Other than Elko a couples years ago, when was the last time we truly had a stud at said position? It always seems like we are firing them. I've always said coordinators are vastly underrated when it comes to W/L's.

Kliff in 2012?

Bob Davie

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Kliff in 2012?

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I'll give you that, but it's impossible to know how much was him vs JFF. I'll say Kliff is definitely not a HC.

Honestly it would have to be a really successful year to say we had a stud coordinator and there is really only two of those this century…2020 (Elko) and 2012 (Kliff) are the only answers

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Kliff in 2012?

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I'll give you that, but it's impossible to know how much was him vs JFF. I'll say Kliff is definitely not a HC.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how much actual coordinating Kliff did. I think his coaching expertise amounted to: "Hey JFF, run around behind that NFL O-line, scramble, look for your HOF WR, make me look good. Oh, and try to sober up by game time!"

He was smart enough to let a good thing be good.

That's already better than 70% of coaches

It's easy to forget how much help JFF got from the linemen and receivers around him. Or how unhappy some of the running backs were about changes to the schemes.

I think it comes across as just a tad self-aggrandizing for Johnny to give all these interviews saying he was just partying and playing backyard football to make the magic happen when he showed up at gametime. Coaches and personnel groups had to figure out what to do with him to make it work, otherwise it could've been a total trainwreck.

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Kliff in 2012?

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I'll give you that, but it's impossible to know how much was him vs JFF. I'll say Kliff is definitely not a HC.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how much actual coordinating Kliff did. I think his coaching expertise amounted to: "Hey JFF, run around behind that NFL O-line, scramble, look for your HOF WR, make me look good. Oh, and try to sober up by game time!"

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Texags football acumen on full display.

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Other than Elko a couples years ago, when was the last time we truly had a stud at said position? It always seems like we are firing them. I've always said coordinators are vastly underrated when it comes to W/L's.

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It became such a rarity that's why we had to hire Elko as HC.

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Kliff in 2012?

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I'll give you that, but it's impossible to know how much was him vs JFF. I'll say Kliff is definitely not a HC.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how much actual coordinating Kliff did. I think his coaching expertise amounted to: "Hey JFF, run around behind that NFL O-line, scramble, look for your HOF WR, make me look good. Oh, and try to sober up by game time!"

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Texags football acumen on full display.

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What part is inaccurate? Watch interviews with JFF and Kliff. Everyone knows Johnny wasn't one to study film or the playbook. Kliff's coaching failures since separating from Johnny tell you all you need to know about his coaching abilities.

Elko's Defense under Jimbo was loaded with talent.

Like it or not, the higher-than-the-competition talent has to be there.

Sherman was pretty solid as an O-Line coach, too.

Gig 'em.

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Elko's Defense under Jimbo was loaded with talent.

Like it or not, the higher-than-the-competition talent has to be there.

Sherman was pretty solid as an O-Line coach, too.

Gig 'em.

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Isn't our existence team ranked like 6th in terms of "stars"? We've got the talent

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It's easy to forget how much help JFF got from the linemen and receivers around him. Or how unhappy some of the running backs were about changes to the schemes.

I think it comes across as just a tad self-aggrandizing for Johnny to give all these interviews saying he was just partying and playing backyard football to make the magic happen when he showed up at gametime. Coaches and personnel groups had to figure out what to do with him to make it work, otherwise it could've been a total trainwreck.

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I saw very little evidence they figured it out. Johnny did.

I'd MUCH rather pay the absolute highest in the country for the best of the best coordinator than a couple of transfer mercenaries that may not work out.

i thought we liked coach turner? he produced quite a few great lines and sent many a player to the nfl.

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Kliff in 2012?

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I'll give you that, but it's impossible to know how much was him vs JFF. I'll say Kliff is definitely not a HC.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how much actual coordinating Kliff did. I think his coaching expertise amounted to: "Hey JFF, run around behind that NFL O-line, scramble, look for your HOF WR, make me look good. Oh, and try to sober up by game time!"

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What part is inaccurate? Watch interviews with JFF and Kliff. Everyone knows Johnny wasn't one to study film or the playbook. Kliff's coaching failures since separating from Johnny tell you all you need to know about his coaching abilities.

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Did you watch the games? Have you ever seen the break down of the biggest play calls of that season? It's not like they were drawing plays in the dirt.

There were so many brilliant play calls during that season that we executed perfectly. All great teams have great players and great offensive lines but it's absurd to describe it the way you did. Sure JFF took that team to another level with his improvisation skills, but the play calling in this games particularly in 2012 were a thing of beauty.

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My thought exactly.

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Kliff in 2012?

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I'll give you that, but it's impossible to know how much was him vs JFF. I'll say Kliff is definitely not a HC.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how much actual coordinating Kliff did. I think his coaching expertise amounted to: "Hey JFF, run around behind that NFL O-line, scramble, look for your HOF WR, make me look good. Oh, and try to sober up by game time!"

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What part is inaccurate? Watch interviews with JFF and Kliff. Everyone knows Johnny wasn't one to study film or the playbook. Kliff's coaching failures since separating from Johnny tell you all you need to know about his coaching abilities.

