I don't post much, but this site is killing me. I hear all this banter about how 6-5 is a positive and a step in the right direction....what the hell are you talking about? WAKE THE HELL UP!!!

The poll on the Home page of this site has 87% guessing the ags will post an 8-3 record or better only now saying that 6-5 is a step in the right direction????

Beating Baylor 73-10 last year then losing this year??? Who did the improvement here?

The only difference between this year and last year is last year the non conference schedule was much tougher with Va Tech, Pitt, and Utah. Substitutions of Clemson and Wyoming make this season a wash with last.

Reggie plays better with less turnovers but that is the only improvement I see.

OU sets Adrian loose in front of his family in from Palestine. Tech then throws for over 500 only to make Vince Young look like the heisman trophy winner thanksgiving and a 6-5 season with more recruits going to OU, Texas, and Tech.

Off my soap box.

We were 4-8, so yes. Pretty simple math actually.

Is it enough of an improvement (assuming we lose the next 3 which I don't think will happen) is the real queation? Who knows. Going into this season I didn't think we'd win 8 and I didn't think we'd lose 8. We'll fit somewhere in the middle as most people expected. Does anyone think that with a senior recruiting class this year that is subpar (basically Hightower who redshirted, Hang and then absolutely no one) was going to produce a great season? Next year is when we should have high expectations with Reggie's class entering its senior season and 3 solid recruiting classes behind him.

Yes. It is. I guarentee you most people would have taken it to start the year. Our expectations were raised when we were 6-1, so our heartache is understandable.

6 > 4

Yes. Did you take math?

Depends how you look at it but regardless, with that record we would end up 5th in the Big XII south, same as last year. Let's hope we win one of these next ones, preferably Tech.

6-5 is an overall improvement.
But its also a bit of a letdown after starting 6-1 and having your second loss to Baylor

I guess the good thing is that we won a game we really should have lost with Colorado. Would have hated to be 5-6.

2 words: Bowl Eligible. I'd say that is an improvement.

We are vastly improve over last year. Not only do we have more wins (with four left to play), but we have been at least competitive in all but one of those.

I think the next three games will really give us an indication. These are our toughest games of the season. Compare the results of the next three weeks to the same games from last year. That should be a reasonable measuring stick for our progress.

Personally, I expect to compete in all these games and win one or two of them.

What did Mack Brown or Bob Stoops do in their second seasons?

Now, how much people think 6-5 is an improvement?

also, don't forget that osu blew us out at Kyle last year and we turned around and blew them out in Stillwater this year.

that was revebge game number one that we won.

we beat Colorado, a team that we had a 1-4 record agaisnt and had NEVER beaten at Kyle field.

We actually had a QB getting heisman hype!!!

when has that EVER happened at A&M??

we beat a ranked team on the road...something that hasn't happened since 1997!

This program has a bright future. one game does not a program make or break.

If you look at the season as a whole, it is impossible to deny that we have improved, and by a large margin.

last year's team would be 2-6 right now.

Last years team would have been 2-6 right now because they lacked luck. This team has had luck up to this point, and it seems to have run out.

6-5 is a mathematical improvement but to lose to Baylor tells me there are underlying problems with the program.

The non-turnover/McNeal interception train officially has come to an end. It had better not be a runaway train or it could get ugly. The Ags have been lucky not to turn the ball over so far this year.

What would you be happy with next year if the same amount of "improvement" occurs for '05. Road games include @Clemson, @Colorado, @ Kansas State, @Tech, and @OU.

You cannot dispute that we look like a better team this year.

However, we still have a ways to go to compete with teams like OU and tu. If either had been on the other side of the ball last night instead of Baylor, they would have beaten us to the tune of something like 60-10.

Until we improve our defense overall, and specifically our pass defense, we will beat mediocre teams, lose to good teams, and occasionally there will be a fluke win (e.g., OSU) or a fluke loss (e.g., Baylor). No real consistency, in other words.

2 wins more than last year. 3 losses less. Pretty simple formula. If we go 6-5 this year, then you'll have a damn hard time arguing we didn't improve.

all i was hoping for before this year began...was at least 6-5. of course, i want more...but i understand rebuilding a program under a new coach with a new style...it takes more than just a year or two. i'll be hoping for 7-4...but 6-5 is what i was expecting. (i didn't expect one of the 5 to come from baylor...but it's been a weird season)

We'll have four more chances to get another win counting a bowl...

we hadnt lost to baylor in 17 years...streaks are bound to end at some point



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6-5 is a mathematical improvement but to lose to Baylor tells me there are underlying problems with the program.

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Last time we lost to Baylor it was also our second loss of the year. We proceeded to win out, go 10-2, win the conference and win our bowl game. After that year we went 9-3 the next year and 10-2 the year after that.

Sweet lord some of you guys are bandwagoners. We had a bad game, they happen. Miami lost to UNC, they're not in the depths of 1-A football.

I would say we are a lot better, and recruiting is going well. We will be MNC contenders starting next year.

Honestly, 6-5 from 4-8 is not much of an improvement because the only thing that really changed from last year is your schedule. Let's assume for a second that A&M loses to Tech, OU and Texas as expected.

Last season A&M beat Wyoming, Utah, Baylor and Kansas, a group that included 2 teams that ended up going to a bowl. A&M lost to OU, Texas, Tech, VT, Pitt, NU, OSU and MU and each went to a bowl game.

