We should use a 4-2-5 because it would allow us to get better pressure on the quarterback and also let us get our strength areas on the field (DL and CB) while eliminating some of the weaker linebacking corps at the same time.

When I was coaching many years ago I would use this formation when my linebackers were not up to speed. I would run 4 DL's, only 1 linebacker, 5 DB's, and occasionally a roving linebacker that I nicknamed "The Super Cheater Back" that would roam all over the field.

You never knew what the SCB would do on a given play. He might blitz one down and cover in a punt formation on the next. You can't prepare for it. It works extremely well against pass oriented offenses and it really ****s with the head of the other teams offensive coordinator.

Trust me, this would work. I've been there before.

I hope this helps.


BJB 4 LIFE.

As long as you are willing to give up 10 yards on every run...go for it. There is a reason the 4-2-5 is a passing defense in college.

My 4-2-5 is only a passing defense if the SCB drops into coverage. That's the beauty of the whole thing.

Sometimes he won't go into coverage, he will do something else instead. When that happens, the entire focus of the defense instantly changes. It goes from a pass defense, to a run defense. You see? That way it will work equally well under both circumstances.

If things start to go bad in one area, you simply change formations slightly. Of if you want to get really crazy, you can mix in an extra SCB. If you put one on the line and one in pass coverage, for example, BOOM, you have protection both ways.

The SCB creates what I like to call "a cone of apprehension" for the opposing offense. It really dictates the tempo and flow of the game if you do it right.

Think about it.

I hope this helps.


BJB 4 LIFE.

I can tell this may take all night, but you have to consider that we don't have 3 linebackers, nor do we have 3 DB's. How could you possibly run a 4-2-5 without any personnel? We're not exactly flush in talent in the secondary!!

I think it's a great idea. Were only getting 2 for the price of 3 at LB anyway. The only problem is that we are kinda doing it already, the three LB's never line up side-by-side-by-side.

But it's a good way to make Appel the Rover (he plays like an LB anyway), and find someone with more range to play FS.

We need a stalker at FS that makes it risky to throw in the middle and can support the CB's from sideline to sideline.

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Hard to follow your logic...

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Sometimes he won't go into coverage, he will do something else instead. When that happens, the entire focus of the defense instantly changes. It goes from a pass defense, to a run defense. You see? That way it will work equally well under both circumstances.

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I am not sure where you football knowledge comes from, but WOW!!! In every play no matter what the defensive call is...everyone is reading run/pass and then reacting/correcting to their read.

Please stop the insanity!!

Not a bad idea really....but I think a 4-2-6 would serve A&M better against teams like...well, anyone.

Ah, you are catching on! This is precisely why my 4-2-5 variation would work. It is designed for exactly these types of personnel shortages.

The key to this is the play of your SCB.

If he can steer the offense towards the "cone of apprehension" it really does not matter how good your linebackers are. The SCB is all about containment and making the big plays on defense. It doesn't matter if he is pulled from the DL, the LB, or the CB. Heck, the best one I ever coached was a converted halfback.

Defense is about confusion. In all my years, I have never seen anything more confounding to an offense than the "cone of apprehension". In fact, I used to call it the "cone of confusion" but that was hard to say so I had to change it.

Trust me. It will work.



BJB 4 LIFE.

JamesAg96, your sarcasm tank must be full.

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You cannot run the same defense every play. After a few rushes, they will start splitting the seams and put 500 yards on you just running the ball. Then, if you tighten up they will scorch you deep. Crazy to think anyone would propose this as an all-game scheme.

No they won't.

Remember the Super Cheater Back? That's the whole point.

That's why he has his job.

That's how he gains every ounce of his football glory.

Remember, this variation takes into account both the running as well as the passing games. The only thing it doesn't work well against is special teams, but it is even GREAT for that if they ever try to run some sort of a fake.

The most exciting part?

We already have, in my opinion, the best Super Cheater Back prospect I have ever scouted on our roster RIGHT NOW.

And he is riding the pine...


Wake up coaches!



BJB 4 LIFE.

The suggestion boils down to taking an LB out and putting another SS in. It’s not necessarily a cosmic change to your situation packages.

If I were in the “war room”, I’d say it's worth a try (unless your afraid of upsetting the defensive harmony)

In 2003 Colorado ran a 3-2-6 dime package the entire game tceh and picked BJ off 6 times.

Is the SCB's name SuperMan? Can he leap tall players in a single bound? Can he outrun speeding bullets while fending off a block. The basis you are making is that this guy makes all the tackles because now 11 players will only defend 10 players. That's not how the game is played. The blocking schemes will find the SCB and he will become completely useless or they will just run away from him, run a tackle trap to suck him and then dart to sidelines.

This scheme works at times. We run a 4-2-5 quite often. Not sure we ever use your "SCB", but we frequently run a 4-2-5 in long yardage situations.

