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Ruffini and Joe make a very good point

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All I do is Nguyen
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I am aware we all know our run D is highly suspect at times. I agree with them that a good run team will be our downfall in the SEC championship or the playoffs.

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He's right, you know
Bill Superman
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We just beat one of the top running teams.

Next.
Who?mikejones!
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Mizzou is an excellent run team. And a really good defense. Best one we've yet see and maybe will until the playoffs.

Its all about match ups. A running team that cant stop our offense with any regularity- they can't keep up.

The reality is its a lot harder to run down the field consistently against our d or anyone's. We give up some chunk plays, sure. But we also make a lot of tackles for loss and sacks. That gets peoole behind the chains and puts them in situations where they aren't comfortable using their run game.

Plus, we dont often play from behind. A team trying to catch us is likely going to try and do so through the air.

Both of mizzous backs went for more than a hundred. But, the total stat is a little misleading. Rb1 went for 50 on play one and then had practically none until the game was done. Rb2 also got most his yards when the game was done. I dont see a better rushing team on our schedule than mizzou.

Phatbob
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Bama has no run game, so it won't be in the SEC conference championship
Jarrin Jay
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If we win out and are in Atlanta our likely opponent is Alabama, and they are terrible at running the ball, like awful.

But yes teams that can both run and pass proficiently like we can stresses our D the most, and any defense really.
pacmanj
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Mizzou, Arkansas and ND are all in the top 30 for rushing offense and we've beat all 3 in their home stadiums. I think we do ok against great rushing teams
Eric Forman
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Seems to me, the Ags do a good job of not allowing long bomb passes... and yeah they get dashed on the ground. That is until they're backed up to their own redzone. In a shorter field, they're pretty stout. Seems to work
Sparkie
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Performance on the field says different. We are just ok in run defense and give up 120 yards/game.
Fido04
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/8/table/rushing/sort/rushingYards/dir/desc

A&M has played the top five of seven rushers in the sec. I suppose that begs the question if they are the best due to the A&M struggle on run defense or the run defense seems to struggle because they have played the best in the conference.
Who?mikejones!
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Our rush defense is ranked 43 in the nation. We're average, or slightly better. Not our strength, but not a terrible weakness that we cant overcome
Fido04
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And looking at those rankings shows the next two SEC team's leading rushers are 25 and 26 in the league.
Bill Superman
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Fido04 said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/view/offense/stat/rushing/group/8/table/rushing/sort/rushingYards/dir/desc

A&M has played the top five of seven rushers in the sec. I suppose that begs the question if they are the best due to the A&M struggle on run defense or the run defense seems to struggle because they have played the best in the conference.
Or we beat all of the best running teams because we're better.
redjalapeno-87
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Alabama run defense is below A&M.

A&M Rush Defense is #43 Nationally, 128 YPG, and allows 4.14 YPC.
BAMA Rush Defense is #54 Nationally, 139 YPG, and allows 4.30 YPC.
Both teams have allowed 11 Rushing TDs.

Aggies are #19 Nationally in Rushing with 204.89 YPG, 5.17 YPC, 22 Rushing TDs.
BAMA is #120 Nationally in Rushing with 111 YPG, 3.19 YPC and 10 Rushing TDs.

I don't hear that same narrative with regards to BAMA.

That is a team that most think will be in the SEC championship game. I like our chances if we are the other team.
Who?mikejones!
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We tackle the opposing team for a loss over 8 times a game. That's 4th in the nation. So, we can give up a big run, then put them behind the sticks on the next play. The big run doesnt mean much if it doesnt score and we turn it around in the next few plays.

Fido04
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Bama's leading rushers is 28th in the conference.
BTKAG97
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The A&M defense has held most rushers below their YPG average for the year and that's against highly ranked RBs and rushing QBs.
BTKAG97
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School - Player - YPG Rank - YPG - A&M Yards Allowed

UTSA - Robert Henry - 8th - 109.1 - 177
Utah St - Miles Davis - 58th - 72.0 - 50
Utah St - Bryson Barnes (QB) - 169th - 45.9 - <4>
Notre Dame - Jeremiyah Love - 5th - 111.8 - 94
Notre Dame - Jadarian Price - 82nd - 65.1 - 68
Auburn - Jeremiah Cobb - 25th - 87.7 - 28
MSU - Fluff Bothwell - 60th - 70.0 - 60
MSU - Davon Booth - 134th - 52.8 - 59
Florida - Jadan Baugh - 29th - 85.4 - 65
Arkansas - Mike Washington - 19th - 92.0 - 147
Arkansas - Taylen Green (QB) - 57th - 72.1 - 85
LSU - Caden Durham - 128th - 54.0 - 36
LSU - Harlem Berry - 300+ - n/a - 59
Missouri - Ahmad Hardy - 3rd - 117.1 - 109
Missouri - Jamal Roberts - 132nd - 53.5 - 110

Overall, the Run D doesn't look that bad. Held several tough players under their average.

3 - Hardy - Under
5 - Love - Under
8 - Henry - Over
19 - Washington - Over
25 - Cobb - Under
29 - Baugh - Under
57 - Green - Over
58 - Davis - Under
60 - Bothwell - Under
Sparkie
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We stopped a mizzu team on their 3rd string qb with qbr of 17. Not sure if that game is an indication of our ability to stop the run.

I believe we lose to a team that has a decent passing game and can run.

How many 4th down conversions did it take for us to beat Ark?

