....are condemned to repeat it.


We've literally been through this issue before with another QB. Haynes King had similar footwork issues and mechanical throwing issues. They DO NOT get better.

Saban pulled Milroe and played some crap backup vs South Florida that doesn't even play football anymore DURING A PLAYOFF SEASON. Meanwhile, we play a much lesser QB when we have a potential gamechangers on the bench who are faster and have stronger arms.

He's going to look like a world beater against McNeese Tech and maybe even squeak by a terrible Florida team

WHAT ARE WE DOING?!?!?!



/rant over

You may wanna hop in your Delorean and see how King is doing since he's been at GT.

Also…McNeese Tech?

This next game will show a lot. Haynes was supposed to be "the guy". We heard about his athleticism, and his "elite speed". The Kent State game was where I gave up on Haynes King. He threw bad throws, INT's. It was who he was/is. (Turns the ball over a lot)

This McNeese State game should show us everything we need to see. Conner should look Elite against the type of talent he is facing this weekend. Otherwise, we may need to move on from the Weigman experiment.

1 game does not make a trend especially game
One of a new coaching staff against a quality opponent

I will admit I expected much better based on Weigman's prior performance history

King has improved some at GT but he still threw 16 interceptions last yr. Gritty, grinder type that actually may have been a better fit for Klein's offense than Weigman but that ship sailed well b4 Elko/Klein

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You may wanna hop in your Delorean and see how King is doing since he's been at GT.

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King has been average to terrible at GT.
In 2023 he was a 60% passer with 27 TDs and 16 INTs. So basically the same as what he was at A&M.
Against FSU this year he was 11/16 had 146 yards passing and no TDs.

Reality is different than perception. Conner Weigman is an average QB with an average arm and terrible footwork. Doesn't seem any different than King. If we want to win at the same clip as GT, we should keep playing Weigman.

If we want to win at a higher rate, play Henderson or Reed.

Last week notwithstanding, Weigman is a much more accurate passer than King.

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Yeah - King had to go to Ireland to beat a highly ranked team.

Really feel for GT.

The administration allowed a huge contract and actually Sharp took political credit for the hire when pushing Woodward out. And now it's gone tits up. He is nothing if not an "efficiency" expert so he "efficiently" changed the story so he wouldn't be hung with the Jimbo tenure as he was retiring. Hope that helps…equivalent of spiking negative political stories by releasing them on Friday before a federal holiday Monday.

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Yeah - King had to go to Ireland to beat a highly ranked team.

Really feel for GT.

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He was 11/16 for 146 yards against an 0-2 FSU team that might not be bowl eligible this year. Your take is disingenuous.

Connor had a bad game. We all agree. That doesn't mean we jump ship from him. It's not like ND is some BS school; it's a really good defense.

Any comparison to King is misplaced. Until last week, I don't ever remember people screaming about Connor's poor mechanics/footwork. Plus, I don't remember TexAgs screaming about King's footwork. It was his long and awkward throwing motion and release that we all couldn't stand.

I will say that I would have a package of plays (10 or so) for Reed every game. He wouldn't be a replacement for Connor, but he could potentially be a spark / difference maker, if and when needed. Henderson is probably more consistent than Reed, but Reed's quickness is a problem for most teams. Reed should be given a chance to lead a drive or two each week if Connor struggles.

Reed is JFF Nimble/Fast, but Henderson might be straight line faster aka Reggie McNeal speed.

Either way, both are dynamic and exciting players. One or both should see some pt moving forward. They are too good to keep on the bench.

Your example for pulling a QB due to unfixable issues is that Saban pulled Jalen Milroe.....who has been the starter since after that game?

I'm fine pulling Conner if the other guys look better, but you guys demanding things or claiming you know exactly how this plays out with or without Conner are just silly.

