what's wrong with tiger?

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booradley
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interested in your opinion...

a) lack of confidence
b) new swing
c) putter
d) caddie
e) all of the above

or give me another option or tell me there's nothing wrong....
98Ag99Grad
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Injuries and time catching-up to him. Guy won 5 times last year so I'm not exactly crying for him.
concac
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80% A and 20% B.
agzonfine
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Nothing. He's the 2nd best in the WORLD at what he does for a living and he's in his late 30's
aggie0109
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I think a lot of it has been the flat stick though, all the time he spent revamping his swing had to take away time working on the putting green. I still think he wins a major this year.
BreNayPop
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Confidence and flatstick 5050.

Seems like when he gets shot making he cant putt. When he putts well, they are all for par.

He is missing his aggressive confidence.
ElCheAg
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He needs to get married and have affairs again.
BarryProfit
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I just think he's rusty, sounds like the only holes he played after the pres cup were Lindsey's.
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watty
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I think we'd all just be guessing, so I won't venture a guess for the moment. But I tell you what, he is awful on par 5's now, and that used to be his guaranteed 10 birdies per tournament. He led the tour in par 5 birdie or better percentage for basically the entire decade of the 2000's, never being under 52%, and in 2012 and 2013, he was under 50% for the first time ever, and in 2014, he's at 17%. 17! And he just made bogey and par this morning on the first par 5s he faced.

As for why he's so terrible now on par 5's, it probably all plays into it. He isn't putting well right now. He half a stroke per round below tour average in strokes gained putting. So he's losing 2 strokes per tournament on the green relative to average.

He's not driving it well. Only 51% accuracy.

His approaches aren't great. Only hitting 57% of the greens.

Add all that up, and you can't birdie a par 5 anymore when that used to be the anchor of your entire game.

For the first time, I'm worried for Tiger. I've never wavered on my belief that he'd still easily pass Jack, but now, even though it's just a few tournaments in 2014, I'm starting to think maybe he is "done," for lack of a better term. He'll still have his weeks here and there, but the fact that he is regressing in what is now his third (?) full season with Foley makes me think he has lost whatever he used to have.

[This message has been edited by watty (edited 3/7/2014 8:42a).]
dcrewint
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Since he started off hot last year and failed to shine in majors maybe he's training for the majors! Treating these events as practice.....

Honestly though, I'd just say its a funk. Pros can go through them too. Rory last year is a prime example. We put Tiger on a pedestal, understandably so. Fact of the matter is, he is getting older, he relied on athleticism(I feel) early in his career. After injuries he is forced to be more technical and that could be something affecting him. He becomes a bit more of a head case when things go bad. He hasn't found his swagger yet, maybe he's hoping it shows up at Augusta.
Sidenote: 2 bogeys,1 double in the first 4 holes today. Just birdied the 5th hole of his day.(Found his swag?)

[This message has been edited by dcrewint (edited 3/7/2014 9:12a).]
OA_02
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Its putting and his body. When he was winning a ton, he made everything inside 10 feet. I have seen him miss more short putts lately than I remember in his prime. In addition to that, I think he is trying to maintain too much upper body mass which is affecting his effectiveness around the greens and his muscle memory. The injuries are probably part of that workout routine as well.
bilbobag
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Putting
AgDotCom
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Agree that he's just in a funk right now.

McIlroy is indeed a good example. And look at Stenson, he was playing the best golf in the world 6 months ago and not only does he shank a wedge off the planet yesterday, the look on his face during his rounds in 2014 is utter confusion. It's mind boggling.

Tiger can light it up and go deep without warning and I expect it to happen again this year. I don't think he passes Jack unless he wins one or two of the next 8 majors...he hasn't won one in almost 6 years, he has to do it now, not later.



aginlakeway
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I've never been a Tiger Woods fan, but I can certainly admire what he has accomplished on the golf course.

