and probably sooner, Texas and Texas A&M will be members of the PAC-10. Mizzou and Colorado are basically waiting and praying on a bid from the Big 10 and, if it does come, they are most definitely gone.

The Pac 10 desperately wants to become a Super Conference with a championship game but needs more schools to accomplish this. From what I am told, A&M and Texas both prefer the PAC 10 over the SEC due to the schools in that conference being more aligned academically with our two schools than the so-called institutions of the SEC.

Finally, with A&M and Texas joining the California schools, you would have a conference with a base of over 60 million viewers. This would undoubtedly be the most lucrative TV deal ever signed by a collegiate conference.

This is going to happen folks, it's only a matter of time. The five years stated in the title is probably on the conservative side as it could very well happen sooner than that. What is unknown is what will happen to the other Big 12 schools and whether they will be left in the lurch.

I'm good with that.

You didn't say "book it," so I'm skeptical.

There are some small issues that wouldnt be perfectly ideal(time zone differences, travel distance, etc) but i'm on board with the idea.

Theres way too much rhetoric going on right now for it not to be a legitimate possibility, and when you look at the annual $'s lost by members of the Big XII compared to their similar conference peers....it seems pretty obvious it's going to happen sooner than later.

OU and oSu will be a good fit in the SEC, Mizzou/CU/NU are good fits for the Big 10, and the rest will have to get in where they can fit in. I suspect the ACC would be a suitor for a few of them, not sure about the others.

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Sam - suffice it to say Tech will end up in the Ivy League?

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Very good point. However, in lieu of that stamp, I anticipate that Jorts will confirm after discussing this with his inside sources. Then you can surely take this to the bank.

If this "Super PAC 10" is our only lifeboat from a slowly sinking Big 12, then I'll take it. Wouldn't be my first choice though. The SEC is the place i wanna be. Go on to the PAC 10 tu, I know you folks imagine yourselves as Stanford with a cowboy hat; so go west and have your fun. As for me, when you're down by 4 on a hot Saturday night in Baton Rouge and you see your team drive the length of the field for a TD and you then barely get out of the stadium alive , running to your car amid a cascade of beer bottles hurled by angry drunk Cajuns, taunting them by blasting the War Hymn out of the car window, at that moment no one gives a rat's dick how many National Merit Scholars you have on campus or who is a member of AAU and who isn't.

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I'm with Moe.

I'm with Moe & nac

Good point Moe. Except for one thing, money. Believe it or not, these folks are in it for dough more than your Saturday night enjoyment. Just be quiet and follow ship.

If nothing else, Dodds has proven himself to be a titan of business. As stated, California and Texas alone have a combined population of around 60 mil. Throw the populations of Arizona, Oregon, and Washington state into the mix and you will see an unprecedented TV deal.

And add our two teams to USC, Oregon, and up and coming other schools such as UCLA, Stanford, U of W, etc., and it will be a very powerful conference.

It's gonna happen...

I understand the money. The SEC has a buck or two also. And it's tv deal would get sweeter by adding the two big Texas schools. More money, better football, better rivalries, fewer hip-eyes. Sounds good to me.

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I'm skeptical about your argument that the Mega Pac-10 will have a ton of viewers. Think about it right now. The Pac-10 and Big 12 are bringing in the lowest amount of money out of the power conferences. I can almost assure you that there are more people that live in California/Pac-10 region, than live in the SEC region. Doesn't mean that the Pac-10 is making more money. Same goes for the Big 12. Because of Texas alone, I'm willing to bet that the Big 12 has a larger population than the SEC region. I just don't think that adding a&m and texas into that conference is just going to magically fix all of the problems and make the new conference more powerful than the SEC

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Good points vette. However, reality doesn't always matter in negotiations. There is a HUGE base with this merger. It will suddenly become a "sexier" league as well. You will now have a potential USC/Texas game every year that would mean a HUGE national audience, maybe even the biggest rating of the non-bowl, non-championship games.

