Ryan Grubb former Washington OC under DeBoer just was let go at the Seahawks. Would you take him over Klein as OC?

Rumors have been going around that Grubb is going back to bama

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Klein had the best offense in the SEC until Moss went down. Daniels was okay but he was never a threat like Moss/Owens can be

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as evidenced by the Arkansas game and Bowling Green, right? Or you just mean Weigman vs Missouri, and the zone-read in the 2nd half vs Lsu?

Does someone read TexAgs and report to Elko on who he should hire and fire?

Was about to post this. Hire him immediately.

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PaulsBunions said:

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Klein had the best offense in the SEC until Moss went down. Daniels was okay but he was never a threat like Moss/Owens can be

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as evidenced by the Arkansas game and Bowling Green, right? Or you just mean Weigman vs Missouri, and the zone-read in the 2nd half vs Lsu?

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He meant as in Points Per Game in SEC play. There was a point in the season where we were leading the league in that stat. Probably when we were 7-1 5-0 in SEC.

This was because teams like Ole Miss scored 60-70 against the spares they played OOC and then struggled in several of their early SEC games while we were averaging over 30 ppg.

As much as you don't want it to be true, it actually was for a good part of the season and the end did pretty well coincide with Moss going down (as well as Bisontis getting hurt).

Klein is very good and severely underestimated by A&M message boards. If he left A&M, he'd had a high end P4 job in no time.

That said, I would still take Grubb over Klein as Grubb has proven to have an elite passing offense before. But Grubb will go back to Deboer if he comes back to college.

I'd take anyone who's played a few hours of NCAA Football on Xbox over Klein.

beerad12man said:

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Klein is very good and severely underestimated by A&M message boards. If he left A&M, he'd had a high end P4 job in no time.

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Serious question: What did you see from Klein this season to make you think he is "very good?"
Maybe as a Big12 coach. But I don't think he's SEC ready.

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Klein's offense is much better than Jimbo's at least.

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Unless I'm reading 12th man.com incorrectly:

We averaged 30.38 points per game this year with a total of 395 points.
We averaged 33.31 points per game last year with a total of 433 points.

That would indicate that Klien's offense isn't better, but in fact, worse than las year's Jimbo offense, no?

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Good point. But I bet Ainias Smith alone would have made up the 3 point difference. Not to mention if Moss wouldn't have gotten hurt this year.

Though not completely on board with Klein I do have some confidence he will adapt his offense as he does not seem hard headed.

How does he not seem hard headed? He had a horrible tendency to run the same play on 2nd down all year and his lack of creativity on 4th and shorts was comical

I thought the Texas game was an absolutely s*** show all the way around, but overall through 11 games, I just greatly disagreed with texags and thought we had actually overachieved offensively.

I personally thought the offense would be much worse than it was, with the only caveat being if Weigman carried the team on his back we could have been better. If you had told me that Weigman would flop, I'd have thought we'd go about 6-6 or 7-5 and our offense would be bottom of the conference. I think some of you underestimate the talent issues that we had. Zero NFL draft picks on offense this year (I do think there's somze decent quality SO and JRs that might be drafted in 2026). Just about every other sec will have someone this year. Year one of a new system with questions marks at basically every level of the offense. Lost about 90% of our production and the heart of the previous 3-4 years team (Smith) the year before.

Last years team without Ainias Smith and Evan Stewart wouldn't have made a bowl game. We had little to nothing at WR beyond Noah. Little to nothing at TE, though Theo shows glimpes here and there. An OL that was 13/14th in PFF in the sec the year before. And our QB play was back and forth. We basically had RB set up well, and our top 2 suffered major injuries.

I'm not calling Klein elite. But Klein has done very good things in the run game. I still need to see him with an elite passing offense before going all in on him as a great OC. For now, I think it's more than fair to say he's a very good OC considering the 3 years he has had as one, and what he has had to work with personnel wise.

Again, most in the country would agree. He's much more highly thought of in college football than on A&M message boards.

Did I hate Klein's playcalling? Yes

The only reason I am hesitant about wanting a change is this team has had 3 playcallers in 3 years (assuming Bobby was actually calling plays and not jimbo). I'd prefer to see what this team can do with the same offensive system for a second year instead of going 4 playcallers in 4 years.

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Good point. But I bet Ainias Smith alone would have made up the 3 point difference. Not to mention if Moss wouldn't have gotten hurt this year.

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in 2023, we lost qb1 and qb2. and then qb3 in the first play of bowl game. Moss was hobbled, TE1 tore an ACL. Injuries happen every year, but to say Klien is "much better", is just false.

Not just Ainias, but Stewart, too. Despite what people think of him, he'd have been by far our best offensive playmaker once Moss went down. 2023 Stewart and Ainias easily would have been 2 of our top 3 players on offense this year. We lost 2 of them, and lost the 3rd and promptly went 1-4 down the stretch.