10 G, 128-220 58.2%, 1579 yards, 9 TD, 10 INT, 130 yards and 1 TD rushing on 41 carries, 2 fumbles lost

10 G, 167-281 59.4%, 1975 yards, 16 TD, 4 INT, 186 yards and 2 TD rushing on 46 carries, 1 fumble lost

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This next game will show a lot. Haynes was supposed to be "the guy". We heard about his athleticism, and his "elite speed". The Kent State game was where I gave up on Haynes King. He threw bad throws, INT's. It was who he was/is. (Turns the ball over a lot)

This McNeese State game should show us everything we need to see. Conner should look Elite against the type of talent he is facing this weekend. Otherwise, we may need to move on from the Weigman experiment.

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The normal Weig will be great Sat. The question is which Weig will show up, the normal one or, again, the "what's wrong with CW" one.

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You may wanna hop in your Delorean and see how King is doing since he's been at GT.

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King has been average to terrible at GT.
In 2023 he was a 60% passer with 27 TDs and 16 INTs. So basically the same as what he was at A&M.
Against FSU this year he was 11/16 had 146 yards passing and no TDs.

Reality is different than perception. Conner Weigman is an average QB with an average arm and terrible footwork. Doesn't seem any different than King. If we want to win at the same clip as GT, we should keep playing Weigman.

If we want to win at a higher rate, play Henderson or Reed.

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Stats stats stats....opinions based purely on post-game stats.
Maybe watch a game, the situations, the play calls, the pre-snap check-down calls, the post-snap decision making, the pocket situations, even the dropped balls.
His stats could have been better, but don't misinterpret how they came to be, and don't underestimate the intangibles from any given game that won't always show up on a stat sheet.

King won't be a 1st round draft pick, may not get drafted at all, but he's serviceable for sure, especially with how GTech wants to play.
And whether you like it or not, in THAT game, the kid willed that team to a win. His gutsy play was contagious and the rest of the team fed off it, and if you watched it you could see it.
GTech isn't a pretty team, but they're a gutsy team.

Their defense was actually the surprise of the day. Although DJ Ukelele's horrible play certainly helped that perception, their front 7 still held up better than expected.

As it relates to Weigman, you can't kick him to the curb just yet after a rough game 1 against a very good defense. Game 1's are wonky in general, and mistakes are magnified against good teams. There's a reason why people say the biggest gains are made between games 1 and 2. But that said, you've gotta be willing to pull that trigger if the ****ty play continues....and i think this staff will do it, should it come to that.
Elko's right, they've seen 1000's of reps from the QB depth chart, and Weigman (for now) is QB1 for a reason.
In contrast, the fanbase is the fanbase, it's not composed of collegiate and pro level coaches, and certainly won't have the sample size or the perspective.

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It's not like ND is some BS school; it's a really good defense.

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This would be a fair statement if that defense was actually the reason Weigman was playing poorly. It wasn't, he was playing poorly because of himself. He had room to throw but missed throws and kept making mental mistakes. ND's defense wasn't the Steel Curtain out there. Also, people last year were criticizing Weigman throwing off his back foot.

I hope he figures it out, though.

BTHO McNeese Tech

Stats are records of the what happened on every play. Stats don't lie. Stats show production or lack thereof of offenses, defenses, individual players performance, etc. I have found that folks that run from stats are trying to cover something up. Bias. Narrative. Whatever. College Teams and NFL teams use them some stats!

Just because someone brings stats (facts) to the table, does not mean they have not watched the game. It also doesn't mean they don't know football.

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Stats are records of the what happened on every play. Stats don't lie. Stats show production or lack thereof of offenses, defenses, individual players performance, etc. I have found that folks that run from stats are trying to cover something up. Bias. Narrative. Whatever. College Teams and NFL teams use them some stats!

Just because someone brings stats (facts) to the table, does not mean they have not watched the game. It also doesn't mean they don't know football.

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Great, go back in time and give all the TxTech QB's under Leach the Heisman Trophy.

Post-game stats have their place, and they're important, and highly relied upon. Don't disagree. They're just not the full picture of what really went on, play by play, game by game, player by player.

Otherwise, throw away all game film and just go surf some box scores.