As for the SEC, sure there is a lot of money in that conference as well. But the powers that be see that conference as a football factory with poor academics and, right or wrong, overall see many of those schools as being "beneath."

Texas will not be joining the SEC. And like it or not, our schools are joined and linked together. I think the PAC 10 move will definitely benefit both schools in many, many aspects; the primary one is going to be financially though.

Other than the fact that we'll be up watching road games at midnight, I see no problem with joining the Pac-10. Other then USC, there isnt a consistant "power" team in that confernce and we'd actually have a chance to compete, unlike in the SEC

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Other then the fact that we'd have trouble losing by less then 30 in Baton Rouge, solid point

Money aside, I don't really understand the appeal of the PAC 10 for the two flagships anyway. The road trips are horribly long and night road games would kick off at 9:30 Central Time. Other than the Horns pissing match with USC, neither of us would have any natural rivals (unless your hip-eys get into a brawl with the Cal hip-eyes over who makes the best granola or which Republican president was the most evil). When you come right down to it, the chief appeal of the PAC 10 is playing USC and perhaps getting to play in the Rose Bowl. Both the Arizona schools joined the PAC 10 for that reason; since then they've been to the Rose Bowl exactly once between them and USC usually lays a Number Six on em.

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I don't see why we have to be joined and linked together on this thing. As long as we continue to play each other in sports across the board (something the Lege would insist on, I'm sure), I don't see why we can't go our separate ways. In fact the only way I'd be even half enthusiastic about the PAC 10 is if we couldn't get into the SEC and it came down as a choice between going with tu to the PAC 10 or staying with the sinking Big 12. I've even got a theory that tu would fight us if we tried to go to the SEC by ourselves; I think (and I've read as much on some sip boards) that our recruiting would get better if we were playing in the most intense conference in college football.


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I don't think the SEC is going to want to add A&M solo. It's simply not going to be a package including Texas either. Maybe they would be interested in Tech, certainly they would OU. However, the Oklahoma legislature is going to want OSU to tag along with OU, as well.

I agree. That's why i could see A&M going there with OU. As far as OSU is concerned, perhaps OU has the clout in the Lege there to tell Okie Lite to go get their shine box.

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One more thing and I'm shutting off the TRS-80 for the night; think of the conference games if we both went to the SEC. Imagine getting LSU in Austin every other year, how bout Florida in there every few years.....Bama, Tennesse. Hell, a Florida-sip game on Saturday night in Austin.......might be the hottest ticket ever down there.

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I like the sips to the Pac-10 and A&M to the SEC deal.

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After BC, Thug U, and Va Tech jumped to the ACC the Big Least had to find additional schools to join.
I thought they were crazy to add South Fl (Marshall was a the Boise St. darling at the time).
Time proved that this was a great decision even though South Florida was no more than the fourth biggest school (by athletic standards) in the state.
The SEC would love to get into Texas. A&M's alumni base, overall athletics standing, and academics are just icing on the cake.

I think the SEC is a better fit for you guys but-whatever. Go IV it!

We're going back to the Mountain West....
We're trading road trips to Waco, College Station and Norman for Albuquerque, Provo and San Diego.

Y'all fit better in Starkville and Baton Rouge, we fit better in the mountains.

We're waxing ski's, y'all are just getting waxed.

I'm looking for a down-side to this.

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Our games would start earlier. The whole point would be to capture the Texas TV markets.

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For starters most other leagues are going to want us together to get the whole Texas market. Second it behooves both schools to have someone with similar interests when it comes to negotiation time, including things like conference championship sites etc.Third, good luck getting the lege to approve either without the other. It will take the combined political weight to bolt without getting strapped with a Tech/UH/BU/TCU tagging along.

I’d be fine with the SEC or Pac-10, but its more likely we end up in some new configuration. Nebraska is the lynch pin to this whole deal. If they break for the Big 10 the North has nothing except for Kansas basketball and the stronger south programs/schools like UT, A&M, and OU will bolt. And Osborne wants on that Big 10 money train.

