I may be stereotyping, and for that I apologize. However, is it just me, or do Koreans (or is t asian golfers in general) just not understand that when you have a single pushing you (and no players in front of them for 2 holes), you're supposed to let him by?



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I think it used to be that singles weren't considered to have any standing or rights on the course and had to yield to any and all other groups. Maybe this has something to do with it?

If there is any sort of gap in front of me, I'll always let faster people through, regardless of number.

We've always been told that 4somes have discretion on whether to let non 4somes play through. If there is a place for them to go in front of us, we'll generally let them through rather than have them go "hands on hips" on us.

[This message has been edited by pedro_martinez (edited 3/24/2010 4:39p).]

If the course isn't crowded, I'll let anyone play through. On the weekend, when it's busy. Tough sh!!t. I used to play courses by myself when I'm working out of town. Now, I just find a driving range. I always felt awkward being a single and running up on everyone.

Golf etiquette says a onesome has no rights over a foursome, like HouAggie said. However, most foursome will let a single play through.

But doesn't golf etiquette also dictate that a player (or players) must keep up pace of play with the group in front of them (which happen to be a 5-some), so as not to allow two freaking holes to open up in front of them?

It just so happens that in my experience, the majority of the time(s) I (as a single or with other playing partners) have not been allowed to play through is when there are Korean golfers [cue stereotype/] in front of me.

That's the biggest thing that pisses me off at my club, buts it's old timers not Asians. Come to think of it ivenever seen an Asian on my courses. The old farts continue to refuse to allow me to play through despite the fact I will split the fairway right up their ass for three holes straight when they are on their third shot. Drives me nuts. It is one of the things that is making me think about dropping the membership and move to another club in town. Too many old farts. Asians are fine.

To slow me down a little if I'm solo, I like to play "worst ball". Basically, you hit two shots (guess you could do 3 if you were crazy) and you always take the worst shot of the two.

It really sucks if your worst shot is OB...then you have to tee up two more again.

Worst ball, huh? I'll have to give it a try.

Putting is probably the hardest part. I rarely make a birdie, b/c even if I hit two shots within 20ft or so, I've now got to make the putt twice for it to be a birdie. It helps you focus on every shot though.

A single has no right of way on the the Golf course. It's at the group's discretion to let a single play through.

Them's the breaks if you are a single.

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I normally let faster players/groups through, but I don't have an obligation to do so.

And worst ball is a nightmare. I have trouble keeping 1 of 2 in bounds some days.

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If the course isn't crowded, I'll let anyone play through. On the weekend, when it's busy. Tough sh!!t.

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My philosophy as well. If it's stacked up in front of me, you aren't going anywhere no matter how many you have in your group. I'm not going to let you through just to sit behind you instead of all of the groups I've been behind all day. But if it's relatively open and you have the prospect of getting on through and moving on, I'll let anyone faster go on through. I'm a fast player that likes to keep it moving and appreciates the courtesy when slower/bigger groups let me through, so I'm fine with granting other fast players the same courtesy - if there is room for them to go.

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My question is if your out there just playing by yourself why are you in such a hurry to get done playing?

I like to relax on the golf course, enjoy the day. No way am I in a hurry to get off the course.

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I tend to want to play fast when playing by myself. I think it's pretty boring compared to playing with friends. I look it as a chance to work on my game & often hit some practice shots.

When I'm playing with a group (and especially when the birdie juice is flowing), I don't really care about time unless I have somewhere to be.

There is a difference between playing fast and rushing. It's not like I'm in a hurry.

Also, playing faster helps your game. Much easier to get in a rhythm and stay in a rhythm when you're not standing around for awhile between shots.

And I do have a wife and two little kids, so shorter rounds generally leads to more rounds. Always a good thing.


[This message has been edited by Danny Duberstein (edited 3/25/2010 5:34p).]

I was not in a hurry. It's just that when I'm waiting too long per shot, it's difficult for me to find a rhythm.

I understand that a foursome does NOT have to let a single through. But what takes precedence in golf etiquette? Foursome not having to let a single through, or a foursome not playing at an acceptable pace? (They allowed a fivesome in front of them to get two whole holes ahead! On the front nine alone!!!)


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If they're super slow and won't let you play through, just pass 'em. Yes, I know you're playing holes out of order, but it's not a PGA tourney.