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Connor had a bad game. We all agree. That doesn't mean we jump ship from him. It's not like ND is some BS school; it's a really good defense.

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Oh come on, Rule #8 - logic need not apply when TexAgs melts down.

Hopefully someone tells him how that card got in his shoe before kickoff.

Conner Weigman has been just average against Power 4 teams. He is 5-4 as a starter but just 2-4 against Power 4 teams. If we exclude our home win over Auburn in which he left with a left ankle injury in the 2nd quarter, he is just 1-4 in games against Power 4 teams that he started and finished.

2022
At South Carolina (30-24 loss): didn't start, 8/15, 91 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
Ole Miss (31-28 loss): 28/44, 338 passing yards, 4 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
At Auburn (13-10 loss) 14/36, 121 passing yards, 1 touchdown, and 0 interceptions
LSU (38-23 win): 12/18, 155 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions

2023
At Miami (48-33 loss): 31/53, 336 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions
Auburn (27-10 win): 8/14, 70 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions before injuring his left ankle in the 2nd quarter.

2024
Notre Dame (23-13 loss): 12/30 100 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.

Statistically, Conner Weigman had his best performance against Power 4 teams during his freshman year with 7 touchdowns against 0 interceptions in 3 SEC games. Since his sophomore year, he has thrown 2 touchdowns against 4 interceptions in 3 games against Power 4 opponents, and he had his collegiate career worst performance against Notre Dame. Yes, Notre Dame's defense is tough, but 13 points is the fewest we have scored at home since a 26-10 home loss to Auburn on 11/7/15. Nevertheless, I think Weigman will start tomorrow . Because this game should be a blowout by halftime, he shouldn't play much in the 2nd half. Jaylen Henderson and Marcel Reed should split reps in the 2nd half.

The road game at Florida will be a good litmus test for Weigman. Florida has lost 6 consecutive games, including 3 consecutive home games, and 24 of their last 34 games against Power 4 teams, dating back to a 37-34 home loss to LSU on 12/12/20. For these reasons, I think the road game at Florida is our most winnable road game. Otherwise, a loss at Florida would extend our road losing streak to 11 games and our losing streak against Power 4 teams to 4 games.

We have a 10-game road losing streak with 5 different starting quarterbacks, and 3 of them are gone. Jimbo Fisher ended his tenure with 9 consecutive road losses, and the 10th straight road loss was under interim head coach Elijah Robinson.

2021: 2 road losses at Ole miss and LSU (Zach Calzada)

2022: 4 road losses at Mississippi State (Max Johnson); Alabama and South Carolina (Haynes King); and Auburn (Conner Weigman)

2023: 4 road losses at Miami (Conner Weigman); Tennessee and Ole Miss (Max Johnson); and Jaylen Henderson (LSU)

Hopefully, the Elko/Weigman combination can snap that 10-game road losing streak at Florida next Saturday.

The reality is worse than I thought. Conner has had two solid games against Power 4 teams. 2022 Ole Miss (loss) and 2022 LSU (win).

He has a lot to prove to me that he can be a top QB in the SEC. The sad part is he has had his chances. He's just not good enough. He doesn't have the arm strength or speed (or apparently footwork).

Again, he is going to beat McNeese Tech and possibly even Florida and may put up some good numbers. But it doesn't matter because I would expect ANY A&M QB to win those games easily.

Why we continually put up with this nonsense and make excuses I'll never know. Especially when we have two potentially better players on the bench, both of which are better than Max Johnson for example (which is what we had on the bench before). If Conner plays the rest of the year, seven wins is the ceiling.

Texas A&M is the place where QBs either transfer and succeed or stay and fail.

Exception being Manziel.

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No they are not.

However, those who are very familiar with the past happily repeat it.

Witness this forum....

I thought this was going to be about the idiots happy to play tu again

Against Power 4 opponents

Haynes King at Georgia Tech: 7-5

Conner Weigman: 1-4

That is not what I stated. Yes, you watch the game. Gimmicky offenses. Yes. Nobody just relies on stats.

