Tech Academic Delusion

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Maroon Dawn
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As we all know, A&M and Texas are on the decline, over funded and bloated, while Tech continues to rocket up the ladder of academic excellence and shall one day be the states premier public Flagship University....At least according to any raider you talk to. What do they base this on? 2 things:

1) the 60 point difference between SAT scores between A&M and Tech (per Princeton Review)

2) A&M having a higher acceptance rate than tech.

Poor Tech, but as they say there are lies, damn lies and statistics. Lets look at whats behind these numbers:

1) Note how tech dwells on only the SAT score. Note how there is never any mention of where a tard is as far as his HS Top 10%/GPA/Class Rank/Extra curriculars. You know, all those OTHER factors a school looks at besides your SAT. The fact is a tards scores may be within 60 points of the A&M average but everyone who got in while he didnt was in the top half of their class and or top ten percent or academic auto admit, had a higher GPA and better overall credentials.

2) As far as 'admission selectivity" goes yup its true we have a higher acceptance rate than Tek. But is this bad? Lets ask Princeton Review. According to the PR selectivity rankings 61= automatic, no-one-ever-turned-away-as-long-as-you-have-a-pulse open admissions while at the other end a 99= Harvard level hard to get in.

UT-96
A&M-91
tek-70

Hmm would seem that A&M IS harder to get into but how can that be when we have a higher acceptance rate than Tech? Lets ask Princeton Review:

Admissions Selectivity Rating
This rating measures how competitive admissions are at the school. This rating is determined by several institutionally-reported factors, including: the class rank, average standardized test scores, and average high school GPA of entering freshmen; the percentage of students who hail from out-of-state; and the percentage of applicants accepted. By incorporating all these factors, our Admissions Selectivity Rating adjusts for "self-selecting" applicant pools. University of Chicago, for example, has a very high rating, even though it admits a surprisingly large proportion of its applicants. Chicago's applicant pool is self-selecting; that is, nearly all the school's applicants are exceptional students. This rating is given on a scale of 60-99. Please note that if a school has an Admissions Selectivity Rating of 60*, it means that the school did not report to us all of the statistics that go into the rating by our deadline.

"What's this garbage? Melon rinds, pantyhose, a term paper from Texas Tech!" -Mayor Quimby, The Simpsons

[This message has been edited by Aglax2005 (edited 7/27/2005 4:09p).]
highwayman
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Urban Ag
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Yeah but they got hot chicks. Hot chicks with the clap, but hot chicks just the same.
grego
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Hot ****ty chicks.
Maroon Dawn
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Im sorry, I didnt mean to leave Accordian out

SAT-980
Selectivity- 70 just like tech!
grego
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You can't say slu tty?

By the way, nothing wrong with hot slu tty chicks.
Urban Ag
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quote:
By the way, nothing wrong with hot slu tty chicks.



Nothing wrong with it? Hell, it's the slogan on the ttu informational packet they hand out to graduating seniors or recent GED recipients (with a condom stapled to it).



[This message has been edited by Urban Ag (edited 7/27/2005 4:17p).]
Maroon Dawn
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ah yes the tek freshmen year pamphlet

So You've Shamed Yourself and Your Entire Family: Ritual Sepuku Made Easy!

"What's this garbage? Melon rinds, pantyhose, a term paper from Texas Tech!" -Mayor Quimby, The Simpsons
hub-city
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oh come on, only an ag would put a staple through a condom

[This message has been edited by hub-city (edited 7/27/2005 5:41p).]
houstontexan
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the acceptance rate argument is most entertaining to me. they can't grasp that its two completely different bases of applicants.

that being said, i would really like meet the person who was denied from tech. where are these people?
mj_raider
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Another ALLSOME thread started by lax!
GeorgetownRaider
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So did he really get those stats from Princeton Review? I'm not sure about those numbers...let's check again with Princeton Review. According to Princeton Review...
e=mc2
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Any school where the students tear up there own property is full of morons.
BahaMut
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Any school where the students tear up there own property is full of morons.


Too easy......
Madman
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slu TTy
techsan01
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It's fairly obvious no one on this board is concerned with the ever-shrinking gap between Tech and A&M.
vegasaggie
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you should be worried about something that really is ever-shrinking my retarded friend.
e=mc2
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It's fairly obvious no one on this board is concerned with having to work for a Tech graduate.
GeorgetownRaider
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Well Einstein, I would be more concerned working with you. Take a memo...wait let's get someone who knows basic grammar and sentence construction...
ttechguy
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Why the widening gap between atm and UT?
techsan01
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Wow ... I got called retarded. Welcome to 3rd grade.
BigAggie06
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Ok since the tt fans here think tt is so great lets see what US News and World Report had to say in their annual college rankings last year.

