This team isnt doing anything in the playoffs...once again.

This game against New Orleans is about the millionth game Ive seen them just blow against these guys.....and its about the 7 or 8th game ive seen them lose because they cant put away an opponent at all.

I dont see any way this team gets out of the first round with only two crunch time scorers.

It just doesnt work in the playoffs.

Huge collapse in the last two minutes.

That was a pretty bad choke job in that game right there.

Finishing the game on an 8-0 run to win by 1 in just a little over a minute? Terrible. That last possession could have used a little more imagination as well. At least get the ball to Dirk somewhere inside the arc. He's not going to be taking anybody off the dribble.

I wanna also add that I hate Jason Kidd.

How the f*** do you blow a 7 point lead in the final minute of the game???????????????

Up 6 with 1:13 to play and then David West does his best Von Miller impersintation on Dirk while going for a ball out of bounds. No foul called, and NEw Orleans gets the ball and bullies the Mavs into for another win.

If Chandler doesn't choke on those free throws its not a big deal and the Mavs win.

Dallass gives the Spurs another game cushion.

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Up 6 with 1:13 to play and then David West does his best Von Miller impersintation on Dirk while going for a ball out of bounds. No foul called, and NEw Orleans gets the ball and bullies the Mavs into for another win.

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I was behind on my DVR and I actually fast-forwarded through that but I thought I saw Dirk take a tech shot after that.

Yeah....we are really gonna go far in the playoffs with a point guard that will not score in the 4th quarter and fouls a player on a 3 point shot just handing them gotdamn game.

**** the Mavs and F**l Jason Kidd.

When this teams goes out in the 1st round again I hope all you Jason Kidd fans will realize he is the common denominator in all these playoff ass kickings we've gotten the past 3 and soon to be 4 years.

For Judge:

If you're interested, it is at the 1:13 mark. West does not even extend his hand out for the ball but sticks goes right after Dirk with his shoulder. After Dirk is sent to the seats, Cardinal comes to get him up and West nudges him in the back. They gave him a tech, but NEw Orleans kept the ball. Call it right and Dallas is up 7 with the ball and 1:13 left.

Again, we had plenty of chances to win, but that play got in our heads imo.

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Mavs won't catch the spurs but the lakers are creeping.

Everyone gets it. You don't like Jason Kidd. Just make it your sig and move on.

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Everyone gets it. You don't like Jason Kidd. Just make it your sig and move on.

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I hate the guy with a whitehot passion.

I hate his guts and we did just fine without his ass for about 10 years.

Give me point guards like Steve Nash and Nick Van Exel that arent pu$$ies.

Jason Terry and Dirk are the only two players that can be relied to score in the 4th quarter.

This just doesnt work in the playoffs.

As great a Shaq and Kobe were....Derek Fisher, Robert Horry..etc could still be counted on to hit shots.

If the Mavs face New Orleans with a healthy Paul they will be knocked out in about 6 games.

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If you're interested, it is at the 1:13 mark. West does not even extend his hand out for the ball but sticks goes right after Dirk with his shoulder. After Dirk is sent to the seats, Cardinal comes to get him up and West nudges him in the back. They gave him a tech, but NEw Orleans kept the ball. Call it right and Dallas is up 7 with the ball and 1:13 left.

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Just re-watched it. Pretty deliberate body check by West - he really has it out for Dirk. Got away with one for sure.

Regardless, that was a terrible loss. No CP3, stagnant down the stretch, fouled out Carl Landry, pivotal missed free throws, terrible last possession design. I had a feeling that game might go south after Belinelli hit that prayer. Feeling got worse with Willie Green's no-counter.

I just don't understand why you'd want Dirk to take the last shot off the dribble when he's been an absolute assassin off catch-and-shoots this season.

Tough to watch.

Did Christina Paul play?

No he didn't play.

To make it fair, Carlisle decided to play Cardinal for 21 minutes.

Judge,

I think they wanted Dirk on the elbow. Howeve, when Chandler screened West, Okafor made a smart play and switched and made Dirk go around him to the 3 point line. Of course that is my amateur telestrator (sp) skills at work.

terry can only be relied upon to score in the 4th quarter until the games matter. then he disappears.

