USC converted a fake punt against Northwestern using their third string quarterback lined up as punter. No big deal except he wore the same number as their regular punter. And since USC doesn't have names on the jerseys, it would be really tough to tell that it's not their regular punter.

Apparently, the official roster that was submitted did have the QBs new number listed but the game notes and media stuff did not. Seems pretty bush league me.
Aggie football related because USC beat us in the bowl game.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/46905446/big-ten-says-usc-penalized-fake-punt-ploy

This is 100% from the Kiffin school: slimier than anything Hawk Tuah Girl ever did, no qualms about the implied concession of dominance in any straightforward sense (e.g. being stronger, bigger, faster, etc.), and aimed just below any clear ethical line.

Maybe Lincoln Riley saw Kiffin's name at the top of the list for all these SEC job openings and is trying to say "hey what about me?"

I think what's most concerning is that Riley had to roll this out for northwestern

My thoughts exactly. I get it if you are playing Ohio St or a playoff game. But againts Northwestern. Not the same USC from the Pete Carroll days.

I don't think its bush league. They played the long game and changed the players numbers 3 weeks ago (supposedly) and no one noticed. I think it's hilarious.

Bush league is running a play when you are "swapping" players and your unaccounted player runs a route for an easy touchdown down the sideline

The B1G has come out and said that is illegal. Can't have the same number as someone playing the same position. Since it was their first punt, it was ok. But when the real punter came in the next time, that should have been a 15 yd unsportsmanlike penalty.

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I don't think its bush league. They played the long game and changed the players numbers 3 weeks ago (supposedly) and no one noticed. I think it's hilarious.

Bush league is running a play when you are "swapping" players and your unaccounted player runs a route for an easy touchdown down the sideline

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It is bush league, it's equivalent to having Russ switch gear with Goldberg during a timeout so he can shoot a knuckle puck from his own blue line to tie the game against Iceland

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The B1G has come out and said that is illegal. Can't have the same number as someone playing the same position. Since it was their first punt, it was ok. But when the real punter came in the next time, that should have been a 15 yd unsportsmanlike penalty.

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His official position was QB in roster, not punter though, so it was not 2 players playing the same position. Where he lines up on a play doesn't determine that.

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Aggie_Fire said:

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I don't think its bush league. They played the long game and changed the players numbers 3 weeks ago (supposedly) and no one noticed. I think it's hilarious.

Bush league is running a play when you are "swapping" players and your unaccounted player runs a route for an easy touchdown down the sideline

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It is bush league, it's equivalent to having Russ switch gear with Goldberg during a timeout so he can shoot a knuckle puck from his own blue line to tie the game against Iceland

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Iceland cheated on the first flying V too. You can't just check every player who doesn't have the puck. That was 4 interference penalties with an added crosscheck or 2 in there too the refs just happened to overlook.

Not bush league, broke no rules. It's smart and it worked.

Some of you are amazingly bad at titling your threads

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Charlie Conway said:

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Aggie_Fire said:

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I don't think its bush league. They played the long game and changed the players numbers 3 weeks ago (supposedly) and no one noticed. I think it's hilarious.

Bush league is running a play when you are "swapping" players and your unaccounted player runs a route for an easy touchdown down the sideline

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It is bush league, it's equivalent to having Russ switch gear with Goldberg during a timeout so he can shoot a knuckle puck from his own blue line to tie the game against Iceland

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Iceland cheated on the first flying V too. You can't just check every player who doesn't have the puck. That was 4 interference penalties with an added crosscheck or 2 in there too the refs just happened to overlook.

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What are y'all even talking about? Are you lost?

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Ags83 said:

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The B1G has come out and said that is illegal. Can't have the same number as someone playing the same position. Since it was their first punt, it was ok. But when the real punter came in the next time, that should have been a 15 yd unsportsmanlike penalty.

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His official position was QB in roster, not punter though, so it was not 2 players playing the same position. Where he lines up on a play doesn't determine that.

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That's not what the league said. He came out as a punter. The fact he didn't punt (and is normally a 3rd string QB doesn't matter).

When the real punter came out later, wearing the same number, that became illegal. Two players can't play the same position wearing the same number, which is what happened.

But how do you know he came out as a punter? Because he lined up in a really deep shotgun?

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The B1G has come out and said that is illegal. Can't have the same number as someone playing the same position. Since it was their first punt, it was ok. But when the real punter came in the next time, that should have been a 15 yd unsportsmanlike penalty.

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Whether it was bush league or not, like this poster said, it was illegal. Unfortunately, the officials missed it.

HOWEVER, other than asking the head coach point blank in the pregame about duplicate numbering and what positions those players are, which isn't a common practice, or identifying in pregame duplicate numbers and investigating them, I'm not sure how the officials would know about this.

I think crews are getting memos this week about this incident and are adding pertinent questions in their pregame. Thus, this won't happen again.

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But how do you know he came out as a punter? Because he lined up in a really deep shotgun?

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Its called scrimmage kick formation. Its a legally defined term in the rules that gives Team A certain abilities (numbering exceptions) and protections (mostly punter related but snapper also).

Ok. Had no idea.

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double aught said:

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But how do you know he came out as a punter? Because he lined up in a really deep shotgun?

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Its called scrimmage kick formation. Its a legally defined term in the rules that gives Team A certain abilities (numbering exceptions) and protections (mostly punter related but snapper also).

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Username checks out.

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double aught said:

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But how do you know he came out as a punter? Because he lined up in a really deep shotgun?

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It's called scrimmage kick formation. It's a legally defined term in the rules that gives Team A certain abilities (numbering exceptions) and protections (mostly punter related but snapper also).

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Yep, they should have been penalizing the real punter for having the same number.

My question is how far does the rule go. Since the QB established himself as the punter, is every time the real punter goes out a penalty? Since I don't think you can change to a jersey number mid-game that's not on the pregame roster assignment, should the backup punter have been forced to play all game?

Can we just go back to people not wearing the same number
0-39 QB DB Rb WR
40's LBs
50-79 Line Man
80- TE & WR
90. - kickers

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Aggie_Fire said:

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I don't think its bush league. They played the long game and changed the players numbers 3 weeks ago (supposedly) and no one noticed. I think it's hilarious.

Bush league is running a play when you are "swapping" players and your unaccounted player runs a route for an easy touchdown down the sideline

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It is bush league, it's equivalent to having Russ switch gear with Goldberg during a timeout so he can shoot a knuckle puck from his own blue line to tie the game against Iceland

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Username checks out

Seriously. They have 85 or so players. Each player gets a unique number.