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Looking for advice on building a patio cover. Here are some of the details:

10x12
Not attached to the house, but just under the eave
Will be attaching posts to concrete patio
Slightly sloped metal roof
Thinking of framing the roof out with 2x4's, 16" OC

Questions:

4x4 or 6x6 posts?
4 posts or 6?
How y'all should the posts be? 8' seems too short, but that's just me
Decking? I would think so as I'll be using a standing seam metal roof

Thanks.
Builder93
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This has so many variables. How tall is you existing house? Will it have a pitch? You will need to brace it. How will you do that? If you answer these, maybe someone else can get you going. You need someone on site to help.
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Builder93 said:

This has so many variables. How tall is you existing house? Will it have a pitch? You will need to brace it. How will you do that? If you answer these, maybe someone else can get you going. You need someone on site to help.


Good call on the bracing. I measured from the patio to the eave but forgot what it was. I'll do that in the morning.

Yes, slight pitch down from the house.
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scd88 said:

Looking for advice on building a patio cover. Here are some of the details:

10x12
Not attached to the house, but just under the eave
Will be attaching posts to concrete patio
Slightly sloped metal roof
Thinking of framing the roof out with 2x4's, 16" OC

Questions:

4x4 or 6x6 posts?
4 posts or 6?
How y'all should the posts be? 8' seems too short, but that's just me
Decking? I would think so as I'll be using a standing seam metal roof

Thanks.



As Builder mentioned, there are a lot of variables loaded in your questions. Pictures of what you're wanting to do would be helpful, whether it's a pergola type structure (joists on top of perpendicular beams) or joists inside of a perimeter beam and all tops flush with each other, or something else.

Under the soffit- hopefully your soffit is pretty high, at a 10' run (I assume the metal will run the shorter direction) you'll want about 15" of fall over 10', or 1.5"/12". Less is feasible but not preferable. So if your soffit is 9' from the patio, at 10' out from the house, the top of the metal will be less than 8', and even lower to the bottom of the beam carrying the rafters, unless you're making the top of them flush with your beam that runs post to post.

Post need to be 6x6 at a minimum, 4x4's will warp and twist in no time, you'll get better results with cedar over pressure treated, but I still wouldn't put a roof on 4x4's.

Posts attached to concrete, no matter how you do it, aren't going to be stable to lateral wind loads. So you'll need diagonal bracing at the post to beam in both directions.

2x4 joists are too small in my opinion, 2x6 would be best.

Decking is a preference, a lot of standing seam roofs allow you to place the bracket where you want so you could install 1x4 lathe at 24" OC. But plywood decking would look better, but also add weight.

Don't cheap out on materials, fasteners, methods, etc. Make sure fasteners are rated for pressure treated lumber, etc.

Make sure you stain or seal it when you're done, this will help protect it from sun damage, which can cause as many issues or more than water damage over time.

Good luck...



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Good stuff. Thanks.
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If you're doing a metal roof, just check the installation guide for whatever product you get. Some require decking and underlay, others can be put on purlins.
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I did one at our old house, but it wasn't close to the house itself. 6x6 posts, lots of bracing built in. I used Ondura instead of metal for the roofing. I also did radiant barrier decking. It wasn't much more than regular plywood but it did seem to help a little with the heat.
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I've decided to put 6x6 posts concreted in the ground as my base. I'm getting a 12x12 patio poured next week as an addition my existing patio and am going to have those guys set the posts for me.
scd88
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Great advice on this thread - thank you.

Decided to plant 6x6 posts into the ground in concrete and pour the new patio around them. Sanded the posts down as they were pretty rough, sprayed the ends with Flex Seal and applied a few coats of boiled linseed oil to deter the posts from absorbing water from the ground.

Based upon the view we have here, the roof line will start at the 8'6 mark on the posts closest to the house and go down to 8' on the ones farthest away. I need to cut the tops of the posts.

My plan is for the framing to be 2x6 with the cross bracing. I will attach the outside 2x6's with lag bolts through the posts. Screws everywhere else.

I'll stain and waterproof it once the framing is done.
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Why did you make the choice to bury the posts as opposed to mounting them to the slab?
scd88
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txag2008 said:

Why did you make the choice to bury the posts as opposed to mounting them to the slab?


Fair question. Main thing is stability. I'm going to put weight on these posts with the framing and a solid roof. The wind will catch it and put pressure on how it's connected to the ground.

toolshed above had some good suggestions and so far I'm following them. He said it better than me.