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This team isnt doing anything in the playoffs...once again.

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Breaking news? Did you just figure this out tonight?

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When this teams goes out in the 1st round again I hope all you Jason Kidd fans will realize he is the common denominator in all these playoff ass kickings we've gotten the past 3 and soon to be 4 years.

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You realize that Kidd's role is really just a rich man's Adrian Griffin at this point? He's not supposed to be the focal point of anything. If you quit trying to make him into something that he's not then you won't be so ****ing angry. His role is to play smart team defense, run the transition game, then stand on the perimeter and make 3s. Every great team can use a glue guy like him in a limited role. He's 38 ****ing years old. You're melting down over one game where he screwed up at the end.

BTW by my count Dallas hasn't won a single game in NO since the 2007 season, including playoffs. Remember the Terry free throw meltdown from last season? Peja nailing a crazy 3 in 2008?

That sounds pretty close. We can add Chandler missing 2 free throws with 17 seconds left to ice the game to your list.

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You realize that Kidd's role is really just a rich man's Adrian Griffin at this point? He's not supposed to be the focal point of anything. If you quit trying to make him into something that he's not then you won't be so ****ing angry. His role is to play smart team defense, run the transition game, then stand on the perimeter and make 3s. Every great team can use a glue guy like him in a limited role. He's 38 ****ing years old. You're melting down over one game where he screwed up at the end.

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I cant remember....where you the one singing Kidd's praises right before our series against San Antonio?

I was the one saying that he was gonna dissapear once again in the playoffs and was probably going to get major league out played by the other teams guards.

and when he did you said I was right about Jason Kidd.

If this wasnt you I apologize.

And as far as Adrian Griffin:

He attacked the rim and played great perimeter defense. Two things jason kidd cant dream of doing.

i have no clue in the world why the hell Jason kidd gets the crunch time minutes in the 4th quarter when he cant score.


Look at the the close Mavs playoff games from 2001-2006 and you will see multiple guys making huge buckets in the 4th quarter of tight games.
Michael Finley, Nick Van Exel, Steve Nash, Jason Terry, Devin Harris, Jerry Stackhouse.

The past 3 years its only been Dirk and JET...and to be honest its really only been Dirk.

I dont see anything thats changed.

Jason Kidd has never had a big playoff game in a Mavericks uniform.....never.

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So you just said Dirk has been our only scorer, yet you seem to only blame our pass first point gaurd. Where's the blame for our shooting gaurd and small forward? Those are your traditional scorers.

Kidd is what he is: an old pass first point gaurd who relies more on his bball IQ than his athleticism at this point in his career.

Of all the Mavs problems, Kidd is not worth melting down over to this extent. I'm not going to the mat defending him anymore because I'm fed up with the way this team is structured. Kidd and Dirk need a ****ing wing player that can create his own shot and let them excel at their roles.

And yes he sucked in the playoffs last year and in the Nuggets series, so nothing I say about his regular season stats is relevant. That's the torture of being a Mavs fan.

You have a bad obsession with the Mavs 4th scoring option/glue guy. I'm not going to start a gloating thread when he makes a big play to help win a game.

Your point guard handles the ball more then anyone.......


AND ITS A GIGANTIC F***ING PROBLEM WHEN THE PERSON HANDLING THE BALL THE MOST IS NOT A THREAT TO SCORE


Ive been telling Mavs fans this for the past 3 years and its like no one believes me.

Part of what disappointing me so much last year was that we got our ass kicked by the weakest San Antonio team of the Tim Duncan era.

They were not that good last year. We get crushed. Jason Kidd dissapears.
George Hill (who?) along with Tony Parker take turns scoring at will over Kidd.

Then the Spurs get annihilated by a nothing more then pretty good Suns team (a Suns team that was nowhere close to Suns teams of 2004-2007) that features not one....but two guards that could score.

Water is wet.

I don't see him him handling the ball more than anyone. I see him dribbling it up, passing it in and standing around the perimeter.

When he plays next to Barea and Roddy they have no problem dominating the ball and attacking the basket to the best of their limited ability.

