Potential Rule Changes for 2019/2020

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6:16a, 2/6/19
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A three-batter minimum for pitchers

A universal designated hitter

A single trade deadline before the All-Star break

A 20-second pitch clock

The expansion of rosters to 26 men, with a 12-pitcher maximum

Draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams

A study to lower the mound

A rule that would allow two-sport amateurs to sign major league contracts
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6:23a, 2/6/19
Lots of terrible ideas
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7:14a, 2/6/19
How about instead a 20 second pitch clock, they just had a commercial break after the 2,4,6 and 8th innings?
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7:27a, 2/6/19
How many times are we going to enact a pitch clock without actually enforcing it?

And any time saved moving to the quicker pitch/at-bat rate has been nullified by the increase in bullpen mix-and-match with specialty relievers late.

Increase pace of play by:

* Not allowing relief pitchers to have warm-up pitches from the mound. The bullpen exists for a reason, those guys should be ready to go when they come in.

* Pitch-count is live unless a manager asks for timeout for his mound-visit. Mound visits limited to 60 seconds from the time it's requested and then pitch-count restarts. This would prevent the stroll out to the pitcher's mound allowing the reliever extra time to get warm (who will then take even more time to get warm once he's in).


If we're going to be a relief-heavy era of baseball, then that is where the time sink is going to be. Force these managers to be more strategic and alert by making them quickly prepared if they want to make a pitching sub.
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7:46a, 2/6/19
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Why the 12 pitcher maximum?

Part of the 26 man roster expansion would be cutting down September call ups to 28 man rosters. I'm on board with cutting down from 40, but think 28 would be a bit too drastic.
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8:10a, 2/6/19
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I don't really like any of those ideas. Some of it takes away in-game strategy, which attracts a lot of pure baseball fans to the game in the first place. I do support reducing the time between innings, and also limiting the number of warm-up pitches for substitutions from the pen.

I think they are on to something with September call-ups and anti-tanking penalties, but not to that extreme. Maybe they could implement a draft lottery of some kind that doesn't absolutely reward being the worst team on the planet.
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In reply to mhayden • 8:11a, 2/6/19
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free_mhayden said:

* Not allowing relief pitchers to have warm-up pitches from the mound. The bullpen exists for a reason, those guys should be ready to go when they come in.

This is one of those ideas that on paper makes sense but in reality doesn't.

I think those warm-up pitches aren't really warm ups but a chance to get acclimated to the different mound. Every pitcher will tell you that bullpen mounds are different (sometimes drastically different) from game mounds.

Worth noting that it may be quicker to allow warm-ups than it would be to have a pitcher come onto the new mound and pace, grab the rosen bag, wipe his feet, and squirm around all while throwing 4 straight balls while he gets acclimated. Throw in the injury concerns and I just don't think it'll work.
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In reply to _lefraud_ • 8:14a, 2/6/19
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_lefraud_ said:
A three-batter minimum for pitchers - LOL TERRIBLE

A universal designated hitter - I'm okay with this.

A single trade deadline before the All-Star break - MEH

A 20-second pitch clock - mhayden has a point.

The expansion of rosters to 26 men, with a 12-pitcher maximum - The pitcher part of this is stupid.

Draft advantages for winning teams and penalties for losing teams - I would argue either way on this.

A study to lower the mound - point being?

A rule that would allow two-sport amateurs to sign major league contracts - Meh.
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8:20a, 2/6/19
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Yeah how about they eliminate the pre inning warm ups for infield and pitchers?
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8:24a, 2/6/19
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A study to lower the mound: A study?
Do the study. If it reduces strikeouts without greatly increasing home runs, then I'd probably support this. And lower it by how much? I'd find your run-of-the-mill MLB game more watchable if they could reduce strikeouts by 25% without affecting the number of home runs.

More drastic, but I'd at least be willing to consider backing the rubber up another six inches. I hate messing with something that's been fixed for a century, but all these strikeouts are killing me. I feel like the modern game in a lot of ways has passed me by.
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In reply to Aggie1205 • 8:40a, 2/6/19
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Aggie1205 said:
Why the 12 pitcher maximum?

Part of the 26 man roster expansion would be cutting down September call ups to 28 man rosters. I'm on board with cutting down from 40, but think 28 would be a bit too drastic.

