TAKE THE 5 SEED!

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Tressels Vest
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Forget home court in the second round. That matchup vs the injury plagued blazers looks mighty tasty. Other than a second round date with golden state, what is not to like with that matchup? Spurs or Rockets (**** I hate saying this) would easily advance. Rest up for Golden State and get ready for a long series. Don't think the warriors will sweep the first round. Davis causes a huge matchup problem while Westbrook is Westbrook.
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GS takes either series in 5 at most and a sweep is possible. How the hell is OKC going to beat GS more than once?
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Agree. Ideally, Houston beats Utah, Spurs lose to New Orleans, and we get the 2 seed.

But if that doesn't happen, I would prefer the 5 seed. Portland isn't at full strength, and revenge after last year's tragedy would be sweet.

I just hate those damn 9:30 PM tipoffs
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As a Spurs fan, I'm not thinking about the first round, I'm thinking about a championship run. And to get to the Finals, I want HCA as long as I can get it, and I want the Warriors as late as possible. Gimme the 2 seed and a slightly more difficult matchup with Dallas.
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GS takes either series in 5 at most and a sweep is possible. How the hell is OKC going to beat GS more than once?


A sweep is definitely possible but I don't think it's likely. 5 or 6 game series. Portland will be swept by whoever plays them. Their gas tank is empty, no fumes to even go on.
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IMO, GS sweeps OKC or NOH with three blowouts. Possible that they drop one, but not likely.
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I want to avoid GS and SA as long as possible. Would love for the Spurs to take the 5 seed and face the Warriors in the second round with the possibility of playing a tired Warriors/Spurs team. I feel much more comfortable playing a combination of Mavs, Grizz, and Clippers even though truthfully anyone of those teams could take down the Rockets.

I just want Saturday to be now!
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As a Spurs fan, I'm not thinking about the first round, I'm thinking about a championship run. And to get to the Finals, I want HCA as long as I can get it, and I want the Warriors as late as possible. Gimme the 2 seed and a slightly more difficult matchup with Dallas.

EDIT: Match up maybe. Not a better team.
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GS takes either series in 5 at most and a sweep is possible. How the hell is OKC going to beat GS more than once?


A sweep is definitely possible but I don't think it's likely. 5 or 6 game series. Portland will be swept by whoever plays them. Their gas tank is empty, no fumes to even go on.
The Thunder taking the Warriors to 6 is laughable. As a team, the Thunder play horrific defense and the Warriors have a great offense. That's a recipe for GS scoring 120+ every game. They MIGHT lose 1 because Westbrook and Ennis combine for 70-80+ but that's not a sure thing.

And the Pelicans? The Warriors are just a lot better than the Pelicans.
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The Rockets need to do everything possible to avoid having to face both Golden State and the Spurs. They can beat one of the teams but probably aren't getting through both. Being the 5 seed does not accomplish that. It pretty much guarantees facing both of them and having home court against neither of them. Plus, Portland is still a bad matchup for us. Yes, they are reeling, but we still don't have an answer for Aldridge, Batum always plays well against us, and Lilliard is going to go in dry against our PG's. The 5 seed is fine if we have to play them, but I'm not hoping for it.

The Clippers to me should be the ones who want the 5 seed. They basically are guaranteed either the 3 seed or 5 seed. They matchup better against Portland and actually matchup up relatively well against GS, but SA is not a good matchup for them. I would want the 5 seed if I were them.

SA does want the 2 seed, but honestly I don't think they care a ton where they end up. They know they will need to beat GS on the road at some point. They don't care what round and they sure aren't scared of them. Pop will try to win but he won't let the team log big minutes to do it and if NO gets a large lead he will pack it in.

I think it breaks down like this
Teams Everyone wants to avoid at all costs in the west: SA, GS
Teams That Everyone would Rather Not Face: Houston, LA
Teams That Everyone thinks they will beat: NO/OKC, Dallas, Portland
Team that No One knows WTF is going on: Memphis
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Teams Everyone wants to avoid at all costs in the west: SA, GS


I'm pretty sure multiple Rockets fans said the Spurs aren't anything special and could only beat the Rockets by sending Smoove to the line.
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SA does want the 2 seed, but honestly I don't think they care a ton where they end up. They know they will need to beat GS on the road at some point. They don't care what round and they sure aren't scared of them. ...

I think it breaks down like this
Teams Everyone wants to avoid at all costs in the west: SA, GS
Teams That Everyone would Rather Not Face: Houston, LA
Teams That Everyone thinks they will beat: NO/OKC, Dallas, Portland
Team that No One knows WTF is going on: Memphis

Part 1: I think the Spurs really want the 2 seed at this point, on principle alone. Would be a gut punch to slide back to 6 or so after playing so well for 2 months straight and piling up so many key wins. Besides, every team should want to put off GS until the WCF. Give 2 other teams a shot at the upset.

