first lesson with a new coach

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Moved on from GOLFTEC and had my first lesson today with a new coach. He fixed my backswing/plane issues in about 30 mins. Working on turning my hands over now. I was dealing with a pull and pull hook, and he gave me a new grip and takeaway. I was struggling with my top position, and he was the first guy to explain to me that my issues were based on how I was starting the ball. Just an awesome experience. I finished up by striping an 8 iron 180 with a little draw a couple of times. Now it's range time and heading back in 2 weeks for session two.

TLDR, take lessons. It's fun and makes golf more fun. Can't wait to post on the F Golf thread!
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Sup, Bryson!! Congrats on winning the US Open!!!
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I've never used Golftec, but people I have played with that were taking lessons there were extremely mechanical with their swing. Small sample size but it seemed as if they had 7 things going through their head while trying to hit the ball.
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bowhuntr said:

I've never used Golftec, but people I have played with that were taking lessons there were extremely mechanical with their swing. Small sample size but it seemed as if they had 7 things going through their head while trying to hit the ball.


I really liked golftec but I wanted to get with someone different to see what they said. For all my work with them, we never worked on my takeaway at all. I was trying to work on my path and face when we ended, and it was a fight.

In one lesson with the new coach, I went from -1.5 to + 2 path so we started working in closing the face down to get that tennis topspin feel. I was zeroed out across the board by the end. Turns out my super strong grip had me trying to hold the face open so now it's about dropping and turning over.

I'm a stats/technical guy. Golftec got me with a decent swing, but I'm glad I've moved on to a new coach to fine tune it. My goal is to figure out the driver to eliminate some silly OB balls, so we'll see what happens. I'm excited though. There's still putting and problems with 75 and in, but I'm here for it. I'm sitting at a 16 and my hope is to get to 10 at some point in the near future.

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Nice. Takeaway is crucial. Look at Nelly, Justin Thomas, likely others with their pre shot. Grooving that first club position on the backswing. I believe most amateurs wrap it around their body too quickly, creating all sorts of issues. Interesting Golftec never worked on that.

One other thing I rarely see is a coach work on the proper lower body movement / sequence in a shot. I've taken from three-four different instructors and they never addressed it. I was at a lesson for my daughter and her coach had the simplest explanation and drill to get her weight finishing nicely over the left heel. Most instructors like to focus on the upper body it seems.
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Hope you see some good results. Keep grinding away.
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I'm about 6 lessons in to Golftec. My irons are so much more consistent now than before.

They are very unpersonalized in their approach. They put your swing side by side with a pro and try to get your body and arms to the same position throughout the swing.

I'm striping my 8 iron 190+ pretty consistently now. Was a 155ish club before. Being in the right swing plane let's you really swing a lot harder.
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JTA1029 said:

I'm striping my 8 iron 190+ pretty consistently now.
That's Bryson and Rory territory and their lofts are juiced.

I guess it's not impossible but people tend to exaggerate how far they hit.
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And these places set up their simulators so they are downwind or at high altitudes
Old Tom Morris
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Grip. Stance. Initial takeaway. In the vast majority of cases, I think teaching should be focused entirely on only these 3 things. What happens after that (1) happens so quickly that it is extremely hard to change or control (especially when trying to take it from the range to the course) and (2) really just boils down to talent or lack thereof. But if you can start off in the right position which is much more controllable, you set everything else up for success.
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Unemployed said:

JTA1029 said:

I'm striping my 8 iron 190+ pretty consistently now.
That's Bryson and Rory territory and their lofts are juiced.

I guess it's not impossible but people tend to exaggerate how far they hit.

I can hit my 56 wedge that far. Of course anything hit really thin goes a mile especially when you are trying to flip it 30 yards.
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Someone took a sharpie to his 6 iron
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What's your 8 iron loft? These power spec modern lofts are equivalent to the traditional 6 iron lofts of the past. I play a 48 degree PW, 44 9, 40 8, and so on down the bag. Really have to watch the actual lofts when trying out new clubs.
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Okay to be fair, the yardage is there but I didn't realize how massively pulled most of those shots were until I looked at the skytrak data.
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C ROC N said:

What's your 8 iron loft? These power spec modern lofts are equivalent to the traditional 6 iron lofts of the past. I play a 48 degree PW, 44 9, 40 8, and so on down the bag. Really have to watch the actual lofts when trying out new clubs.