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Patentag---Do you think you will be an old fart someday?
I am the youngest guy in our group, we have a 77, 79, and 89 year old farts and we play 18 in 3 1/2 hours

A few thoughts...

If you are a club member and are a single playing behind a foursome, you need to make some friends and stop playing as a single. It's a Golf CLUB. A social thing. Join your MGA.

If you're a single on a daily fee course, well, you're just screwed. Playing two balls can help, and it will help your game. It takes 10 seconds to reach into your bag and throw 3 golf balls down randomly around the green, and then play those shots.

Or if you're in a hurry, I guess you can just hit into them as often as it takes to get their attention.

I play in a foursome most of the time. If it's jammed up in front of us, we will ask you to join us. If it's open we will let you thru when it's convenient. We know you're back there, and you should know that if you see a foursome, there is money involved.


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Not really.

Most public courses I've played clearly have written on the scorecard (as part of the course rules) something to the effect:

"Let faster groups through."

It may not fit under golf etiquette, but it is a rule that some clubs/courses have.

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you are right and I general have nothing against the old guys out there, but far too many of them have this "this is my club, what is a young guy like you even doing here" attitude despite the fact I paid probably 10x their initiation fee and on top of it I think some of these guys pride themselves on slowing down younger faster groups bhind them. I have zero problem with any guy regardless of age that plays fast or if they don't play fast have the courtesy to let a single or double (or an entire foursome) thru if they are slow as he'll lining up every putt for triple bogey as if it is to win the masters when it is wide open in front.

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Yes really.

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"Let faster groups through."

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Is a single considered a group?

If I'm playing as a single I'll ask the starter to match me up with another group. It might involve me waiting a couple of minutes but no big deal.

There are times when I go after work and play by myself. If I'm in a hurry and get stuck behind someone I'll just skip the hole or play multiple balls.

Chances are if I am playing by myself I'm playing more for practice than for score.

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So you really think it's an automatic that a foursome = playing for money? I think that's a crazy assumption. I'd say 50% of the time at most. I can think of several golfing buddies that never play for money & we've played foursomes a lot. It's also common for 2 twosomes to get randomly paired together, and the majority of the time strangers aren't going to play for money. And it's not like I don't try to find money games (though I like to limit it with friends).

I've won most of money playing 2 vs 3 & 1 vs 2. I like 2 vs 3 because I can play with a partner against 3 bets (A/B, A/C, B/C), and if you play well on the front.... you can kill on the back when they press. And you can side bet like crazy. I made enough $ this way in a 2-week period to pay for a couple law school classes.

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So you really think it's an automatic that a foursome = playing for money? I think that's a crazy assumption. I'd say 50% of the time at most. I can think of several golfing buddies that never play for money & we've played foursomes a lot. It's also common for 2 twosomes to get randomly paired together, and the majority of the time strangers aren't going to play for money. And it's not like I don't try to find money games (though I like to limit it with friends).

I've won most of money playing 2 vs 3 & 1 vs 2. I like 2 vs 3 because I can play with a partner against 3 bets (A/B, A/C, B/C), and if you play well on the front.... you can kill on the back when they press. And you can side bet like crazy. I made enough $ this way in a 2-week period to pay for a couple law school classes.

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I guess my sarcasm got lost in translation. But then again I suppose its tough to get that across on a forum.

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If you are a club member and are a single playing behind a foursome, you need to make some friends and stop playing as a single. It's a Golf CLUB. A social thing. Join your MGA.

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Some of us like squeezing in the fast round after work or at other odd times. It's got nothing to do with not having enough golf buddies. When the calendar clears unexpectedly at the last minute, getting out to play a quick round is one of the first thoughts that comes to mind.

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Reminds me of a story...


About 10 years ago my bother-in-law and I went out to "beautiful" Pecan Hollow on a Summer weekday afternoon to sneak in a round of golf. We teed-off as a twosome with no-one in sight. We're cruising along until about the 5th hole when we come to a screeching halt behind a foursome of what appear to be Japanese businessmen. The group's skill level is as follows:

Golfer 1 - Great player, low handicap (maybe scratch)
Golfer 2 - Good player, around 10-12 handicap
Golfer 3 - Not very good, maybe 25-30 handicap
Golfer 4 - Looks like he's never seen a golf club in his life

These clowns were playing with strict honors. We were behind them for about 3 holes and what seemed to be several hours. We tried to explain the concept of "playing through" but the language barrier would that allow it. Finally, we'd had enough and skipped a hole to get around them. Very weird, they didn't seem to understand how rude it was and didn't seem to notice that the group behind them was getting pretty irritated with the whole thing. Maybe this "playing through" concept is not understood in the Asian world.