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Not much on the "failure" part. He was too inexperienced to be a HC, but his alma-mater came calling. He's managed to just about fail up ever since then and is still an OC in the league. I'd be happy as a clam failing that way.

OP, ease up on the fart-sniffin

Lynn Amedee OC '85-'87.

Yes, it's been that long...

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Kliff in 2012?

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I'll give you that, but it's impossible to know how much was him vs JFF. I'll say Kliff is definitely not a HC.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how much actual coordinating Kliff did. I think his coaching expertise amounted to: "Hey JFF, run around behind that NFL O-line, scramble, look for your HOF WR, make me look good. Oh, and try to sober up by game time!"

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Texags football acumen on full display.

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What part is inaccurate? Watch interviews with JFF and Kliff. Everyone knows Johnny wasn't one to study film or the playbook. Kliff's coaching failures since separating from Johnny tell you all you need to know about his coaching abilities.

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Did you watch the games? Have you ever seen the break down of the biggest play calls of that season? It's not like they were drawing plays in the dirt.

There were so many brilliant play calls during that season that we executed perfectly. All great teams have great players and great offensive lines but it's absurd to describe it the way you did. Sure JFF took that team to another level with his improvisation skills, but the play calling in this games particularly in 2012 were a thing of beauty.

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JFF admitted he didn't know how to read a playbook and didn't attend qb meetings. KK had limited impact on JFF.

RC under Jackie? ... Davie under RC? Bob Toledo wasn't a bad OC under RC ... Sumlin as OC under RC?

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i thought we liked coach turner? he produced quite a few great lines and sent many a player to the nfl.

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OL coach. He and Jeff Banks pooped up a football session for women at A&M and I suspect that impacts his hiring…

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JFF admitted he didn't know how to read a playbook and didn't attend qb meetings. KK had limited impact on JFF.

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I think we just have to consider how much of the history we've gotten of that team is Johnny's version of history, since he's the one doing all or most of the interviews and podcasts (and I did watch "Untold") about his glory years.

For most of the other guys on the field to be in position, making assignments, and figuring out how to make things work w/ a guy who wasn't really expected to be a star at QB, I think there had to be some coaching. And some of those guys are still in football.

I'll also say that there are probably few guys on any team at any level who know the whole playbook and every assignment.

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RC under Jackie? ... Davie under RC? Bob Toledo wasn't a bad OC under RC ... Sumlin as OC under RC?

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Firing Toledo was a major fail by RC. Toledo wasn't flawless but he was significantly better than what he hired afterwards. Sumlin was the only upgrade but that was too late.

Sumlin immediately turned the offense around. He was also good at OU.

To be fair, Chavis was considered a great DC until he got here

I'll take exception to Sumlin altho at the time it did seem to charge things up quite a bit. I said that first game that Sumlin may be the head coach here someday. Turned out to be right altho obviously didn't work out like I hoped. Sumlin's downfall was letting the players get out of control but he mishandled so many other things as well. I thought we had finally hit the jackpot his first year as hfc.

Amadeeville horror. Fun to watch.

By some. He sure gave us fits . LSU people weren't all that enamored …. Coined the phrase "third and Chavis" for their propensity to give up huge 3rd down and long plays.

Agree, and this is also strong evidence that great coordinators don't necessarily make great head coaches...

A lot of truth there BUT who can you name that has been super successful that hasn't been a coordinator?

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It's easy to forget how much help JFF got from the linemen and receivers around him. Or how unhappy some of the running backs were about changes to the schemes.

I think it comes across as just a tad self-aggrandizing for Johnny to give all these interviews saying he was just partying and playing backyard football to make the magic happen when he showed up at gametime. Coaches and personnel groups had to figure out what to do with him to make it work, otherwise it could've been a total trainwreck.

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I saw very little evidence they figured it out. Johnny did.

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This..In the JFF documentary, Kliff takes full responsibility for the Florida loss(first game of the season) where he didn't know how to best handle him. There is no reason to think that loss wasn't the difference between a cotton bowl and an ACTUAL national championship.

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Kliff in 2012?

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I'll give you that, but it's impossible to know how much was him vs JFF. I'll say Kliff is definitely not a HC.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how much actual coordinating Kliff did. I think his coaching expertise amounted to: "Hey JFF, run around behind that NFL O-line, scramble, look for your HOF WR, make me look good. Oh, and try to sober up by game time!"

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Texags football acumen on full display.

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What part is inaccurate? Watch interviews with JFF and Kliff. Everyone knows Johnny wasn't one to study film or the playbook. Kliff's coaching failures since separating from Johnny tell you all you need to know about his coaching abilities.

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Did you watch the games? Have you ever seen the break down of the biggest play calls of that season? It's not like they were drawing plays in the dirt.

There were so many brilliant play calls during that season that we executed perfectly. All great teams have great players and great offensive lines but it's absurd to describe it the way you did. Sure JFF took that team to another level with his improvisation skills, but the play calling in this games particularly in 2012 were a thing of beauty.

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JFF admitted he didn't know how to read a playbook and didn't attend qb meetings. KK had limited impact on JFF.

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Yet somehow he went on to be both a college and pro head coach, and currently serves as OC of the Washington Commanders.