It's a P790 (2021), so 35. I think that's stronger than standard. Then you got all the speed foam and blah blah blah. I don't really care about how far it was going. I've always been able to muscle the ball out there. The odd thing to me was that with the new grip and takeaway, i was able to find the face much easier with a smaller swing. The coach kept saying "I know this feels like a mini swing, but it's all you need." The ball was going farther with less effort.

As for the session itself:

The lesson was inside in the bay for 30 mins on video locking in the move, then outside at the range for about 20 so the coach could see the ball flying, then back inside for 10 to follow up on video and planning the practice and next session.

For the record, my problem was left pull with the occasional pull hook. I was also off the toe more often than not.

After hitting a few, he set me up with a new grip that feels weird but is more neutral and has less shaft lean.

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For takeaway, I was sweeping it back under the swing plane instead of up. We talked a bit about how golf is a game of opposites. I was trying the take the club back low, thinking it would help me stay inside on the way back through. He showed me how to shallow, saying that I actually have to take it back up and higher with the clubhead almost on a loop, making a reverse C shape to the ball. Still have work to do here, but you can see the difference is pretty dramatic. To be fair, I had heard this from my old coach, but I had always thought about it as my hands. This new coach spent a lot of time talking about manipulating and moving the clubhead and face. I don't know why it didn't click before, but this guy spoke my language.

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I was also taking it back with my arms instead of setting my wrists earlier in the swing. He said it was because I was too under the ball, but if I'm being honest, I thought locking my arms into place was what I was supposed to be doing. But I was hinging at the top as opposed to early, so I was getting a lot of momentum that was carrying the club head back too far, and my grip was keeping it closed. Consequently, I was fighting to keep it open on the downswing. You can see the crazy difference in the top position of the "mini swing" compared to my old top position.

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The trick now is learning how to be more handsy/wristy. It's more akin to hitting a topspin in tennis than anything. I have to drop the clubhead and start working my wrists over to square the clubface on impact. Previously, I was just trying to hold it as much as possible and not using my hands or wrists at all. I think that was also making me swing with my shoulders more, and it was locking me up on my follow through.

Anyway, turns were good. Weight transfer was good. Swaying was good. This manipulation of the clubface is going to take a lot of practice to get comfortable with, but I went from pulls and pull hooks to pushes, straights, and draws over the course of the session. It was absolutely incredible when I connected well.

Honestly, kind of embarrassed that my fundamentals were this bad after so long on video at golftec, but I think I had so much to fix with rotation and sway and all the other stuff that this wasn't the focus yet.
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Much better. You got a good instructor. I've dropped about 5-7shots on my HC in the last 12-16 months making similar changes.
Golf is lot more fun. Hope it will be for you too. Keep grinding
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MW03 said:




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I hate your old grip. It's terrible. I don't like your new grip either. It's better but it could be better. IMO, grip is the most important. Look at the position and shape of the forefinger. Just so you know, I'm not trying to be hateful rather be helpful. Love you man.


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Ok! so where/who did you go to?
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My old grip is a hold over from a modified baseball swing I used to cure a wicked slice. I just got better swinging a golf club without changing it (except on driver). I agree though that it was a garbage "battle field" dressing on a problem that needed more treatment.

I figure my next move is to get these clubs looked at again by the fitter since my swing has changed so much to see if my lie is still correct.
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lazuras_dc said:

Ok! so where/who did you go to?

PGA of America Coaching Center at the new HQ in Frisco. I'm with Pablo Del Olmo who used to teach at the Woodlands Country Club.
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Cool! I had a lesson scheduled at Woodlands CC when I was there last month but got canceled due to rain. Since then I've had a eureka moment in my golf swing so trying to work on that. But I only hit my 8 iron like 145 =P
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MW03 said:

My old grip is a hold over from a modified baseball swing I used to cure a wicked slice. I just got better swinging a golf club without changing it (except on driver). I agree though that it was a garbage "battle field" dressing on a problem that needed more treatment.

I figure my next move is to get these clubs looked at again by the fitter since my swing has changed so much to see if my lie is still correct.
Not a bad idea to have the clubs looked at for lies. I wouldn't think it changed much unless you have a completely different set up.