I don't. I think Sept call ups are BS.

So for the entire season you play with 25 man rosters, then for the final month when division races and playoffs spots are coming down to the wire all of sudden you have 40 men?

Just doesn't make sense to me why they play with different rules for the last month of the season.
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10:25a, 2/6/19
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Need to reduce the time it takes to insert a relief pitcher.

- Make managers make pitching changes without walking out to the mound
- Reduce warm up throws

I also like changes to reduce strike outs. Baseball is more fun when the ball is in play.

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1:02p, 2/6/19

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Some of it takes away in-game strategy, which attracts a lot of pure baseball fans to the game in the first place.

I think it just changes it, rather than takes it away. I kinda like the intrigue of the 3 batter minimum scenario. Would affect line up construction, pitcher selection, which batters they face, etc.

I know NL people are enamored with the strategy around the DH, but most every manager that makes the switch says it's overblown. They all the do the same strategy, so I don't get the attraction to it.
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1:03p, 2/6/19
For the speed of the game issue. Give a manager 3 time outs. One for every 3 innings ( a forth for extra innings). During that time out he can visit the mound and or change a pitcher. Otherwise any pitching changes must happen before an inning starts.

For the batters give them one timeout per AB, otherwise they must be in the box ready to go at all times.

And some pitch clock to keep pitcher from playing games.
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1:07p, 2/6/19
Anything reasonable to speed up late innings pitching changes that is reasonable I'm all for.

I don't completely get effecting pitchers to reduce strike outs, a lot of that in the recent years has been guys trying to hit home runs down 0-2 in the count vs trying to put the ball in play.
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In reply to Corporal Punishment • 1:25p, 2/6/19
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Corporal Punishment said:

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A study to lower the mound: A study?
Do the study. If it reduces strikeouts without greatly increasing home runs, then I'd probably support this. And lower it by how much? I'd find your run-of-the-mill MLB game more watchable if they could reduce strikeouts by 25% without affecting the number of home runs.

More drastic, but I'd at least be willing to consider backing the rubber up another six inches. I hate messing with something that's been fixed for a century, but all these strikeouts are killing me. I feel like the modern game in a lot of ways has passed me by.
Blame the players and the massive amount of statistical data they can get and the very bright folks analyzing it. . Hitters are all in on the 2 true outcomes.
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1:30p, 2/6/19
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I don't completely get effecting pitchers to reduce strike outs, a lot of that in the recent years has been guys trying to hit home runs down 0-2 in the count vs trying to put the ball in play.

It's a value play when the opportunities to put the ball in play are so low. It's a self fulfilling prophecy: Pitchers are dominating enough to lower the balls in play on their own, and hitters are accepting the "trade-off" because chances are low that you'll get more balls in play to drive you home.

I think they have to tackle it from a pitching end because hitters are reactionary anyway in the whole batting process. Allow for balls to be in play and you'll see hitters take their singles and doubles more.
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1:39p, 2/6/19
I find it hilarious they want to install the DH and in the same breath say they want to speed up the game.
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In reply to BCSWguru • 2:47p, 2/6/19
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LSCSN said:
I find it hilarious they want to install the DH and in the same breath say they want to speed up the game.

Meaning that more offense means longer games? I think if coupled with some time-saving otherwise, this would be great. I like the strategy and double-switches, but who really wants to watch a pitcher bat three times a game?
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3:21p, 2/6/19
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The DH thing will be done in the new collective bargaining agreement. The union wants it , and management will give it to them (management wants it as well, but they're not telling the union that).
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3:35p, 2/6/19
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Why put in a DH but then limit the number of pitchers on a roster? What will they do with the extra position player bench spots with a 26 man roster? With a DH and thus little pinch hitting its seems like too many guys are going to be on the bench not getting ABs. More speed and defense only specialists for late innings?
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4:02p, 2/6/19
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I may be in the minority here, but I really like the three batter minimum. I loathe the single batter mixing and matching.
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4:22p, 2/6/19
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I like the strategy and double-switches, but who really wants to watch a pitcher bat three times a game?

I don't really find this to be strategic at all. Strategy is not "find a way to make the puzzle pieces fit when I bring in this guy in this situation". That pitcher is coming in regardless.
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4:23p, 2/6/19
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Why put in a DH but then limit the number of pitchers on a roster? What will they do with the extra position player bench spots with a 26 man roster? With a DH and thus little pinch hitting its seems like too many guys are going to be on the bench not getting ABs. More speed and defense only specialists for late innings?

