In honor of the okc floppers, I was wondering, if you had to put together an all time great floppers team to compete with this years thunder, who would it be?

Criteria: player should be known for his flopping prowess, but also be a great player that doesn't really need to flop, but has integrated it into his play. The players should be both prolific floppers and great players.

PG: CP3
SG: SGA
SF: baby bron bron
PF: Draymond Green
C: Joel Embiid

Bench: Manu, Alex Caruso, James Harden, Vlade Divac

Interested to hear anyone else's all time flop team

Zachary Klement said:

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I love Harden, but I feel like he has to be in the starting five.

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I can see Harden replacing cp3 and it being Harden and SGA in the backcourt.

Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.

If you're including CP3 and Harden, most of their flopping was definitely when they were with other teams. Harden is most famous for flopping with the Rockets. CP3 I would put with the Pelicans.

Alex Caruso doesn't meet your definition of a great player who doesn't need to flop, so he's off the list for me.

I'm not the biggest fan of OKC, but flopping was waaaay worse 10-15 years ago. The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

Beat40 said:

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agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.
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The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

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And exactly 1 fine was given out this year for flopping. You think that's stopped anything? League needs to get back to reviewing games and assessing fines and giving technicals.

StillNotAnAggie said:

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Beat40 said:

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agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.
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The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

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And exactly 1 fine was given out this year for flopping. You think that's stopped anything? League needs to get back to reviewing games and assessing fines and giving technicals.

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That's fine. Flopping was absolutely worse from in the mid 2000s to early 2010s. The post was trying to paint OKC as the worst flopping team of all time by tying Harden and CP3 in there (along with Caruso).

Again, not a fan of OKC, but they are far from the worst as a whole. It's complete recency bias.

Here is flopping from 8-15 years ago:


Here is a short from 3 days ago about flopping being out of control:


Flopping was a hell of a lot worse than it is now. That does not invalidate the league needs to do something substantial about flopping today.

Beat40 said:

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agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.

If you're including CP3 and Harden, most of their flopping was definitely when they were with other teams. Harden is most famous for flopping with the Rockets. CP3 I would put with the Pelicans.

Alex Caruso doesn't meet your definition of a great player who doesn't need to flop, so he's off the list for me.

I'm not the biggest fan of OKC, but flopping was waaaay worse 10-15 years ago. The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

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LOL no way. You know how many players were fined for flopping this entire season? One. Malik Monk in December.

Beat40 said:

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StillNotAnAggie said:

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Beat40 said:

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agspirit_09 said:

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Is it a coincidence that half the all time floppers either play for or played for okc?

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Your recency bias is absolutely showing.
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The anti-flopping rules with technicals and fines were put in place in 2012.

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And exactly 1 fine was given out this year for flopping. You think that's stopped anything? League needs to get back to reviewing games and assessing fines and giving technicals.

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That's fine. Flopping was absolutely worse from in the mid 2000s to early 2010s. The post was trying to paint OKC as the worst flopping team of all time by tying Harden and CP3 in there (along with Caruso).

Again, not a fan of OKC, but they are far from the worst as a whole. It's complete recency bias.

Here is flopping from 8-15 years ago:


Here is a short from 3 days ago about flopping being out of control:


Flopping was a hell of a lot worse than it is now. That does not invalidate the league needs to do something substantial about flopping today.

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Okc is the worst in the league this year. It's systemic. All time? Not at all, but they're still up there as one of the worst

PG: Tony Parker
SG: Manu Ginobli

Yes. Flopping was way worse 15 years ago. Yes, more guys this year should have been fined this year.

These two are not competing statements.

I'm sorry your Spurs are playing OKC and you're watching some flopping. Just saying while it sucks and should be out of the game, it's soooo much better than the past.

LeBron didn't get the nickname LeFlop for nothing.

It's been a fun series as a third party watching, and I hope it goes 7 games!

No, you are a Spurs fan watching some flopping and frustrated by it, which is completely understandable, but you are completely forgetting the state of flopping from the past.

It should be taken more seriously and out of the game, but the OKC team as a whole is not anywhere near close to the worst of all time.

I do hope this game goes 7!

Beat40 said:

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No, you are a Spurs fan watching some flopping and frustrated by it, which is completely understandable, but you are completely forgetting the state of flopping from the past.

It should be taken more seriously and out of the game, but the OKC team as a whole is not anywhere near close to the worst of all time.

I do hope this game goes 7!

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Yes, I am a spurs fan and yes, I am frustrated by the ridiculousness happening on the court in front of me. I also acknowledge flopping used to be worse, in fact, I put Manu on my all time flopping team. I used to roll my eyes when he did it too. That doesn't mean that okc isn't the CURRENT worst example of a team that systemically uses flopping to gain an unfair advantage. I don't think that this years OKC is historically the all time worst, but I would put them in the top 5 TEAMS all time. The era of flopping that was the worst in my opinion was late 90s to early 2010s. The league addressed it, but has softened on enforcement so now it's become a problem again. prince James got special "face of the league" treatment so they couldn't enforce the flop rules on him, and now SGA is getting the same treatment. Meanwhile Wemby is getting assaulted every time down the court and it's hit or miss whether they call it.

I find it extremely ironic that OKC fans started up with the flopper chant last night aimed at Wemby.

SGA is flopping when jumping. It's uglier because we all know pro athletes don't push their feet forward before they land.

I dont remeber players flipping as much per game back in the day.

Y'all must be too young to remember how bad Karl Malone was at flopping. The worst.

It's one thing to exaggerate a charge or react a little to show the ref you were fouled, it's a whole different deal when it got to James Harden building an entire offense around it and finally SGA who perfected it and falls on over half his shot attempts and has road the flopping stategy all the way to the MVP of the league.

SGA and Harden are 1A and 1B and it's not particularly close to the next closest.

scd88 said:

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Y'all must be too young to remember how bad Karl Malone was at flopping. The worst.

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Hmm, maybe. But players were actually allowed to play defense during Malone's career. He earned plenty of fouls. Really, nothing at all like SGA or Harden.

scd88 said:

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Y'all must be too young to remember how bad Karl Malone was at flopping. The worst.

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He was not falling down 8, 9-10 times a game. No one was.