But NOT using stats when evaluating players takes things out of context. It can lead one to making bold claims of "elite" and 1st round draft pick of a 5-4 QB with passing accuracy (10 games played) near the bottom of the SEC. That is what happened here at TexAgs after his first 6 games. The production (stats) does not show that.

Some folks point to last year, where CW played 2 cupcakes with losing records, a bad 7-6 Miami team with the 55th ranked Pass Defense (worse than A&M), and a bad Auburn team, where he scored no points by passing or running in his only half, and extrapolate that his 68% passing percentage (2023) makes him an accurate and elite passer?

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Conner Weigman has been just average against Power 4 teams. He is 5-4 as a starter but just 2-4 against Power 4 teams. If we exclude our home win over Auburn in which he left with a left ankle injury in the 2nd quarter, he is just 1-4 in games against Power 4 teams that he started and finished.

2022
At South Carolina (30-24 loss): didn't start, 8/15, 91 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
Ole Miss (31-28 loss): 28/44, 338 passing yards, 4 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions
At Auburn (13-10 loss) 14/36, 121 passing yards, 1 touchdown, and 0 interceptions
LSU (38-23 win): 12/18, 155 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions

2023
At Miami (48-33 loss): 31/53, 336 passing yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions
Auburn (27-10 win): 8/14, 70 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions before injuring his left ankle in the 2nd quarter.

2024
Notre Dame (23-13 loss): 12/30 100 passing yards, 0 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.

Statistically, Conner Weigman had his best performance against Power 4 teams during his freshman year with 7 touchdowns against 0 interceptions in 3 SEC games. Since his sophomore year, he has thrown 2 touchdowns against 4 interceptions in 3 games against Power 4 opponents, and he had his collegiate career worst performance against Notre Dame. Yes, Notre Dame's defense is tough, but 13 points is the fewest we have scored at home since a 26-10 home loss to Auburn on 11/7/15. Nevertheless, I think Weigman will start tomorrow . Because this game should be a blowout by halftime, he shouldn't play much in the 2nd half. Jaylen Henderson and Marcel Reed should split reps in the 2nd half.

The road game at Florida will be a good litmus test for Weigman. Florida has lost 6 consecutive games, including 3 consecutive home games, and 24 of their last 34 games against Power 4 teams, dating back to a 37-34 home loss to LSU on 12/12/20. For these reasons, I think the road game at Florida is our most winnable road game. Otherwise, a loss at Florida would extend our road losing streak to 11 games and our losing streak against Power 4 teams to 4 games.

We have a 10-game road losing streak with 5 different starting quarterbacks, and 3 of them are gone. Jimbo Fisher ended his tenure with 9 consecutive road losses, and the 10th straight road loss was under interim head coach Elijah Robinson.

2021: 2 road losses at Ole miss and LSU (Zach Calzada)

2022: 4 road losses at Mississippi State (Max Johnson); Alabama and South Carolina (Haynes King); and Auburn (Conner Weigman)

2023: 4 road losses at Miami (Conner Weigman); Tennessee and Ole Miss (Max Johnson); and Jaylen Henderson (LSU)

Hopefully, the Elko/Weigman combination can snap that 10-game road losing streak at Florida next Saturday.

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Anyone who holds the 2 int vs Miami as a knock against him is either a complete moron or personally just wants to see him fail…last week was the 1st ints he's thrown that were at fault of himself.

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The administration allowed a huge contract and actually Sharp took political credit for the hire when pushing Woodward out. And now it's gone tits up. He is nothing if not an "efficiency" expert so he "efficiently" changed the story so he wouldn't be hung with the Jimbo tenure as he was retiring. Hope that helps…equivalent of spiking negative political stories by releasing them on Friday before a federal holiday Monday.

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Don't forget about the national championship trophy given to Jimbo.

Way too many high four and five star QB's come here to not play very well.

Connar isn't very good. Not sure when you guys will realize that. We need to move on from him and demote him already. Get a qb from the transfer portal.

Wow just blowing past Reed and Henderson too?