A post attached with screws into the concrete is more likely to have issues than one that is planted 18" into the ground.

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Mine is over the roof but not attached to the house. The gutter catches all rain run off although I did add a metal sheet that goes in the gutter to prevent wind blown rain getting through.


scd88
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Nice! Thanks for the pics. I may send you a PM to ask more specific questions about what you did.
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I didn't add decking. We just screwed the tin down on top of the supports. Love to sit under it when it rains.

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That looks great. I have a pergola that is set up in a similar position as yours that I'd like to put a roof on. Would you put up some pics of your gutter setup under the roof line with the sheet metal? What pitch is your porch roof?
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AgTrip said:

Mine is over the roof but not attached to the house. The gutter catches all rain run off although I did add a metal sheet that goes in the gutter to prevent wind blown rain getting through.



That looks kind of like something I had in mind for our place, overhanging the roof but not attached to the house. We have a nice long back porch and want to add a simple kitchen/cooking center just off of it to get the smoke away easier. Did you have plans for that? The metal sheet you mentioned for the gutter, is that installed vertically?
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scd88 said:

txag2008 said:

Why did you make the choice to bury the posts as opposed to mounting them to the slab?


Fair question. Main thing is stability. I'm going to put weight on these posts with the framing and a solid roof. The wind will catch it and put pressure on how it's connected to the ground.

toolshed above had some good suggestions and so far I'm following them. He said it better than me.

A post attached with screws into the concrete is more likely to have issues than one that is planted 18" into the ground.


There's nothing wrong with sinking the posts into the ground, but they will rot eventually, no way around that.

You can get plenty of uplift and load support from a Simpson post base with a concrete anchor, or you can buy the post frame brackets with welded dba's and wet set them.

https://www.fastenersplus.com/Simpson-ABU66Z-6x6-Adjustable-Post-Base-Zmax-Finish

txag2008
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This was why I had asked. Like you said, the posts will rot when direct buried. That being said, it'll probably take longer to rot than what the pergola will end up lasting.
scd88
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The posts are in concrete and have been sealed 2' up and above the grade level with multiple layers of boiled linseed oil and flex seal. They are not in dirt.

txag2008
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Understood. They are direct buried, in concrete.

Will eventually have issues with rot, but probably not in a short enough time span to worry about it.
toolshed
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I'd venture they last 30+ years the method he used.

My issue with deck mounted post bases is that they allow the structure to rack and move. They require more diagonal bracing to keep them stable, which sometimes works depending on the design of the structure.
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Col. Steve Austin said:

AgTrip said:

Mine is over the roof but not attached to the house. The gutter catches all rain run off although I did add a metal sheet that goes in the gutter to prevent wind blown rain getting through.



That looks kind of like something I had in mind for our place, overhanging the roof but not attached to the house. We have a nice long back porch and want to add a simple kitchen/cooking center just off of it to get the smoke away easier. Did you have plans for that? The metal sheet you mentioned for the gutter, is that installed vertically?


Yes I attached it vertically to close that gap between gutter and tin roof.
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scd88 said:

The posts are in concrete and have been sealed 2' up and above the grade level with multiple layers of boiled linseed oil and flex seal. They are not in dirt.


The problem is, you just took a moist sponge and stuck it in a cup in the ground. While you may not get water in at the base, you will get water in from above and now the water that accumulates in the base of the post has no where to go. If you are going to bury a wood post, it's ideal to bury the bottom 6" in gravel and then place your concrete so water can escape.

But since you aren't expecting this thing to last a century, no worries and you've done better than 98% of folks with your prep.
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AgTrip said:

Mine is over the roof but not attached to the house. The gutter catches all rain run off although I did add a metal sheet that goes in the gutter to prevent wind blown rain getting through.



Bumping an old thread I know... but I would love to talk more with you about this!
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Does this slope towards house so run off would be caught by house gutter? Hard to tell in pics.


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AgTrip said:

I didn't add decking. We just screwed the tin down on top of the supports. Love to sit under it when it rains.
https://f5s-img.s3.amazonaws.com/000/24/a7/24a71296373ba5da3133a0298962f0c326b15f43_462551_u111346.jpg
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Does this slope towards house so run off would be caught by house gutter? Hard to tell in pics.

Sorry for the double post.
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AgTrip gets an A+ from us!
Exactly what we recommend.
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