This season A&M will have beaten Wyoming, Clemson, OSU, KSU, ISU and CU, a group that again includes 2 bowl attendees. A&M will have lost to Utah, OU, Texas, Tech and Baylor. Now A&M still loses to the remaining bowl bound teams on its schedule but now drops a game to a team that can't qualify for a bowl even when it plays I-AA teams. Utah and OSU traded places on the list as beaten bowl bound teams but A&M's loss count declined because it traded a strong OOC set (Utah,Pitt, VT & Ark St) for a weaker set (Utah, Wyoming & Clemson) and played one fewer game.

An ascending program is a team who's football play gets better at a rate faster than its competition and so the winning percentages of the teams to whom it loses should increase while the winning percentages of the teams it beats should rise as well reflecting the fact that the team is now beating stronger competition. A season-to-season comparison would probably show that the win percentage of the teams beaten by A&M is about the same while the win percentage of the teams A&M has beaten actually declined as BU would kill the average.

Did A&M improve this year? A little but not enough to say that DF is making a difference yet in the quality of the play on the field.

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We will be MNC contenders starting next year

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Everyone starts the season as a theoretical contender until they start losing.

A&M visits Lubbock, Norman, Manhattan & Clemson next year. A&M loses 3 of those 4 and three loss teams are not MNC contenders. You'll have a new starting QB before A&M and MNC belong in the same sentence.

6-5 is a MAJOR STEP FORWARD

Our 4-8 record last year didn't even come close to discribing the season. We were probably the worst 4-8 team in the Nation last year. We were totally uncompetitive.

This year we have won 2 road games (one ranked),come from behind in the 4th qtr, had a 6 game winning streak against a group including (Wyo, Clemson, Kst, ISU, OSU, and CU).

We were upset by Baylor just as FSU and Miami were upset this weekend.

This TEAM has already proven itself and the season is not over yet.

How the hell do you say we lose 3 of those sipper?

Yes, it is an improvement. Guys, please remember that most on this board wanted 6-5 or 7-4, and even then some of us had to "hope" for some games to reach that.

We have had 2 great recruiting classes, going on a third. Only 1 of those recruiting classes has played. Enjoy the ride, cowgirls.

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Franchione later added of his 4-6 Aggies: “We all feel like (opponents) need to get their licks in while they can.”

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Hey sip, perhaps your criteria for determining improvement differs from ours. Yes, we have improved our win-loss records, which is one way to measure. Our opponents are respected programs as well, which is another unit of measurement. But more important, in my book, is the attitude improvement and heart that I see our YOUNG guys playing with. They believe in the team, and in the coaches. They are working on a long term plan for success (ie. Coach Fran's pyramid), which will result in a National Championship, if they work it right. That, in my opinion, allows me to say yes that we are improving and will continue to do so.

Hopefully you can say the same thing about your program. Truthfully, you are no closer than we are since our conference records are the same at this point...

Hey sip, you'll have to learn how to beat Okie U before you can sniff a MNC.

The original poster is a perfect example of a bandwagon jumping sip. Dude needs to head back to austin. loser.

Anyone who does not think this team has improved over last years debacle is a freaking moron. That or you think that football is plaayed with a round ball. Since some of you seem to be math chalenged pleas see and adult to help explain the numbers.

From the Defense

2003 2004
sacks 21 28
fum 13 9
int 6 10
pts 38.8 20.1
yds 431 364

From Offense

2003 2004
pts 25.3 31.8
yds 389.8 452
int 13 1
sack 33 9

record 4-8 / 6-2

Granted we have 3 very tough games left, however this team is a hell of a lot easier to watch than last. It takes time for a program to get back on track and it is not 100% fair to throw all blame on coaches untill they have an entire team of their recruits. After that everything is fair game.

let's see now. when Jackie came in he was the savior. well we didn't exactly start off then as a dominate team. we had some short comings then like we have now. this team is young. many people seem to forget some of our key player are in their first year of playing on this team. i think we are still in the growing pains stage. things are much better than they were last year. so far only 1 blow out loss and there will only be a max of 4 that can possibly happen but i am banking on either just the one we already have or maybe one more. we are a much more competitve team and a lot of the gripers were saying 6-5 at the start of the year. i'm not going to quit on this team and if you are a real ag you shouldn't either. i hope to never have to endure another 4-8 saeson agian but if i somehow do i still won't quit. like Jason Carter said AGGIES NEVER QUIT!!! never should quitting even be a part of a conversation involving the team unless it is what another team did against us. your true colors show in times like this and i don't know about you but mine are maroon through and through. if yours isn't then you are a bandwagon fan who needs to go over to hornfans or raiderpower and sign up cause we don't want you here

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Yes. For all of the reasons mentioned above.

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we hadnt lost to baylor in 17 years...streaks are bound to end at some point

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Not to teams on par with your local high school

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How the hell do you say we lose 3 of those sipper?

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When is the last time A&M won in Norman? 1997 (pre-Stoops)
When is the last time A&M win in Lubbock? 1993 (pre-Leach)
When is the last time A&M won a season opener against a real team on the road? BYU: nope. Utah: nope. ND: nope. FSU: nope. LSU '94: yep.

You only have to lose one more of the remaining two games to make 3. I also forgot to include that A&M visits CU. I pick A&M losing no fewer than 3 and more probably 4 of its road games next season.