers and alcohols are very similar molecularly. Their odors would not be terribly different, but that will to some degree depend on exactly what compound it is. Rubbing alcohol is a pretty heavy alcohol and to me has a slightly different odor than say ethanol, for instance.

In day-to-day life, you're most likely to run into something like dimethyl ether (DME) which is commonly used as propellant in aerosol paints for example. DME can also be used in polyurethane foams as the blowing agent. In general, ethers are a light, sweetish smell or at least that how I would best describe it.

Ozone as AgAcGuy suggested would have a markedly different smell. You will recognize it as the "clean" smell in the air after a thunderstorm; that's ozone. A UV sterilizing lamp can generate ozone. Also, just like lightening in the sky generates ozone in a rainstorm, free arcing electricity generates ozone (if you've ever witnessed that). Ozone is highly reactive though and even if you get a fairly large puff of it in a room, it should dissipate very rapidly, again think of the thunderstorm and how quickly that "clean" smell goes away after the storm passes. If the smell is persistent all the time, I would lean towards it's not ozone.

I think the easiest way to rule the HVAC in or out is to cycle the system off for a while (maybe up to a couple hours), see if the smell in the effected room dissipates, and then stand in the room while someone else cycles the system back while someone stands in the room. If the smell comes back quickly after air starts coming out of the supply register, then I would conclude it's related to your HVAC somehow. If you cycle the HVAC off and the smell never dissipates or doesn't discernably change when the HVAC cycles back on, then I would conclude it's something else.
Counterpoint
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I don't smell it AT ALL when I get on a chair and stand directly under the vent as it's on. Wouldn't it be the strongest there? And I've been trying the cycle on/off thing and it seems to vary, as strange as that sounds. How long would the DME smell last?
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