I don't think all these things are meant for timing saving. I am sure with various teams "playing" with the roster size loopholes, they are considering raising the roster spots anyway.
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4:47p, 2/6/19
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Never was a fan of the DH, & hoped for a long time they'd eliminate it. At this point, I can accept it will put more runs in.
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In reply to diehard03 • 8:15p, 2/6/19
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diehard03 said:
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I like the strategy and double-switches, but who really wants to watch a pitcher bat three times a game?

I don't really find this to be strategic at all. Strategy is not "find a way to make the puzzle pieces fit when I bring in this guy in this situation". That pitcher is coming in regardless.

No he isn't, depending on what's left on your bench, but let's just agree to disagree. No sense in arguing personal preferences and opinions.
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12:10p, 2/7/19
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The mound visits and pitching changes are absolutely what need to be targeted. I like the following:

1) Manager gets 3 mound visits in a 9 inning game (time from the point they leave the top step), but can change pitchers from dugout top step and have it not count as a visit.

2) Max of 3 warm-up pitches in a pitching change. I get allowing more than 0, but these guys don't need 8 friggin pitches to get acclimated to the real mound.

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2:32p, 2/7/19
I think a pitching change is much longer than a mound visit. I wouldn't really bother with those.
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In reply to diehard03 • 2:43p, 2/7/19
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diehard03 said:
I think a pitching change is much longer than a mound visit. I wouldn't really bother with those.
To the point above though, they use the mound visits to facilitate the pitching change. There's the first visit with no change that buys some warm-up time. Then is the slow 2nd walk to the mound, wait for the ump to break it up, and as the ump comes to break it up, they signal the change. I think they need to find a way to separate the mound visit from the pitching change, and I think the only real way to do it is to limit the # of mound visits per game.
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In reply to alvtimes • 3:37p, 2/7/19
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Alvarado Times said:
How about instead a 20 second pitch clock, they just had a commercial break after the 2,4,6 and 8th innings?
I like that idea, as well as umpires calling the correct strike zone and quit squeezing pitchers.



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In reply to AgBQ-00 • 7:45p, 2/7/19
AgBQ-00 said:
I may be in the minority here, but I really like the three batter minimum. I loathe the single batter mixing and matching.

Bochy's gonna be pissed. He changes pitchers with the left-right crap constantly. The last 3 innings of games are often longer than the first 6 innings.

Of course, it's only this dramatic when we're winning in order to hold leads. Games the last 2 years have gone a lot faster...
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In reply to The Milkman • 7:51p, 2/7/19
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The Milkman said:
Yeah how about they eliminate the pre inning warm ups for infield and pitchers?


Yup, cut down on commercials too. We probably see the same 10 Chevy, Ford, Dr Pepper, Coors Light, AT&T commercials 3,824 times a season. We can't cut those down to a more manageable 1,912?
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8:46a, 2/8/19
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To the point above though, they use the mound visits to facilitate the pitching change. There's the first visit with no change that buys some warm-up time. Then is the slow 2nd walk to the mound, wait for the ump to break it up, and as the ump comes to break it up, they signal the change. I think they need to find a way to separate the mound visit from the pitching change, and I think the only real way to do it is to limit the # of mound visits per game.

Let's not pretend this is the norm for mound visits. A vast majority of them are the catcher getting a sign/sequence right or the coach getting the pitcher/defense aligned properly.
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8:48a, 2/8/19
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Bochy's gonna be pissed. He changes pitchers with the left-right crap constantly. The last 3 innings of games are often longer than the first 6 innings.

Of course, it's only this dramatic when we're winning in order to hold leads. Games the last 2 years have gone a lot faster...

Chicago thanks him mightily.
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In reply to ABATTBQ87 • 9:45a, 2/8/19
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ABATTBQ87 said:
Alvarado Times said:
How about instead a 20 second pitch clock, they just had a commercial break after the 2,4,6 and 8th innings?
I like that idea, as well as umpires calling the correct strike zone and quit squeezing pitchers.



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in 10 years they will have the automatic strike zone. Home plate umpires will be there to call all other plays.
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