Johnny Miller, I hate you.

I'm surprised he hasn't found time to belittle Payne's career in some backhanded compliment during these little poignant moments they run from time to time.

Did you hear yesterday when someone mentioned 63 and he said, "that's my number".

I hate you, Johnny Miller.

He doesn't bother me. He was a great player. Won 8 times in one year during the prime of Nicklaus, Trevno, Watson, Player, etc.

^ not challenging the fact that he was a good player, but Jack, Arnie, et all don't constantly tell you about their wins and how good they "were"

Strong disdain for that clown.

They aren't announcers either.

Miller and Berman are both ******bags and I put the tv on mute when either are commentating.

Miller came from 6 back and leap frogged 11 players by shooting the lowest round ever in a major with 63 at Oakmont to win the 1973 U S Open. If you can walk the walk..........

63 has been matched since but never in round 4.

Yeah we all know that Miller was a good player who had an all time great round. Doesn't change the fact that he's an insecure dbag who is awful to listen to.

I like Miller, but that's because I find his inflated ego windbag moments entertaining. He does offer some decent insight and I like an announcer that doesn't try to buff peters. I probably couldn't listen to it every week and I like Faldo better, but I don't mind some windbag Johnny mixed in. At least he does have some skins.

My favorite moment today was after they did the puff piece on Fowler and his wearing the knickers. They discuss Fowler's game a bit after, and Miller deadpans "he 's been all hat no cattle in his career so far". And as abrasive as that may be, he's right.

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Blue star for Danny...

Love how Miller pisses off everyone on this board.

Damn sure better than that dumb broad saying "just a delightful golf shot" ad nauseum.

I like how he predicted that Kaymer was due to miss a 4 footer, since he'd been making everything, to that point.

Right on cue, Kaymer missed the 4 footer.

I basically agree with Danny but Miller does rub me the wrong way sometimes. In his mind, his career should be compared with Jack, Arnie and Tom Watson when it really should be compared to a guy like Nick Price. Both where the worlds best golfer for about 3 years but didn't have the staying power of a top ten all time player. In 'greatest golfer of all time' lists Miller usually shows up around 25-30.

NP

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That's pretty lofty, to be among the 25 or 30 best players of all time.

His comment about 63 was spot on. That 63 on sunday at Oakmont was probably the greatest round ever in a major.

I don't think Johnny compares his career to Jack and Co., nor thinks others should. I do think he has a high opinion of the great 3 year stretch of golf he played (and it was a helluva run against some of the greatest ever), but I've never gotten the sense he considered his full career to compare to the guys you mention. And at the same time, I've also heard him mock himself and his struggles many, many times too. I've also heard him be very humble in referring to Jack.

His career was still great but also includes a lot of "what could have been", and I think he's always acknowledged that.

He's largely just a crotchety ass that is tough on everyone (and it often comes off as very arrogant), and I think that included himself as a player. I think he beat himself up, lost confidence, and that is a big reason for the yips and fall-off he had.

[This message has been edited by DannyDuberstein (edited 6/17/2014 6:10p).]

I take no issue with him calling a bad shot what it is. If a guy dumps a wedge from the fairway into a bunker, it was a lousy shot and should be noted as such. The main problem I have with him is he is too often reluctant to acknowledge the good/great shots, or he undersells them.

Dustin Johnson hit a shot off the pine straw through the trees to about 15 feet (Sunday?). The on course announcer with the group was impressed (as was I). Miller? Not so much. I don't even recall if he said anything about the shot, never mind that it was a good/great recovery.

It just seems like he's comparing everything these guys do to what he would have done in his prime, and he can't bring himself to say, "great shot" without throwing in some other comment. Often the closest he'll come to it is saying, "He could hit 100 balls from there and not do that again." Okay, so you're kind of saying that it was a great shot, while also implying that the guy got lucky (couldn't be do to his skill, could it, Johnny?).

I will give him credit, however, for commenting that the gallery was not responding to Kaymer's play as they should have down the stretch. At one point Kaymer gutted a tee shot and Miller admonished the gallery for the smattering of applause he received, so it's not like he's completely dismissive of great play 100% of the time. It just seems that he's quick to criticize, and very slow to compliment.

almost anything but berman.

I think Faldo is a great commentator. He calls bad shots for what they are, but it is always with the empathy of someone who understands what it is to have the ability to hit a great shot and not pull it off. Miller calls bad shots for what they are, but it comes across as having the arrogance of someone who has never made a mistake.

I don't think Miller has an unrealistic view of what his career was, but his delivery makes him sound like a big jackass lots of the time. One of my big pet peeves is how he always refers to putts as being "easy." You think that he of all people would know that under the circumstances there is no such thing as an easy putt.

I think it's probably all driven from his personality. I am sure he was extremely hard on himself as a player and is talking about the guys on tour the way he would talk to himself in a tournament when he was playing. I doubt he's a bad guy; I just don't like his style as a commentator.

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I think Faldo is a great commentator. He calls bad shots for what they are, but it is always with the empathy of someone who understands what it is to have the ability to hit a great shot and not pull it off. Miller calls bad shots for what they are, but it comes across as having the arrogance of someone who has never made a mistake.

I don't think Miller has an unrealistic view of what his career was, but his delivery makes him sound like a big jackass lots of the time. One of my big pet peeves is how he always refers to putts as being "easy." You think that he of all people would know that under the circumstances there is no such thing as an easy putt.

I think it's probably all driven from his personality. I am sure he was extremely hard on himself as a player and is talking about the guys on tour the way he would talk to himself in a tournament when he was playing. I doubt he's a bad guy; I just don't like his style as a commentator.

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The worst is when he calls a 40 foot putt with 2 feet of break "easy." And he does that quite a bit. Almost every putt he ever describes is "easy," actually.

I can't imagine how unbearable Johnny Miller would be to some of you had he never gotten the yips.

I don't think he is bad and sometimes like his quips. It was nice having a color guy for the US Open actually being a past US Open winner, similar to Faldo with the Masters.

I guess we can listen to Norman recollect his ability to finish 2nd.

Johnny Miller has never hit a bad shot or misread a put in his life. At least that's what he'd probably tell you.

So you've never listened to him? He's not shy about his own weaknesses. The popular opinion on Texags is he's bad so people who have no idea what a player he was just fall in line.

I know he brings up his own weaknesses. I know he probably doesn't mean to come off like he does. But it just comes off like him sounding like a dick.

The post a few above explained it well.

There could be a 25 footer and he would say "this is really an easy put, huh Rog?"

and Roger would say "well Johnny, it does got right to left and it's a slippery one"

Then a guy leaves it 3 feet short and Johnny will just drop the 'not a very good effort there' in passing. Not like he means he sucks, but no 25 footer is easy, even straight in up the hill. He just says things that come off as dickish, whether he means it or not.

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So you've never listened to him? He's not shy about his own weaknesses. The popular opinion on Texags is he's bad so people who have no idea what a player he was just fall in line.

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Yes, that is what it is. You are the only person in the world that can think for yourself and that is why you see the genius in Johnny Miller the TV commentator. You are the only person that knows what kind of player he was, and because he was a good golfer, that automatically means he is a great tv commentator.

No I just don't hear the same thing as you I guess. Maybe I just prefer someone who says what he actually thinks.

And yes I do recall his 3 year stretch when he won 14 tournaments when Nicklaus, Trevino, Player and some other pretty good players we're the competition. That was pretty impressive. I think Dan Hicks defers to him as he should.

I also really like Faldo but find Nantz insufferable.