Who is the guy sitting the bench?

You can't find the SCB because he's never in the same position twice.

You see, that's where the whole "cheater" concept comes in. He is unpredictable and cunning. If you look for him, you will never find him.

In that regard, the SCB is very much like love.

I am unaware of A&M using the SCB, but I would be fine with sharing the concept with them if they are interested in learning. I don't do this for the individual glory, I do it for the team.


Trust me. It will work. And I can prove it.



BJB 4 LIFE!

Doing it against tt is a different argument; everyone plays them with a dime package all the time.

This is an idea that is an adjustment to our "base" defense because our secondary is so bad and we aren't getting "our money's worth” with 3 LB's anyway.

... different point

http://members.aol.com/queensarh/425/425.htm

McNeese State developed their version of the 425 defense back in the early 90's. It was not a pass defense, but rather a run stop defense. It is 4 down linemen, 2 middle linebacker types, and 2 strong safties at the edge of the box. It gives 8 men in the box with the ability to quickly drop those SS into pass coverage or lateral containment. McNeese needed a package that fit their abiltiy to recruit, i.e., SS type bodies are more plentiful than true LB's at the I-AA level.

A&M should not have to resort to a I-AA defensive scheme.

- One of the outside LB's sits
- Appel moves to Rover
- don't know on a FS, Chambless I guess.

Very good.

One slight but very important difference thought that I feel I must point out...

McNeese never used the "cone of apprehension" in their 4-2-5 alignment. The basics are similar, yes, but that is where we really had our falling out over there. Differences in philosophy are often deal breakers.

Without the cone, the SCB can't be as effective in my opinion. It's like drinking a cup of water without the cup. Remember, the SCB is a playmaker. My coaching philosophy has always been to get your playmakers involved on both sides of the ball. Why would you do it any other way?

It's like my grandfather used to tell me a long time ago...

"****tin' out a pumpkin seed ain't gonna grow you an orchard."



BJB 4 LIFE.

um... am I the only one who noticed that we only played a 4-2-5 defense last night???

We never strayed from it all night long. I agree that it is a pretty good idea for a defense, but as evidenced from last night, we dont run it so well.

We did, but we need to sit one of the outside LB's and replace them with an DB.

The 4-2-5 we played had an LB playing the ROV, not a DB.

TCU used the 4-2-5
against OU on their opener, and I would say it looke more successful that whatever we are doing on defense.

I mentioned our frequest use of the 4-2-5 last evening. I was at the game and haven't watched the replay yet so I was not sure we ran it every play. If we did, I would have to assume that is because we kept seeing 5 wideouts. We have got to figure this out. Adding another rover, etc. isn't the solution. Frankly I cannot even figure out what "scheme" we run anymore. I can read how we line up, but the players are always seemingly confused before the play and then they run around covering random players downfield and missing tackles. Hard to know what we are trying to do as far as schemes go.

The 4-2-5 would be great to fix this. If we only had 5 DB's that were capable of playing.

I call BS on Aggie Grad Student.

Am I the only one who is completely creeped out by Aggie Grad Student?? "Cones of Apprehension"? "I will share my knowledge with your coaches if they are interested"? "The SCB is clever and cunning"????

Who is this guy, Yoda?

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I'm with you. He/she sounds more like my 14 year old neighbor after missing a dose of his "meds" and confusing a few football websites with stuff he's seen on the sci-fi channel.

The general point is that something must happen to fit the best defensive players who must be on the field. The present scheme doesn't work.

The DC has to be flexible or this will be a long season.

I think every defensive position should be up for grabs working towards the game against baylor.

Sure, but what you fail to understand is that my Super-Duper Charger Back is like love, or even bliss.
That is how he gains his everlasting glory.

And the good news? I just saved a ton of money by switching my car insurance to Geico.

No way... my Double Lightning Scram Blaster can converge on everything in his wall of destruction. And do it in half the time of a regular Lightning Scram Blaster. In fact, he is so powerful, I can only use him every other series cause his energy levels drain rapidly. Maybe your coaches can come up with a way to modify his recharger nacelles so he can wear them while on the field.

HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! Loaded, you just made me laugh so hard that my milk came out of my nose!! Touche.

I guess Aggie Grad Student's mommy made him turn off the computer and go to bed.
Aggie Grad Student: "But mom, I was just about to tell them all about my Plasma Powered Nexus of Nerves!!"
Aggie Grad Student's Mom: "Now, Aggie Grad Student, you know I told you to stop making the nation's collegiate football coaches look bad with your proven theorums and laws!"
Aggie Grad Student: "Aw, gee, ma...."

(he then snuggles into bed wearing his footed pajamas and holds his Super-Duper Charger Back doll real close)

This guy's a grad student. I think he knows what he's talking about.

"The heck with radiation....Let's go!"... The Mad Red Planet

Aggie Grad Student - what level did you coach on?