Top 120 National Schools

#17 Rice
#46 tu (3 way tie)
#62 A&M (4 way tie)
#71 SMU (3 way tie)
#84 Baylor (2 way tie)
#98 TCU (4 way tie)

those are the schools in Texas that are ranked in the top 120 schools in the nation, where is tt? Well to find tt you have to go into their list of what they call Tier 3 school along with such acclaimed schools as UTD, Univ. Of South Florida, and Florida International. They also said that while tt is "selective" both tu and A&M are "more selective" If that doesn't please you then go to CollegeBoard.com and compare A&M, tu, and tt

A&M:
SAT Verbal 520-640 Math 550-660
ACT 23-28

tu:
SAT Verbal 540-660 Math 570-680
ACT 23-28

tt:
SAT Verbal 500-600 Math 520-620
ACT 21-26

Now according to these numbers your students aren't as smart as ours, and US news doesn't even consider you on the same level as a good number of the schools in Texas, so how you can claim that you are the next premier flagship is beyond me. Once you get past the level of UTD and FIU then you can talk, but until then just remember ............. TIER 3!!!!
kaiguy
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BigAggie06 -

That was stellar!
vegasaggie
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welcome to the 3rd grade.....now open your tceh english books to page 50......
ljharrisbo
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I do not think anyone hear said Tech was a better academic school. I feel we are getting better along with all schools in Texas. Why do yall always compare your school with UT when their academics are better than yours? When you answer this question you will have your answer to your original question.
BigAggie06
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The fact that we are listed in the top 120 schools in the nation, and that if you look at SAT score and ACT scores, or take it farther and look at individual programs such as Engineering and Business you will see that teh two school are actualy very similar acedemic wise. I came from a Texas 5A hs with 743 members in the graduating class and a majority of the people in the top 15% who didn't go to a private school went to either UT or A&M, the deciding factor being, for the most part, the type of people at each school, those with more liberal beliefs and background went to tu and those with more conservative views went to A&M, most looked at all 3 of the large public schools in the state with a very small minority of maybe 3 kids from the top of the class going to tt and none from the top 10. Comparing A&M and tu is not as large of leap as Tech claiming they are the next Flagship school when they can't even be ranked in one of the top college ranking in the country. They even say that Baylor and SMU have better academics than Tech so like I said until the school begins to be a major draw from the top 10% of kids from large schools they will always be a TIER 3 school, no more no less, it is what it is.




Every body say it with me now........TIER 3!!!!
George Strait
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Wow I consider myself just right of right on the conservative movement and I went to Texas, there must be something wrong I should have gone to A&M.
ljharrisbo
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Get something right. I never said we would be the next flagship. How are you similar to UT, their academics are way better than yours. The dumbest thing I have heard is that if you are conservative you go to A&M not UT. I am sure there are no conservatives at UT. I think it is if you do not get accepted to UT you go to A&M. This is what yall have been saying for years about Tech. Yet in yalls comment yall group UT and A&M together. Fact is if you can not compare Tech to A&M you can not compare A&M to UT.
OrmyIllus
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i lost my virginity to a tech sweetheart - and in the back of my ford f150..

God Bless that school



ORMYRIP.
Maroon Dawn
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Sorry to burst your bubble but even the sips will admit that if you have the grades to get into A&M you have the grades to get into UT. Consider that 3/4ths of our incoming freshmen are either Top 10% or academic Auto-admit, that means under state law they could have just as easily gotten into UT as A&M AUTOMATICALLY. Factor in those in that other 25% who had to get in competetively and your talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 80-90% of Aggies had the grades to go to UT if they wanted to. The same cannot be said of tech where MAYBE 10% would have gotten accepted to A&M or UT because they were top 10%/academic auto admit.

"What's this garbage? Melon rinds, pantyhose, a term paper from Texas Tech!" -Mayor Quimby, The Simpsons
ttechguy
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BigAg06 - Please tell me what it's like in the real world. Be sure to take the USN&WR to your job interview. Hiring managers ALWAYS use that to make decisions. Let me know how it goes.
Naples
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Ok, what percentile were all of you in? What was your SAT? I guess the top person at Tech is still below the lowest person at ATM? I am willing to bet that a few TTU students scores, etc. were higher than a few of the posters on here when applying for school. Just a hunch.
The Shank Ag
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quote:

i lost my virginity to a tech sweetheart - and in the back of my ford f150..


Hows the VD treatment going?
BigAggie06
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SAT 1350
Top 11% (Yes I know not top 10) from a class of 743 students
No one ranked above me went to tceh and no one that I know of had an SAT score even close to mine and went to tceh. The closest was a friend who was in the top 13% and had an 1080 SAT. Now I'm sure that there are people at Tech who have a better record than I, but I am above the average for all three schools and was accepted to all three, and the fact remains that the AVERAGE student at tech has lower grades going in than the AVERAGE student at A&M.

And as far as the real world is concerned I have a very nice accounting internship with a billion dollar a year company in Houston that I will most likely be working for once I graduate a semester early this Dec.

Any more questions Mr. Tier 3?
vegasaggie
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he went to tceh, he'll have questions for the rest of his life.....
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