http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8418674/1

So here is a preview of the first round of the 2006 draft put out Monday. Vince Young sits at #7 as a junior entering the draft, yet Reggie is nowhere to be found. Hes not even on the players to watch list after the first 32 players listed.

Now I know I am bias in Reggie's favor, but you can't tell me that Vince Young is THAT much better of a pro prospect than Reggie. Reggie is four times the passer that Vince Young could ever dream to be.

I agree that as a QB quarterback, there is no way VY should be rated higher. However, I can at least see the arguement that VY could be drafted that high based on the fact that he's a freak of nature and one of the best ballcarriers I've ever seen. Reggie is a better quarterback (put Reggie on t.u. and they are your current national champs) but he may not be a first round pick, whereas it's entirely reasonable for VY to get picked top 10. I just don't think it will be as a quarterback. Unfortunately, VY is getting all the love because he had his best game when it counted most. That's what people remember.

oh no...

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no longer actually tacking on an extra year. i had to get a real job.

Reggie will not be a first round pick.

I think that is kind of low for REggie, but maybe it is an indication of a little hometown bias you Aggies have towards him.

He is a bit small and while he was a stud in games 2-7 last year, he was not that great in games 1 and 8-12. Incidentally, the best teams you played were in that group.

That said, a great SR year and he will rocket up the charts.

Fellas....It is April

If Reggie does these, he will be one of the first 20 players selected...
1. Stays healthy the entire year
2. Throws for 2800+ and rushes for 700+ with 25 TD's combined and less than 10 TO's.
3. Weighs in at the combine at 220 pounds or more.

If he can prove to be durable and put on weight, the prospect of a sub 4.4 guy with a rocket arm will not go unnoticed.

Reggie is an 8-0 or 7-1 start from being a front runner for NYC.

Objective Texas Guy....

If you think Reggie was not great in the OU game you are not being rational. He was lights out dominant until Cody hurt him.

2TD's Passing, 1TD Rushing, 4-4 on his first four third downs.

OU had no answer for Reggie. None.

Reggie will go higher than that because of one thing...speed.

As we saw with Matt Jones, the pros can't resist that kind of speed.

Now as for the comparison with Young, Reggie is smaller and there will undoubtedly be discussion about whether he can take the pounding that an NFL QB takes, but he has unreal arm strength. Young could probably take the beating, but throwing is clearly not his long suit.

As a result, I think the possibility exists that BOTH fall to the second round. Unpopular, I know, but Vince may go the way of Heupel and White: Heismans that are selling insurance. I think Reggie gets selected in the draft, but I think it's very possible that the NFL wants him to play WR. On the other hand, both could go early.

It's too early to tell, but I don't see Young ever making it as a QB in the NFL. No offense intended to anyone.

Reggie through for over a 1000 yards more than Young last year while running for almost the same (within 100 yards) amount. Had more TD passes and considerably fewer INTs. And, a higher QB rating.

All this with a poor to average offensive line, and without a premier running back.

I know Young got a lot of hype of the Rose bowl, (any QB from tu would), but the fact is, to compare these two as quarterbacks, is not even a fair comparison. Reggie is head and shoulders better, and believe me the people who eventually have to pay them, know which one is as well.

Also, look for all defenses this year to completely stack the line against tu and dare them to duck, er, I mean, pass the ball.

I don't think Alex Smith was on anyone's top QB's coming into last season.

Oh but wait, Kyle Orton from Purdue was and well, you know.....

this thread already exists on rivalries, but just one side note, if mcneal was the quarterback at texas, we would not be national champs. There is no way in hell we were better than USC last year, and our wideouts were pathetic...

Vince Young didn't exactly look like a champ every week either.

VY is getting pub because he looked awesome in the Rose Bowl. Reggie isn't because we got whupped in the Cotton Bowl. End of story.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't passing skills be more desirable in an NFL qb than running skills?

Name one NFL qb that was considered a lackluster passer in college. Just name one. Granted VY still has two years (unless he goes next year) to develop those skills, but as it stands right now he won't go in the first round as a QB.

Last I checked running/scrambling ability was considered a plus in the NFL, not the primary quality of interest in a qb.

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think that is kind of low for REggie, but maybe it is an indication of a little hometown bias you Aggies have towards him.

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I dont think it's a bias.

Stats from Last Year:
Passer Rating:
Reggie=137
VY=128

Passing Yards:
Reggie=(3rd in Big12)2791yds
VY=(8th) 1849yds

Total Offense
Reggie=8th in Nation
VY = 32nd in the Nation

And this is with a tougher schedule and weaker OL.

aggrad,

The overall stats to a large extent miss the point.

Vince showed dramatic improvement as a passer in his first full year as starter, completing more than than 63% of his passes during the second half of the season. Most correctly assume that he'll only continue to improve as a junior (see Reggie's improvement between his Soph-Junior years). Add that to his freakish running ability and Rose Bowl performance, and it's not a shocker he's so highly thought of by the national media.

Reggie, on the other hand, was hurt by a late-season slide. I don't think it was all necessarily his fault, but he definitely didn't put up the numbers he did early. He'll have a chance to shine this year with a better supporting cast.

This Vince vs. Reggi garbage is getting old; they are both awesome QBs. As to who's better, time will sort them out. Is it September yet?

Hook'em

[This message has been edited by West Horn (edited 4/27/2005 3:19p).]