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Then the Spurs get annihilated by a nothing more then pretty good Suns team (a Suns team that was nowhere close to Suns teams of 2004-2007) that features not one....but two guards that could score.

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And the Suns got beat by a team without a scoring point guard.

thanks for costing me my ****ing W5 in SFTC ****heads

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If I remember this was your retort last year.

Every Jason Kidd fan comes with the same weak ass bullchit.

"Well look at the Lakers. They've won all those championships with Derek Fisher....Tee Hee Hee...Derek Fisher Sucks...Jason Kidd is way better.....Lakers are proof you dont need a scoring point guard "

My response....Youtube.

When the f**ck has Jason Kidd ever been a playoff performer like Derek Fisher has?

Has Jason Kidd ever hit these type of shots in playoff games?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRBhle2IX4Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyJ_o7XMP98



You cant leave Derek Fisher alone.....BECAUSE HE IS A THREAT TO SCORE.

Teams dont have to guard Kidd that hard at all in the 4th quarter..and if the other team takes away Kidds wide open three's.....then he is absolutely useless.

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This is a reminder why I'm so happy that Jason Kidd didn't kill the Spurs franchise when they tried to sign his sorry ass back in 2004.

To be fair...Kidd is shooting 37% from 3 this season. Granted, he might not be making those shots "in crunch time", as I don't watch the Mavs..but to say he isn't a scoring threat isn't exactly fair. If he has his feet set, he is a pretty good 3 point shooter. And that is about the extent of how "deadly" Derek Fisher is; a good, set shot 3 point shooter.

As a disclaimer, so you don't attack me like some kind of animal, I was equally a Mavs/Spurs fan until they swung the Jason Kidd trade, and after they traded for his grandpa ass, I dropped the Mavs.

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Every Jason Kidd fan comes with the same weak ass bullchit.

"Well look at the Lakers. They've won all those championships with Derek Fisher....Tee Hee Hee...Derek Fisher Sucks...Jason Kidd is way better.....Lakers are proof you dont need a scoring point guard "

My response....Youtube.

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You linked to Fisher hitting 2 wide open 3s, one of them from 10 feet behind the arc. This is not about 1 team the Lakers. The vast majority of championship teams the past 20 years have not relied on a scoring PG. The key is to have a dynamic scoring *perimeter player*. You are obsessing over the PG position. The Mavs backcourt has been ****ed up for the entire decade. There needs to be a balance of scoring and defense - and you completely underrate Kidd's defense on bigger PGs and SGs. I would rather replace Terry with a dynamic SG that creates his own shot than pair Terry with a scoring PG. That's why many of us wanted Devin Harris back to play next to Kidd and replace most of Terry's minutes

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This is a reminder why I'm so happy that Jason Kidd didn't kill the Spurs franchise when they tried to sign his sorry ass back in 2004.

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Jason Kidd post 2009 is a completely different player and person. No more drama, no more chemistry issues. He is a great veteran role player and teammate, nothing more is expected. That's why it's a little jarring to see someone melt down over him like this. The 2008 trade failed, because Kidd was not the superstar that they needed him to be. But he moved on, and the tortured Mavs fans have moved on (most of us anyway)

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To be fair...Kidd is shooting 37% from 3 this season. Granted, he might not be making those shots "in crunch time", as I don't watch the Mavs

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Check 82games.com - Kidd shoots better this year in the clutch at 41% 3P% then during the rest of the game. But none of that matters because he has been sub-par in the playoffs. Every Mavs argument eventually ends up with someone pointing to playoff failure.

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Until you have playoff success that doesn't end with losing 4 straight games to a 400lb Shaq, I assume it always will be like that.

Man, talk about a meltdown. Isn't it an 82 game season? Chandler makes those FT's or the ref doesn't bail Cuba Gooding Jr. (aka Jarrett Jack) out and this thread doesn't exist.

And for all of the Kidd haters, didn't he deliver a game in Boston this year?

yup... said it in another thread but this season has done an outstanding job of proving how fickle the NBA regular season is and how reactionary everyone is to it.

Kidd has never performed in the playoffs. Kittles basically carried the Nets to the finals all on his own.