Another thing to consider is directly comparing one year to another is useless. Too many variables. We ranked much higher in sec play in scoring, which should tell you it isn't just about comparing points. SEC defenses were ahead of the offenses this year compared to 2023.

Just of note, according to advanced efficiency metrics, we played 3 of the top 8 defensive teams and 5 of the top 25 in 2024. In 2023, we played 1 of the top 8 and 3 of the top 25.

I'd say he is much better than Jimbo. Petrino is more debatable. Petrino is also much better than Jimbo.

But either way, simply listing out year to year comparison's are not well thought out, IMHO. Too many other variables. Klein ranked higher in sec play in many categories. Even if you score the same amount of points, if you played better or worse defenses has to be factored in.

The concern with Klein isn't a play call here or there. It that he hasn't proven to have an elite passing game yet. He's also only been an OC 3 years, so the sky is still the limit for him. Petrino and Jimbo were both maxed out, and past their prime.

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PaulsBunions said:

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Klein had the best offense in the SEC until Moss went down. Daniels was okay but he was never a threat like Moss/Owens can be

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as evidenced by the Arkansas game and Bowling Green, right? Or you just mean Weigman vs Missouri, and the zone-read in the 2nd half vs Lsu?

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Yes, Marcel Reed did not play well when he was forced to throw it deep against a stacked box. That's his biggest weakness IMO but he did very well in his 3rd/4th start.

Weigman vs Missouri was excellent, the decision to play Reed over Weigman vs LSU was up to Elko. I don't blame Klein when Elko started the QB who wasn't good. My point is without a legitimate RB1 the offense fell apart. How many successful offensive teams are there without a quality runningback?

We could've averaged 50 pts / game and lead in every statistical category, but the 4th and 1 play calls against t.u. are enough for me and most others to want to replace him. Not only were those calls inexcusable, but they likely costs us the game. They weren't just insignificant play calls in a blowout win or loss.

beerad12man said:

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I thought the Texas game was an absolutely s*** show all the way around, but overall through 11 games, I just greatly disagreed with texags and thought we had actually overachieved offensively.

I personally thought the offense would be much worse than it was, with the only caveat being if Weigman carried the team on his back we could have been better. If you had told me that Weigman would flop, I'd have thought we'd go about 6-6 or 7-5 and our offense would be bottom of the conference. I think some of you underestimate the talent issues that we had. Zero NFL draft picks on offense this year (I do think there's somze decent quality SO and JRs that might be drafted in 2026). Just about every other sec will have someone this year. Year one of a new system with questions marks at basically every level of the offense. Lost about 90% of our production and the heart of the previous 3-4 years team (Smith) the year before.

Last years team without Ainias Smith and Evan Stewart wouldn't have made a bowl game. We had little to nothing at WR beyond Noah. Little to nothing at TE, though Theo shows glimpes here and there. An OL that was 13/14th in PFF in the sec the year before. And our QB play was back and forth. We basically had RB set up well, and our top 2 suffered major injuries.

I'm not calling Klein elite. But Klein has done very good things in the run game. I still need to see him with an elite passing offense before going all in on him as a great OC. For now, I think it's more than fair to say he's a very good OC considering the 3 years he has had as one, and what he has had to work with personnel wise.

Again, most in the country would agree. He's much more highly thought of in college football than on A&M message boards.

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Agreed. As frustrating as the playcalling was sometimes in crucial moments, the 4th and 1 issues etc. Klein showed he has the ability to be a good OC more often than not. He's young too so I expect him to learn from his mistakes and grow. It's Bateman that I'm out on.

beerad12man said:

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Klein is very good and severely underestimated by A&M message boards. If he left A&M, he'd had a high end P4 job in no time..

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Probably true.

However, he can look in the mirror and blame himself for the atrocious short yardage calls down the stretch that caused this impression. The stubbornness of running up the middle was Jimbo-esque. Actually, I take that back. Jimbo was stubborn but not this stupid.

Think CEO Elko also curtailed some of the offensive play calling as definitely wanted TOP and run game as he knew Def had issues. Also think they didn't trust what they had to do what was needed (way too much evidence on WR play easily seen).

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PaulsBunions said:

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Klein had the best offense in the SEC until Moss went down. Daniels was okay but he was never a threat like Moss/Owens can be

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as evidenced by the Arkansas game and Bowling Green, right? Or you just mean Weigman vs Missouri, and the zone-read in the 2nd half vs Lsu?

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LOL!

Do you actually believe that a new staff waltzes into a new program and clicks on all cylinders in year one.

Get a grip, man.

I would take chat gpt over Klein

I think Alabama will hire him but yes, fire Klein

Playcalling was hampered by injuries on the O Line and Moss. Maturation of the OL with Owens and Moss back will make a huge difference. Stability on the offensive side of the ball has not been there at all recently. Multiple QB injuries and QB changes along with OL injuries/Addazzio have made the offense so hard to watch at times. For me Klein gets one more year with an off season knowing Reed is 90% likely the starter, healthy RB and new WR threats coming in. If he can't do it year 2, move on.