I agree that Reggie is better then what SI is saying, but when it counted vs. the tough teams, he really did not do well. In fact, I'd argue he was average to bad.

VY did come through in all the big games at the end of the year. That is why he gets more hype.

You don't have to agree, it is simply their rationale.

I think when Reggie comes through particularly in the second half in tough games, he will get the love.

Good grief. Consider the talent that has been around Reggie the last two years. Two years ago there was little to none. Last year, most of the top talent on the team was RS fish. How can you expect Reggie to be a one man team against top competition, when the rest of his team doesn't come along?

Put Leinart in there with the kind of rush REggie was getting and see how he would do. Not very well, I'd wager. This is still a very young team, and the the team around him will not reach its full potential until after REggie is gone.

Vy had Benson to take all the pressure off him. Reggie had no running game to speak of last year. Let's see how this year plays out with Reggie having a J. Lane to carry the rock, and VY NOT having Benson.

Gig'em<BR>Outrigger<BR>

"Let's see how this year plays out..."

Smartest comment made in any of the 500 Vince v. Reggie debates currently raging on these boards.

Hook'em

This argument is tired now. It is April though and we have nothing else.

I guess we all have to be patient for the run the Aggies are going to have during September and October. This is the best team since 1998, and probably even better than that since the Big 12 sucked that year.

Everyone else will just have to sit tight and tell themselves that Reggie had a November swoon when he didn't. He was as good as he could be around the talent we had.

2005 will be his year to shine.

the

cycle

continues

I forget, who was 2nd team all Big 12 QB last year (behind J White)?



(edit: forgot the wink)

[This message has been edited by MemphisAg (edited 4/27/2005 3:42p).]

"but when it counted v. the tough teams, he really did not do well"

What games did you watch? Reggie scored a touchdown in every overtime possession he had against Baylor, CO, TT. He scored everytime he had to in regulation against the aforementioned plus K St and OU. Do you have any idea how many 3rd and longs he completed to keep us in the OU game. Reggie was clutch and the only shining spot on a team with glaring deficiencies (o-line, defense, special teams).

A&M was not good enough to finish third in the Big 12 last year, but did for one reason. Reggie.



[This message has been edited by iba (edited 4/27/2005 3:51p).]

West Horn--

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aggrad,
The overall stats to a large extent miss the point.

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Ummm, no they dont.

I agree that the Reggie vs. VY thing is getting tired. They are both good QB's and are arguably better at different things.

However, I thought I'd throw some factual statistics in the mix, for comparisons sake. Which show why the original poster was dissapointed that Reggie wasn't included....and why some people think the #7 overall is a little high for VY.



[This message has been edited by aggrad99 (edited 4/27/2005 3:47p).]

aggrad,

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

It's my contention that when projecting future success, you not only take into account past results, but also trends in those results. Ex: I'd rather have a .300 hitter at the plate who's .500 over the last 10 games than a .310 guy who's 0-5.

Hook'em

[This message has been edited by qunique_2004 (edited 4/27/2005 4:03p).]

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He is a bit small and while he was a stud in games 2-7 last year

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Vince, on the other hand, was a stud in just one game last year.

West Horn,

The .310 hitter is 0-5 because he's been playing with 1 hand tied behind his back. You keep comparing VY and McNeal like it is apples to apples.

Look for Mack and company to be hyping VY for Heiseman this year. Was listening to sports radio during the drive to work yesterday a.m. and heard the following quote from Mack regarding Reggie: "His performance in Spring play has been so impressive that comparisons to Michael Vick are not unwarranted".

West Horn--

I took into account last season only. Not a 10 year career that is declining. Realize that as the team might have had a couple November slumps...Reggie has remained consistent. The team around him is lacking....not him.

Per your example.....You can have the player who has proven himself for 10 games. I'll take the player who has great numbers over the whole season. I think this is more logical.

But like I said, they are both good QB's. I was simply adding pertinent stats to the mix.

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a preview of the first round of the 2006 draft put out Monday

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That tells me all I need to know.

About this time last year, I don't remember anyone touting Alex Smith as the #1 draft pick. That's why they play the games.

[This message has been edited by Ag2k1 (edited 4/27/2005 4:23p).]

iba and Aggrad,

"The team around him is lacking....not him."

This seems to be a common theme. Ignoring for a moment the fact that I disagree that you can't compare players of different level teams, let me ask:

At the very least, is it safe to say that for the upcoming season we can compare Vince and Reggie on a somewhat level playing field?

Hook'em

West Horn--

So are you saying that our OL is as good as your OL?

No.

We're getting there...but not there yet.

And again, I'm not arguing with you about who is better. I was simply adding facts to why the original poster (and others) feel like Reggie is slighted compared to VY sometimes.

Sept. 3rd....please get here.

"Vince, on the other hand, was a stud in just one game last year."

I'll assume you're joking.

West Horn,

I never said you couldn't compare QB's who played on different level teams. But doing a straight statistical comparison makes no sense. A QB who spends a season watching the game from his butt or running for his life should have no where near the stats of a QB in a well protected and balanced offense.

And while I would suggest that tu's o-line next year should be tops in the league, I will say this. At the end of next season there will be no question about the status and ability of McNeal. Barring injuries, etc., A&M will be solid enough to definitively prove McNeal's worth.

we had a better o-line, you had better receivers