Per the Musers this morning...How awesome would this team be? And with the new ARod allegations and Rick Helling story piled on are the 90's/00's Rangers now the poster team for steroids abuse?

SP Kevin Brown
RP John Rocker
C Pudge Rodriguez
1B Rafael Palmeiro
2B Randy Velarde
SS ARoid
3B Ken Caminiti
LF Ruben Sierra
CF Gary Matthews Jr
RF Juan Gonzalez
DH Joe Canseco

Mathews?

no Sammy?

Every team has players that are rumored to be on roids, but with the exception of Pudge and Sierra that list contains guys who have actually been implicated by other players or who have failed tests. It's more than just a couple rumors.

It also lends to the reason the Ballpark is a hitters park isn't because of any jet stream.

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It also lends to the reason the Ballpark is a hitters park isn't because of any jet stream.

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Yeah, cause I'm sure Texas is the only team that had a large # of players on steroids.

Texas just happened to have a team with a large # of offensive stars.

Bagwell, Tejada, Caminitti, Clemens, Pettite. Seems like a lot of the stars on the Astros were messing with the stuff as well.

This is a baseball-wide problem, not a Rangers specific problem.

Yeah, but a disproportionate number of prominent names linked to steroids seem to have made a trip through Arlington. The Rangers are the poster organization for steroids abuse, no matter how you slice it.

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Yeah, but a disproportionate number of prominent names linked to steroids seem to have made a trip through Arlington. The Rangers are the poster organization for steroids abuse, no matter how you slice it.

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You could make a case that a disproportionate number of prominent offensive players have made a trip through Arlington too.

Really you could make a case for the teams that had a lot of big name players... Hell, look at how many can be linked back to the Yankees - Pettite, Clemens, Knoblauch, Giambi, A-Rod, etc, etc...

I'm not saying that the Rangers can't be linked to a lot of them, but look at the offensive players the Rangers have signed over the years. Sosa's steroid abuse didn't start in Texas. Nor did Palmeiro's or Segui's.

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You could make a case that a disproportionate number of prominent offensive players have made a trip through Arlington too.

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Which is my argument for why the Ballpark's offensive numbers isn't because of any jet stream. For years the Rangers were all offense and no pitching. So more runs would be scored at the Ballpark because A. The Rangers could score a lot of runs. B. The pitchers sucked and gave up a lot of runs. This lead to the incorrect perception that you can't be a good pitcher in Arlington.

I stand corrected on Benji... Thought he had one really good season, but turns out I was focusing on one really good GAME instead (Orioles game).....

[This message has been edited by Daveintx (edited 2/9/2009 2:01p).]

Benji Gil had a pretty good year?

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Which is my argument for why the Ballpark's offensive numbers isn't because of any jet stream. For years the Rangers were all offense and no pitching. So more runs would be scored at the Ballpark because A. The Rangers could score a lot of runs. B. The pitchers sucked and gave up a lot of runs. This lead to the incorrect perception that you can't be a good pitcher in Arlington.

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That would be assuming that all or most of the steroid abusers in baseball were playing on the Rangers.

I think the Mitchell Report and subsequent names that have come out have proven the common thread is BASEBALL, not specifically the RANGERS.

So the steroid abusers on other teams would all be causing those parks to have high offensive skews, and they don't.

To doubt there's significant park effects in Rangers Ballpark is to ignore what every single hitter and pitcher that has come thru there has said.

Rocker, Velarde and Caminiti didn't play for this organization long enough to count them as "Rangers"

Claiming Rocker as a ranger is about as painful as claiming Leaf as a Cowboy

I guess when those "Who's more relevant the Astros or Rangers" threads start up this summer, Rangers fans can bring this thread up and point out that they changed the face of baseball for two decades.