https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/46856970

Paul Finebaum's biggest gripe with the first CFP rankings
Paul Finebaum says Texas A&M should be No. 2, ahead of Indiana, after the first College Football Playoff rankings reveal.

Sorry for the fat finger headline.

No idea why anyone listens to this clown. Says he "understands" Ohio State #1 because of "eye test". Where did the CFP committee ever say that would be what they evaluate on? I personally don't care where we are ranked as long as we keep winning, but this guy is a hack, always has been, and I couldn't care less about his opinion. I'd trust Phyllis from Mulga more than PF.

I'd argue Indiana's resume is better than OSU's. They beat Oregon the road. OSU's only significant win is a 7 point win over a massively overrated horn at #1 at home.

Pawl is in the eyeball sales profession. He will say whatever delivers the most of them. Pimping us is way less effective than pimping Alabama, tOSU, and Texas…

Now win three or four NCs and stop losing miserably stupid losses and the narrative shifts.

greg.w.h said:

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Pawl is in the eyeball sales profession. He will say whatever delivers the most of them. Pimping us is way less effective than pimping Alabama, tOSU, and Texas…

Now win three or four NCs and stop losing miserably stupid losses and the narrative shifts.

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It also doesn't hurt that his paycheck comes from the SEC.

I am certain that the "eye test" is part of the ranking process. The playoff committee ranking criteria is very vague on purpose.

rootube said:

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greg.w.h said:

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Pawl is in the eyeball sales profession. He will say whatever delivers the most of them. Pimping us is way less effective than pimping Alabama, tOSU, and Texas…

Now win three or four NCs and stop losing miserably stupid losses and the narrative shifts.

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It also doesn't hurt that his paycheck comes from the SEC.

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He has the job because he has a history of bringing eyeballs. Don't confuse cause and effect.

ATL Aggie said:

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I am certain that the "eye test" is part of the ranking process. The playoff committee ranking criteria is very vague on purpose.

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And they are also in the eyeball selling profession.

Shut everyone up by winning. All it takes.

ATL Aggie said:

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I am certain that the "eye test" is part of the ranking process. The playoff committee ranking criteria is very vague on purpose.

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exactly.

how could you do it without the eye test? not watch the games? just let computers decide?

ATL Aggie said:

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I am certain that the "eye test" is part of the ranking process. The playoff committee ranking criteria is very vague on purpose.

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I guess this is part of the "vague" fourth bullet? So it should take precedence?

PRINCIPLES
The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:

• Strength of schedule,
• Head-to-head competition,
• Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
• Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team's performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol

Rat poison

Just win

rootube said:

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I'd argue Indiana's resume is better than OSU's. They beat Oregon the road. OSU's only significant win is a 7 point win over a massively overrated horn at #1 at home.

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Indiana's big win over Oregon may not be all that impressive either given that their big road win over PSU in OT looks less impressive by the day.

BMX Bandit said:

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ATL Aggie said:

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I am certain that the "eye test" is part of the ranking process. The playoff committee ranking criteria is very vague on purpose.

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exactly.

how could you do it without the eye test? not watch the games? just let computers decide?

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Unless they all say they have watched all of the games of all of the teams, do you trust their eyes and opinions? May as well go back to just the AP and UPI people deciding.

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Unless they all say they have watched all of the games of all of the teams, do you trust their eyes and opinions?

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i don't trust some of these people's eyes and opinions even if they watch all the games and teams.

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Unless they all say they have watched all of the games of all of the teams, do you trust their eyes and opinions?

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i don't trust some of these people's eyes and opinions even if they watch all the games and teams.

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Me either - that's why I don't care that PF says the committee's (or his) eye test matters. They specified some criteria they would use. Now hold them accountable for following it or just say they will use their own judgment. I don't much care, but just be honest about the criteria.

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ATL Aggie said:

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I am certain that the "eye test" is part of the ranking process. The playoff committee ranking criteria is very vague on purpose.

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I guess this is part of the "vague" fourth bullet? So it should take precedence?

PRINCIPLES
The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:

• Strength of schedule,
• Head-to-head competition,
• Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
• Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team's performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol

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That and the following statement from the same page:

METRICS
There will not be one single metric to assist the committee. Rather, the committee will consider a wide variety of data and information.

ATL Aggie said:

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Ag83 said:

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ATL Aggie said:

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I am certain that the "eye test" is part of the ranking process. The playoff committee ranking criteria is very vague on purpose.

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I guess this is part of the "vague" fourth bullet? So it should take precedence?

PRINCIPLES
The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:

• Strength of schedule,
• Head-to-head competition,
• Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
• Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team's performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol

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That and the following statement from the same page:

METRICS
There will not be one single metric to assist the committee. Rather, the committee will consider a wide variety of data and information.

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Yes, not a single metric. But eye tests and opinions are not metrics (or data or information). It's an opinion. And that is fine; their opinion might even be the correct and valid opinion. But say more about those "metrics" and not just "we think their defense isn't as good". That's not a metric.

i really don't understand your complaint.

of course they use an eye test. why else have a committee? just use a computer otherwise.

seems you are complaining for the sake of complaining

BMX Bandit said:

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i really don't understand your complaint.

of course they use an eye test. why else have a committee? just use a computer otherwise.

seems you are complaining for the sake of complaining

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No; I am saying eye test is not one of the criteria they advertised - the subjective aspect they said would be injuries and coaching issues. Not, "well, we just think team A is better than team B because, well, we just think so". Their own website specifies criteria - make them explain their rankings in those contexts. Otherwise, let's just go back to the BCS system, or just relying on AP pollsters. Sorry if you don''t understand this.

And, I am not complaining, I am commenting and voicing an opinion for discussion purposes on a discussion board. As a lawyer, I thought you would understand that, but maybe not.

Why don't we just forget about the score in all these games and just use this "eyeball test" to determine the winner?

Thank you for confirming my suspicions.


You literally have to use the eye test. It would be stupid to say it doesn't matter what they see with their eyes. That's why they pick people that seemingly know something about football. Otherwise, they would just hire the math teachers to run the numbers


Even the BCS system and polls use the eye test. You are trying to create a controversy where one does not exist.


Spend your time complaining about them not using strength of schedule like they said they would. At least that would make sense.

And thank you for confirming mine.