Part 2: Your ending paragraph is pretty spot on.
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Robinson>Hakeem? ***in drugs kill your brain man, thought you knew

SquirrellyDan
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Robinson>Hakeem? I'll have whatever it is you're smoking.
Houston Summit
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Robinson>Hakeem? I'll have whatever it is you're smoking.

He lost a bet with a spurs fan. He's a rockets fan. Nobody truly believes that nonsense
Guitarsoup
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Hakeem was very lucky that he had a much better coach. Robinson had to struggle with terrible coach after terrible coach until Pop showed up after his peak.
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Hakeem was very lucky that he had a much better coach. Robinson had to struggle with terrible coach after terrible coach until Pop showed up after his peak.

I guess now we've come full circle, huh?
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How about this: Hakeem was better at funding terrorists and Robinson was better at protecting our freedom by serving in the US Navy.
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How about this: Hakeem was better at funding terrorists and Robinson was better at protecting our freedom by serving in the US Navy.
Farmer1906
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Hakeem was very lucky that he had a much better coach. Robinson had to struggle with terrible coach after terrible coach until Pop showed up after his peak.
Most people don't consider Rudy a great coach. He's not even in the Hall. He was a manager of big egos, not a Xs and Os guy.
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Hakeem was very lucky that he had a much better coach. Robinson had to struggle with terrible coach after terrible coach until Pop showed up after his peak.
Most people don't consider Rudy a great coach. He's not even in the Hall. He was a manager of big egos, not a Xs and Os guy.
He did a fantastic job of Xs and Os in the 94 and 95 title run.

Specifically, he made sure Hakeem wasn't ever guarding Robinson until crunch time, while Robinson had to carry the entire load offensively and defensively. To make matters worse, Bob Hill refused to let anyone double team Hakeem when he was at his absolute career peak, so Robinson had to guard him straight up on the defensive end.

The Spurs coach then was Bob Hill. He was fired not too long after and no one hired him anywhere for four years. Then he finally got hired by Fordham where he won less than 1/3rd of his games. He was hired by Seattle to coach them while they tanked, they got Durant and fired him. And he never worked again.

If only that was the only coach that coached Robinson.

There was John Lucas, who does great things in rehabbing players with drug issues - something David Robinson likely didn't need. But he did play David Robinson at point guard, which led to a season where Robinson led the team in all 5 stats. So there is that.

Then there was Jerry Tarkanian, who was fired after just 20 games and a sub-.500 record.

Plus he had the sub-in coaches for the fired coaches. Robinson did have a little while with Larry Brown, who hated Red McCombs (the feeling was mutual) and was fired after having a record not much over .500.

Hard to compare the two situations.

Bill Fitch (one of the top ten coaches of all time), Don Chaney (won coach of the year) and RudyT. Or would you rather Jerry Tarkanian, John Lucas and Bob Hill.

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I was just saying it's not as big of a mismatch as Pop and McHale because Rudy was never Pop
Tressels Vest
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Getting back on topic...

Memphis just got an easy pass to the 2nd round. Meanwhile, Houston battles the Mavs and Spurs get the Clippers. Could be upsets...or at least long series...for both.
Farmer1906
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Houston has a big edge on D with Dwight. Obviously anything CAN happen but I see Houston winning in 5 or 6.
Guitarsoup
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I think RudyT's coaching advantage was a huge advantage then. Bob Hill is someone that honestly should have been coaching at the HS level. He was terrible. Rudy was a legit NBA coach. No one is saying he is on the Phil Jackson/Gregg Pop level, but I bet most of the teams in the league would have fired their coach to get him.

Having good coaches his entire career was a good thing for Hakeem. Having a couple years of a malcontent Larry Brown, then a rotating door of terrible coaches for 5 years was not good for Robinson.

Doesn't take anything away from Hakeem. He's one of the best ever. But good coaching is a huge advantage. Just ask Tim Duncan.
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The Clippers to me should be the ones who want the 5 seed. They basically are guaranteed either the 3 seed or 5 seed. They matchup better against Portland and actually matchup up relatively well against GS, but SA is not a good matchup for them. I would want the 5 seed if I were them.


I'll bet the Clippers are really wishing they had lost that game now. A Matchup with the Spurs in the 1st Round pitting 2 of the hottest teams in the league against one another isn't exactly a great reward for winning all those games.

And Golden State probably just punched their ticket to the West Finals. Memphis has looked atrocious and Portland is reeling. The Pelicans might be their biggest struggle.
AggieJ2002
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Your posts are all null and void if you think Robinson>Olajuwon

Just stop posting until you come to the realization of how dumb that is.

Although now I realize that was probably a sig bet so whoever made you put that should stop posting
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