Typical Hole for these guys:

1) Golfer 1 tees off and kills his drive dead center.
2) Golfer 2 hits a pretty good drive, on or close to the fairway about 50 yards behind G1.
3) Golfer 3 slices drive into trees about 200 yards down the fairway.
4) Golfer 4 tops ball to ladies tees.
5 )All 4 walk back to their carts and driver the 20 yards to G4's ball.
6) All 4 get out of carts and walk to G4's ball. They stand there as G4 hacks at the ball. If it moves more than a few feet, they all get back into the carts.
7) Repeat steps 5 & 6 until they get to where they think G3's ball went into the trees.
8) All 4 search the same 10 yards to try and find G3's ball. (Several times my bro-in-law or I where screaming and point at where the ball really was)
9) G3 takes a hack.
10) We start a version of steps 5 & 6 where, either G3 or G4 is hacking at a ball and then the group all get back in their carts and drive the 10 yards to the closer of G3 or G4 balls.
11) Finally, we reach the point where G2 can hit. He put's the ball somewhere around the green.
12) Repeat 10 until we reach G1's ball.
13) G1 puts his approach to within 20 feet.
14) Go back to the hackfest similar to steps 5,6,7,9,10 & 12.
15) At some point they all reach the green. They spend time reading break and lining up puts for G3 & G4. Both who are now putting for about 15. Don't remember if they drained any of them.

I probably would have hit into them & skipped them.

I had a similar situation yesterday. I went out as a single. The clubhouse paired me up with another single. Great I've got someone to play with. Course is slow all day, but everyone is keeping up. The guy I'm playing with has to leave after nine so I'm a single. I catch up to the group in front of me on 10. Play fairly close behind them for a hole or so, and they were nice enough to offer to let me play through or join them. Once I joined them I realized that there were two groups in front of them that were slowing things up. After talking to the marshall there were several wedding parties out there. Instead of being frustrated, I just joined them. It wasn't worth getting upset about. Everyone is just out there to relax and have a good time.

I played yesterday afternoon on campus as a single after class. I caught up to the typical slow foursome of Asians on 11 and stayed right on their tail without being waved through. Once I made it to the 16th tee, I was already teed up and ready to go while all four of them were looking for someones ball way to the right of the fairway. Finally, one of them waves for me to come through. Awesome. I tee off and put it about 130 out in the middle of the fairway and walk up to my ball, but the foursome keeps playing. I walk up and stand by my ball, slightly confused, and the guy who waved me through said that I could play through. So I hit my second shot to about ten yards short and am walking up to my ball when I almost get hit by someone elses ball! I just think that the concept of letting someone play through doesn't connect well with the Asian. To be waved through and then immediatly playe up on was the wierdest thing to me...

Whasty- unfortunatley Pecan Hollow is still notorious for the slow foursome...but they are cheap so I keep comin back

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Awesome. I tee off and put it about 130 out in the middle of the fairway and walk up to my ball, but the foursome keeps playing. I walk up and stand by my ball, slightly confused, and the guy who waved me through said that I could play through. So I hit my second shot to about ten yards short and am walking up to my ball when I almost get hit by someone elses ball! I just think that the concept of letting someone play through doesn't connect well with the Asian. To be waved through and then immediatly playe up on was the wierdest thing to me.

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This kind of thing happened to me on campus not too long ago as well. Except this wasnt asians it was a 4some of douchy looking current students.

They were going slow as hell and I was playing alone and they got up to a par 3 (hole 14ish). They were taking their time and hitting their tee shots (none of them hit the green) I asked if I could play through and they said yes so I hit mine onto the edge of the green. They then hop in their carts and haul down to their balls and stand by them waiting on me on the green. I putted and got it within about 3 feet and picked it up. The second that I picked up my ball and started to walk off the green 2 of them chipped right at me.

If either had hit me they would probably have been speared with the pin.

I then left the flag out and laying on the ground on the next hole...not that these guys probably cared where on the green the hole was...but it felt good