Who?mikejones!
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Is that a joke?
Sparkie
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Completely serious.

Both Ark and Mizzu ran for over 200 yards against us. Ark threw for 280 and motor boated our defense.

Why do you think Elko kept going for it on 4th downs. He knew our defense couldn't stop Ark.
Who?mikejones!
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Notre dame is ranked 25/26 in rushing and passing o.

Arkansas is ranked in the top 10.

Yes, teams with good offenses are harder to beat. And if a team that plays good defense as well and it gets really challenging to win a game. Most of the teams that have all those things usually end up in the playoffs. So theres that

I guess go on a keep doubting. You can have your stick back for the banging after the season

You said our performance on the field says otherwise. Our performance on the field is 9-0. So, it stands to reason you're incorrect.
Arkansas was a poor game for our defense. Can't dispute that.

Mizzou's rushing stats were irrelevant.

ABATTBQ11
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Sparkie said:

We stopped a mizzu team on their 3rd string qb with qbr of 17. Not sure if that game is an indication of our ability to stop the run.

I believe we lose to a team that has a decent passing game and can run.

How many 4th down conversions did it take for us to beat Ark?




Missouri averages 235 yards a game overall and 224 in conference. Arkansas averages 208 overall and 230 in conference. They are excellent rushing teams, and Arkansas has a decent passing attack. Green is one of the best dual threats in the game right now, and very few teams will have a QB like him.

We went for it on fourth against Arkansas because we knew they couldn't stop us, and they never had the ball with a chance to take a lead. That game wasn't close.
Eric Forman
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If the goal is for the defense to complement the offense such that the other team can't keep up... ie, can't score as much as us... ie, lose the game... I'd say their complementary ball is working pretty good... even if they're not perfect. They don't have to be perfect if there's offensive/defensive balance.
AggieMD95
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Sparkie said:

We stopped a mizzu team on their 3rd string qb with qbr of 17. Not sure if that game is an indication of our ability to stop the run.

I believe we lose to a team that has a decent passing game and can run.

How many 4th down conversions did it take for us to beat Ark?




So you think we will lose if a good team plays well against us ? Wow Nostradamus
Sparkie
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Who?mikejones! said:

Notre dame is ranked 25/26 in rushing and passing o.

Arkansas is ranked in the top 10.

Yes, teams with good offenses are harder to beat. And if a team that plays good defense as well and it gets really challenging to win a game. Most of the teams that have all those things usually end up in the playoffs. So theres that

I guess go on a keep doubting. You can have your stick back for the banging after the season

You said our performance on the field says otherwise. Our performance on the field is 9-0. So, it stands to reason you're incorrect.
Arkansas was a poor game for our defense. Can't dispute that.

Mizzou's rushing stats were irrelevant.




Having an opinion that differs from yours isnt pot banging. I've enjoyed the season. Also, I think we have overachieved which is testament to the players and the coaches. This is the first time that I have seen a team that continually bust ass and it shows.

I completely agree the Mizzu stats are skewed. Don't see any team making the cfp with a 3rd string qb.
Sparkie
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AggieMD95 said:

Sparkie said:

We stopped a mizzu team on their 3rd string qb with qbr of 17. Not sure if that game is an indication of our ability to stop the run.

I believe we lose to a team that has a decent passing game and can run.

How many 4th down conversions did it take for us to beat Ark?




So you think we will lose if a good team plays well against us ? Wow Nostradamus
reading comprehension isnt your thing is it.
Sparkie
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We played two teams that had an offense that could threaten with the pass and the run. Both teams scored 40 or more points.

Our run defense will cost us.
Orlando Ayala Cant Read
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Honestly the only team type i see us struggling with (maybe) is a team with a dual threat QB and/or one with serious speed at WR. Ohio St would be a tough match up for us and then after that Ol Miss maybe. If we can avoid both I think its a much easier path to a natty.
Tergdor
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The only top 12 teams that have shown they can run the ball at will are Indiana, Oregon, A&M, Tech, and Notre Dame.

If you've watched their games, the Indiana and Oregon rushing offenses aren't foolproof. They get stopped by good defense and need the QB to make plays.

Tech and ND are ranked lower in rushing offense than A&M.

There's only 4 balanced offense teams in the CFP right now, Indiana, A&M, Tech, and ND. The rushing defense is an issue but not as big of one as Ruffino thinks. It's good enough.
ABATTBQ11
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Sparkie said:

We played two teams that had an offense that could threaten with the pass and the run. Both teams scored 40 or more points.

Our run defense will cost us.


We're 9-0 despite having some of the best rushing teams in college football. If it was going to cost us, it probably would have already.
wangus12
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Sparkie said:

Completely serious.

Both Ark and Mizzu ran for over 200 yards against us. Ark threw for 280 and motor boated our defense.

Why do you think Elko kept going for it on 4th downs. He knew our defense couldn't stop Ark.


Lets be honest though, Arkie scored with 10 seconds remaining to make it seem like a closer than it was.
bdp514am
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bottom line is that Mizzou, even with several big runs, faced a 3rd and 6 or more on 8 of their 9 possessions and converted I think 2 of those (1 with a run). That sort of defense will get the job done. They found the endzone twice. One of those times were with 3-4 subs in on defense, and Regis on the sidelines. Slightly over half of their rushing yards came on possessions that netted them zero points.
Sparkie
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With 7 minutes left in the game, it was 38 to 35.

A&M had a killer drive to drain the clock and ice the game.
LB12Diamond
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