How the Walt Disney Corporation just bent over the sips with a sand paper condom

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Bonfire1996
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By making this Dish Network agreement part of the overall ESPN family of networks, the Walt Disney Corporation has the ability to spread its revenue from Dish across its platforms in a manner they see fit.

As we all know, the sips LHN deal was thought to be lucrative on an annual basis at $300 Million over 20 years. But that is pre-realignment thinking. Tier 3 networks are proving to be very lucrative assets, when they can provide enough live programming to sell advertising. Now that we know this, the LHN is a severely undermarket deal, unless the sips can meet their cost sharing targets with Disney. Once Disney recoups its expenses in the form of profit, texas then gets to share in a manner above the $20 Million per year agreement. Meaning, if Disney spends $100 Million in fronting the network, they need to recoup their expenses, and make $100 Million in profit, and then, and only then, do the sips get their ridiculous 70% of revenue number.

This deal with Dish ensures this will never happen. Do you think the accountants and lawyers of Disney are going to allow the Disney financials to reflect that Dish is paying them one red cent for the LHN? Well, they may need to apply some revenue towards it, but it won't be reflective of a market rate. I would wager the LHN got picked up for around $0.05 per month, per subscriber, just to give it a figure. At that rate, the LHN will never generate the profit needed to trigger the revenue sharing agreement.

So the sips will be stuck in the $20 Million per year number for a while. Or is it $15 Million? Or is it $13 Million? Or is it less than $10 Million? I always forget the real number because they thought it was initially so big that they started giving it away. What idiots!

What a shame that the LHN couldn't be sold as a stand alone entity, and none of these accounting shenanigans could take place. What a shame that it took a game changer like the SEC Network to force a re-negotiation of the entire ESPN platform.

Sorry folks, your financial future was just etched in stone. You are effed through 2025 at the very least. At least 38 schools will make more media revenue than you starting in 2016 or 2017, and there will be nothing you can do about it for a decade. A freaking decade.
wbt5845
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Uh oh..........

Masser Dodds sittin' in his breakfast nook - a cold chill pssing over him as he realizes....



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stick93
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So the LHN is the Loss Leader stacked up on the pallet to bait you into the store? Nope, that doesn't work as bait, by definition, intrigues or entices someone to act. This is more like overstock.com crap or **** they throw into your goody bag at a golf scramble.

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Universal
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Bonfire:

I've been asking for financial details on our sites and getting no specifics...nobody seems to know what LHN is getting per subscriber for any of the deals including Dish. When are you guys gonna pull a freedom of info request to get the info?
Bonfire1996
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Universal - I don't think an FOIA will get you what you want. However, when Dish releases its updated fee schedule, it will detail what they pay per ESPN channel. No idea when that comes out.
Universal
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I think UT admin is restricting the info...they don't want it getting out. They can tout expansion of subs as success but avoid the price of that expansion.

I enjoy the debate with you here, but we agree on LHN...it may finally get distribution but it won't be the financial behemoth Dodds thought and ultimately is chaining us to a bad conference.
RikkiTikkaTagem
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A lot of folks seem to forget that ESPN spends an additional 30 million/year (+3% increase/year) in actually running the LHN, so that money also needs to be paid back in additional to all the initial costs. The LHN is going to have to net over a billion dollars to trigger the 70/30 profit split.
agent-maroon
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I think UT admin is restricting the info...they don't want it getting out.

Can you blame them? Who wouldn't hide the details of this sh/t deal getting out?
NoneGiven
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When will longhornhere55 join us to set the record straight?
wbt5845
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So in short, that 70/30 split ain't never ever gonna happen.

This looked like such a good deal for t.u. at the time but has turned into the biggest lemon we've seen in quite some time. Damn them Connecticut city slickers!
wbt5845
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And it took the morons at The Shag 17 minutes to rise to the bait.
aggiehawg
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I have never seen the LHN. Who advertises on it? Local Austin companies? Lower level ESPN advertisers? Or ESPN advertising its own programs??

Skinny Wrinkles
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I have never seen the LHN. Who advertises on it? Local Austin companies? Lower level ESPN advertisers? Or ESPN advertising its own programs??




I have LHN (Uverse was my only option) and they'll show old TAMU tu games from time to time. The only ads I can actually remember were for the LHN itself.
wbt5845
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I have UVerse as well. I don't watch it much, but it seems that 50% of their advertising is for the LHN.

I really can't remember any other commercials.
agent-maroon
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The only ads I can actually remember were for the LHN itself.

This is what I remember as well but I only watched it long enough to confirm that TWC Dallas had actually added it.

Got to admit that TWC assigned LHN an appropriate station number for sips to remember - 911. That just works on so many levels.
wbt5845
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Here's this morning's programming lineup thru noon:



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leftcoastaggie
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Is that the same longhorn extra playing over and over again or is it different episodes?
The Collective
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quote:





NoneGiven
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Look how proud those sips on sh**** are for starting to catch up to BYU.
gougler08
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I've only watched it a couple of times and can't think of anything except LHN programming as well. Maybe a few of the "as seen on TV" ads?
Aggball2010
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So, Universal. Are you that B**ch hornfanmikey over on OB? Or did you just see his post and come run over to TexAgs again? Bonfire, your posts are showing up in thread a over there. Free board.
NoneGiven
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Is that the same longhorn extra playing over and over again or is it different episodes?



Same.
From 6AM-Noon they replay that show.
Then they do the same from 9-Midnight



9 of the 18 hours most people are awake are dedicated to 30 minutes of content. ****ing brilliant.
aggiehawg
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Hhmmm. Uhhmm. Little to no advertising revenue?
Are they following the Air America radio business model? Crappy product, crappy ratings, no advertising. (Because that worked soooo well?)
TXAGBQ76
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barekat55 will be here either after recess or nap time...
Bonfire1996
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So this post has made it to the shag and to orangebloods. Glad I could brighten their day.

I would enjoy it if these guys could enlighten me to where I am wrong. Or they can just continue with the name calling, and saying I don't know what I am talking about. And....go.
Universal
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I post as Universal Horn on OB, Barking Carnival, and Burnt Orange Nation. Don't like Sh****...too juvenile for my tastes.
Madman
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For most other programs showing a repeat of a recent MNC game would be a good thing. For a reason I can't quite put my finger on, them showing their game makes them look desperate and pathetic.

It wasn't that long ago but with all the events that have transpired it seems like a lifetime has gone buy.
The Notorious A.G.G.I.E.
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All hell will break loose when Vandy will be making more tier 3 money than Texas in a few years. Look for revolt by horns.
wbt5845
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Universal is OK - he is one of the few who took his whipping like a man.
wbt5845
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LHN:Showing 2006 Rose Bowl :: 45 year old former cheerleader:Posting her high school yearbook pictures on Facebook
Bonfire1996
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It will also be in standard def. Which makes me laugh.
Captain Pablo
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Bonfire,

I like the way you think, but we don't know the revenue split yet, do we?

I don't mind celebrating because I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'd like to see the actually numbers before confirming the sips got bent...

EDIT - not saying you're wrong, but we don't have much information at this point...






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BennyBlancoFromTheBright
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So there ISN'T a market demand for former roommates sitting around telling campfire stories on cable sports?
Gigem314
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Look how proud those sips on sh**** are for starting to catch up to BYU.

At least BYU plays some decent movies from time to time...and have a loyal base that will actually watch the channel.

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It will also be in standard def. Which makes me laugh.

Should make those texas-Rice/KU/ISU and texas state home games riveting.
goodAg80
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[This message has been edited by goodAg80 (edited 3/4/2014 12:13p).]
 
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