If NU stays and say MU leaves, we’ll pick up some other northern team from a smaller conference. Then hopefully we’ll get a new conference president who sees the writing on the wall and ups the numbers to a super conference(16) with decent market coverage for a better deal. Otherwise you’ll see UT/NU/OU/A&M bolt in the next few years anyway. Either together or in groups. The ADs of those schools know their brand value and won’t continue in this Big 12 contract for long.

Big $$$ are in conference championship games, but those require even numbers in order for the conference to have two divisions.

The SEC could add OU and A&M, giving 14 teams.
Pac 10 could add TU, Colo, BYU and Utah, giving them 14. (Or just take TU and Colo, for 12)
Big 10 (11) could add Mizzou, Neb, KU. giving them 14.
TTech, OkieState, KState, IowaState, & Baylor could join a WAC or Mountain West or Conf-USA.
A lot of coulds here, yeah; but geographically and culturally, it makes some sense.
There are problems of course. Fire away!

So, I waltz into the crapper at my new Kroger in the Heights and notice that the flush handle is made out of this weird green plastic that is apparently a sanitary, anti-biotic, anti-microbial material so that you don't pass along germs and stuff between users.

My question is this: why don't they make the whole crapper, or at least the seat, out of this same stuff? Why stop at just the handle?

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You exude greatness, Sammy.

I was not aware that we were neighbors, but I have been feeling extra superior lately, and now I understand why. I have been breathing your used air for the past year and a half.

Lord, life is sweet!

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This, by the way, is the greatest thing I have ever read on the interwebs, and I mean that on multiple levels.

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Other than the fact that we'll be up watching road games at midnight, I see no problem with joining the Pac-10. Other then USC, there isnt a consistant "power" team in that confernce and we'd actually have a chance to compete, unlike in the SEC

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This is what I don't get about so many Aggies wanting to join the SEC. A&M hasn't been competitive for many years in the Big 12 in football. Do Aggie fans see that changing when you add Tenn., LSU, Georgia, Florida, Bama to their schedule?

If the thinking is you'll be better just by virtue of being in the SEC, well good luck with that. Ask Arkansas how that worked out.

Anyway, why not go to a conference where you can compete? A revamped Pac-10 with Texas and A&M would have just the right number of power schools.

Theo, so do you think UT and aTm are a package deal? And do you think Tech has enough "sway" in the legislature to be included with UT moving? I honestly don't know. aTm isn't in the equation as it relates to Tech but do you see UT making a push to include Tech as part of a package deal?

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Theo, so do you think UT and aTm are a package deal? And do you think Tech has enough "sway" in the legislature to be included with UT moving? I honestly don't know. aTm isn't in the equation as it relates to Tech but do you see UT making a push to include Tech as part of a package deal?

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I would think another southern school has to be in the mix.

There's ten teams now.

Figure Ore., OSU, Wash., Wash. State, Stanford and Cal in the North and USC, UCLA, Ariz., Ariz. State, Texas and A&M in the south.

BUT--I think the Pac 10 wants CU too. That means we need another south school.

That's not a bad conference at all.

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If this "Super PAC 10" is our only lifeboat from a slowly sinking Big 12, then I'll take it.

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Pretty much every conference expansion rumor so far has been premised on other conferences poaching off the Big 12.

You're not hearing much about the Big 12 stealing teams.

That should tell you all you need to know about the future of the Big 12. It doesn't have one.

We will be looking for a new home, and it's going to be together. If Texas as present strength was in that new SEC, do you think we'd be competing for titles the way we are now? I don't. So why would you guys want to be a part of it? When is A&M going to go on a run better than we we have going now?

We would be smart to take the first offer from the Pac-10.

Beebe is probably doing more behind the scenes than we think. The TV alliance with the big 12 and pac 10 would go a long way in shutting the big ten the hell up.

If the big 12 gets a piece of the tv market, they become gold.