My opinion: There's very little wrong with him that's not the usual aging process. He's 38 years old but is still among the best, if not the best in the game. But he's 38 years old, with a body that's failing him. I think it's really that simple.
bilbobag
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They were talking yesterday that his swing speed is down 4-5 mph
bilbobag
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They were talking yesterday that his swing speed is down 4-5 mph
DannyDuberstein
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Part wear and tear and part flatstick issues. He was other worldly on the greens under pressure. He's the only player where in a major I'd expect any and everything under 12 feet to drop. Now he's come back closer to where we mortals reside. And it doesn't take much of an edge loss to go from dominant to just-can't-quite-get-there.
aginlakeway
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They were talking yesterday that his swing speed is down 4-5 mph


That's what happens when you get older.
bilbobag
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This could be dumb but is it possible to lift to do to much weights in the gym?
El Mero Guero
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When the escorts run dry for a while, he enters a slump. Need to get the hooker/pornstar pipeline runninig at full throttle again. He'll be alright.
dcrewint
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And, as we were talking he has birdied 15, 16 and 17...
watty
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Oddly enough after going +5 through his first 5 holes on the back 9, he's made three straight birdies.
DannyDuberstein
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I don't think it's the weights. He still won a ton of majors after he beefed up.

I think it's mostly wear and tear from the swing itself and the fact he's had an incredibly dedicated practice regimen since he was knee high. His left knee is worn to **** because of it, and I think the rest is probably wearing down some too. He's always been a swing tinkerer, chasing the perfect swing and unafraid to make major changes. What does that lead to? Even more friggin practice than you'd probably otherwise be doing.

[This message has been edited by DannyDuberstein (edited 3/7/2014 9:55a).]
BarryProfit
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LOL, he won 5 times last year and he's #1 in the world. He's started poorly this year but he hasn't yet played much. Probably should tap the brakes a little bit on the arm chair analysis.
TexAgs Legend
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Nothing is wrong with Tiger at all. He's still the best in the game today, I think it's just that the courses are set up unfairly for him. The PGA doesn't want him to succeed because they want to give exposure to the young guns coming up and are pushing them at Tiger's expense. That being said, he's still the large favorite at Augusta and I'd be surprised if he didn't still end up in the 20-25 major victory range.
98Ag99Grad
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I've never been a Tiger Woods fan, but I can certainly admire what he has accomplished on the golf course.

My opinion: There's very little wrong with him that's not the usual aging process. He's 38 years old but is still among the best, if not the best in the game. But he's 38 years old, with a body that's failing him. I think it's really that simple.
BigHitterDaLama
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F. No more random sex with Hookers, pornstars, Waffle House waitresses and probably even your sister.
bilbobag
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They were saying he was lacking reps or playing time especially with the withdrawal last week. Said in offseason, if that's what you call it, did a lot in weight room and not much on course.

[This message has been edited by bilbobag (edited 3/7/2014 1:56p).]
booradley
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I don't know how to copy a quote from another poster...

but to the poster who said TIger will win 20 - 25 majors...

I think that's impossible any more...
and I no longer think he'll break jack's record..

for perspective... tiger has 14 majors. PHil has 5.

for tiger to break jack's record - he has to add basically Phil's lifetime of work...

I don't think it happens. and watching him at DOral this week - doesn't look like he'll win anything anytime soon...

hence: what's wrong with tiger?
BarryProfit
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He will win at Bay Hill.
DannyDuberstein
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There was a time when I thought he'd win at least 25. I'm not ready to rule out Jack's record, but if I was a betting man, I'd feel better about putting my cash on <18 than > 18 at this point.

If someone told me years ago that he'd go 6 years without a major through his mid-30's - the prime of most pro golfers, I would have thought they were out of their ****ing mind. Either that or that he must have been Hogan'd by a bus. I still can't believe we're having this debate.

[This message has been edited by DannyDuberstein (edited 3/7/2014 3:22p).]
Funky Winkerbean
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Sean Foley

Too mechanical.


Guy is the most talented person in his profession, and IMO should just go play golf based on feel as opposed to playing as a mechanical robot.


This. Tiger has gotten too robotic and has lost the "art" he used to play with. When Tiger was the stud you could feel him saying "watch this" and then he'd hit a great shot.
El Mero Guero
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That's how I get sometimes...I have to just remind myself to cool off, relax, and swing MY swing. Tiger reminds me of me at times...I see a bit of myself in him.
BarryProfit
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Was he "too mechanical" last year when he won 5 times?
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