Kickoff return should have been live ball, TD, right? Why was it blown dead?

Can't advance fumble on kickoff , just recover

I'm trying to figure that out. Why wasn't it a touchdown?

Because you touch yourself

Can't advance, once recovered it's a dead ball

Can't advance recovery of a live kickoff

Was it a fumble???? Looked like a live ball.

The ball is live after 10 yards but kicking team cannot unless the receiving team had possession and then fumbles.

MBAR AG said:

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Was it a fumble???? Looked like a live ball.

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Can't advance a fumble, muff or ball past 10 yards .. just recover

Because the refs, and the media, and the conference are all still conspiring to get us

I asked Grok- it said ball CAN be advanced on a kickoff if recovered. That call was wrong!! Shoukd be 45-17.

cmarkmat said:

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I asked Grok- it said ball CAN be advanced on a kickoff if recovered. That call was wrong!! Shoukd be 45-17.

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Only if it's caught and then fumbled. Pretty clear rules on this one

It's a rule

From ChatGPT.

ChatGPT said:
Yes in NCAA football (college rules), the kicking team can advance the ball and even score if the receiving team touches the kick but does not secure possession, and the ball remains live.

Wanna guess how humanity is doomed?

Ask AI.

Rules for a muffed kickoff or punt

Muffed ball: A muff occurs when a player touches a loose ball (like a kickoff or punt) in an attempt to gain possession.
Kicking team recovery: If the receiving team muffs the ball, the kicking team can recover it.
No advancement: The kicking team cannot advance the ball once they recover it.
Ball is dead: The play ends, and the ball is dead at the spot where the kicking team recovers the muff.
Possession changes: The kicking team takes possession at the spot of recovery.

Gemini AI

No, an NCAA football kicking team cannot advance a muffed kickoff. If the receiving team muffs the ball and the kicking team recovers it, the ball is dead, and possession changes to the kicking team at the spot of the recovery.

Muff vs. Fumble: It is crucial to distinguish a muff from a fumble. A muff is when a player touches the ball without securing possession. A fumble occurs after a player has already gained possession and then loses it.

Advancing a fumble: If the receiving team has possession and fumbles the ball, it is a live ball that can be advanced by either team.

Muffed ball recovery: If the kicking team recovers a muffed kickoff, the ball is dead, and they cannot advance it. They simply gain possession at the spot where they recovered the ball.

Dat Nguyen had one of these back in the day. Correct call.

Rectitude said:

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From ChatGPT.

ChatGPT said:
Yes in NCAA football (college rules), the kicking team can advance the ball and even score if the receiving team touches the kick but does not secure possession, and the ball remains live.

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Well that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Dumb rule. What's the rationale? Almost as dumb as the offense losing possession and ball at 20 when offense fumbles through the end zone.

That's the same thing Grok said. I think the refs screwed up.

rootube said:

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Dat Nguyen had one of these back in the day. Correct call.

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Yep that's how I learn of the rule.

rootube said:

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Dat Nguyen had one of these back in the day. Correct call.

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Dat's right.

Love folks bringing in LLMs to hallucinate…while treating them as infallible…

On both kickoffs and punts the kicking team CANNOT advance a muff. If receiving team gains possession and then fumbles that can be advanced.

That's the rule. Like it or not.

Jarrin Jay said:

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On both kickoffs and punts the kicking team CANNOT advance a muff. If receiving team gains possession and then fumbles that can be advanced.

That's the rule. Like it or not.

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This.

It's like some people have never watched football before.

If the ball had gone over his hands, it's an A&M TD. Since he got a finger on it, it's a muff and can't be advanced. Only recovered and possessed.

rootube said:

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Dat Nguyen had one of these back in the day. Correct call.

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Dat recovered an onside kick and returned it for a TD.

Slicer97 said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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On both kickoffs and punts the kicking team CANNOT advance a muff. If receiving team gains possession and then fumbles that can be advanced.

That's the rule. Like it or not.

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This.

It's like some people have never watched football before.

If the ball had gone over his hands, it's an A&M TD. Since he got a finger on it, it's a muff and can't be advanced. Only recovered and possessed.

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Incorrect. If kicking team recovers the kick untouched, it is also down at the spot of recovery.

The Big 12 refs tried to rip us off, but we won anyway!

Jawn Dough said:

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rootube said:

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Dat Nguyen had one of these back in the day. Correct call.

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Dat recovered an onside kick and returned it for a TD.

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And they called it back to where he took possession. Exactly like tonight only this was a pooch kick with a weird bounce and not an onside kick.

It's amazing that people who watch football regularly don't know the rules.

Kansas Kid said:

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Slicer97 said:

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Jarrin Jay said:

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On both kickoffs and punts the kicking team CANNOT advance a muff. If receiving team gains possession and then fumbles that can be advanced.

That's the rule. Like it or not.

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This.

It's like some people have never watched football before.

If the ball had gone over his hands, it's an A&M TD. Since he got a finger on it, it's a muff and can't be advanced. Only recovered and possessed.

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Incorrect. If kicking team recovers the kick untouched, it is also down at the spot of recovery.

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Guess slicer97 never watched football before.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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It's amazing that people who watch football regularly don't know the rules.

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Just like basketball fans that always clamor for over the back fouls even though there is no rule for over the back.

rootube said:

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Jawn Dough said:

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rootube said:

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Dat Nguyen had one of these back in the day. Correct call.

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Dat recovered an onside kick and returned it for a TD.

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And they called it back to where he took possession. Exactly like tonight only this was a pooch kick with a weird bounce and not an onside kick.

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https://www.upi.com/Archives/1995/11/18/Texas-AM-56-Middle-Tenn-St-14/6637816670800/

Per linked article, it was a TD.

Thanks for asking OP. Ihad a few drinks and didn't know what was going on.