You may not be able to hit the ball with consistency of pros but there are 2 things in golf you can do just like the pros.

1. Grip the club
2. Set up

And these 2 static aspects of golf can be practiced at home any time.

I can't stress enough about correct grip. If you ever go to a PGA event, look at how meticulously pros grip the club and set up. Faulty grip and faulty swing go hand in hand. It has taken me 5 years to neutralize my left strong grip I built due to 70s and 80s golf swing instruction that has me go severely into out with early extension which meant i needed a strong grip to able to shut the face.

Work on your grip.
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Scottie uses a grip training aid every time he is on the range.
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aggiebonzo said:

Scottie uses a grip training aid every time he is on the range.
For real?

Is it commercially available? I still struggle with my left hand creep to strong position - hooken-F er.
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He uses something similar to this to start his range session. Hits like 15 shots with it then takes it off for the rest of his warmup but he said this aid is one of the most important parts to his warm up as he has a tendency to unconsciously misgrip the club. https://www.golfworks.com/the-golfworks-training-grips/p/rtg/?sku=RTG-STD-RH&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw1emzBhB8EiwAHwZZxYNxBK9vYZqGRyeE0zrg0_0twrJHzB78BwrtEhzS55ZM1WissgcFABoCOCUQAvD_BwE

Here's a picture of him practicing with it at the masters
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aggiebonzo said:

He uses something similar to this to start his range session. Hits like 15 shots with it then takes it off for the rest of his warmup but he said this aid is one of the most important parts to his warm up as he has a tendency to unconsciously misgrip the club. https://www.golfworks.com/the-golfworks-training-grips/p/rtg/?sku=RTG-STD-RH&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw1emzBhB8EiwAHwZZxYNxBK9vYZqGRyeE0zrg0_0twrJHzB78BwrtEhzS55ZM1WissgcFABoCOCUQAvD_BwE

Here's a picture of him practicing with it at the masters

I have given away about a half dozen of these over the years because I use mine all the time. I keep it in my bag, and occasionally will bring it up shooting the breeze with people I get paired up with.
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dang it....i had to buy one.
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AggieDruggist89 said:

dang it....i had to buy one.
lmao they ought to give my commission at this point.

I like it because I too used to have an overly strong left hand (which then I went overly weak), but this is right in the middle. I also like it because it goes on top of any of your clubs and fits in your bag.
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khaos288 said:

aggiebonzo said:

He uses something similar to this to start his range session. Hits like 15 shots with it then takes it off for the rest of his warmup but he said this aid is one of the most important parts to his warm up as he has a tendency to unconsciously misgrip the club. https://www.golfworks.com/the-golfworks-training-grips/p/rtg/?sku=RTG-STD-RH&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw1emzBhB8EiwAHwZZxYNxBK9vYZqGRyeE0zrg0_0twrJHzB78BwrtEhzS55ZM1WissgcFABoCOCUQAvD_BwE

Here's a picture of him practicing with it at the masters

I have given away about a half dozen of these over the years because I use mine all the time. I keep it in my bag, and occasionally will bring it up shooting the breeze with people I get paired up with.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1091446331776138

Padraig using the same aid.
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Received the grip trainer. It has me weaken my right hand a bit more but it melds my hands together more. Will try this evening at the Wednesday league.
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Got discounts on the MISIG and Reks sunglasses.

SKLZ, you're on the clock.
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Winn dri tax have alignment marks on the grips. I question if the grip isn't perfectly aligned to the face how that changes things.

I own msig and reks. So I'm obviously going to get one of these trainers. But how do you know it's aligned properly?
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Yeah, the grip trainer is legit. Not a whole Lotta difference on full swing for me but I've not chipped this solid in decades. Had my lob wedge chips with solid contact and beautiful trajectory.
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khaos288 said:

AggieDruggist89 said:

dang it....i had to buy one.
lmao they ought to give my commission at this point.

I like it because I too used to have an overly strong left hand (which then I went overly weak), but this is right in the middle. I also like it because it goes on top of any of your clubs and fits in your bag.


So I ordered one of these things, and maybe I'm an idiot, but how on earth are you supposed to slide it on top of a club? Over the grip, or do I need to grip a club with this thing to practice?
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NM. I'm a confirmed idiot. You were talking about the skilz thing, not the actual grip.
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