Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Why do sips have the most NIL $$?
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WC94 said:
I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Why not?
Longhorn football is a huge brand in itself.
Who says they do.
Are you thinking bc they have no one in the portal. Thats not the reason they have no one in the portal at this time. Let me help you out. Washington, Bama, and Michigan also do not. But Ohio State among other good programs have plenty.
What could it be this year??????
Are you thinking bc they have no one in the portal. Thats not the reason they have no one in the portal at this time. Let me help you out. Washington, Bama, and Michigan also do not. But Ohio State among other good programs have plenty.
What could it be this year??????
They don't. We have figured out nil and for good or bad we pay the most over all. First year we spent a lot more then other schools but they are catching up because we had so much money tied up in 2022 class.
All contracts have a non disclosure tied to them so who knows the exact dollar amount only the players and the collective and by contract law neither party can discuss payment. Kiffin knows that's why he makes the jokes.
All contracts have a non disclosure tied to them so who knows the exact dollar amount only the players and the collective and by contract law neither party can discuss payment. Kiffin knows that's why he makes the jokes.
The Tennessee NIL collective or whatever it's called, Spyre Sports Group is supposedly now the largest NIL fund in the nation. Can't remember the numbers the article mentioned. The state of Tennessee recently passed legislation that allowed for this "group" to benefit the university of Tennessee in ways it previously couldn't.
If you listen to the players who commit, Sark, Arch, being in the playoffs, the city of Austin, and other players on campus are a big influence as well
A&M could have it.
WC94 said:
Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Their alumni base is substantially larger and more wealthy than ours.
I would say that their fan base is (cause they have a huge number of fans that never even attended a day of class), but I wouldn't say that their alumni base is.The Chicken Ranch said:WC94 said:
Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Their alumni base is substantially larger and more wealthy than ours.
northeastag said:I would say that their fan base is (cause they have a huge number of fans that never even attended a day of class), but I wouldn't say that their alumni base is.The Chicken Ranch said:WC94 said:
Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Their alumni base is substantially larger and more wealthy than ours.
In #'s, I agree with both of your points.
In $, I would have to see proof to believe that sip alums are substantially more rich than Ag's.
If you think their NIL funding is big now, just wait till after this season. After finally having a successful season, I'd expect it to grow more.
Never underestimate the power of Texas politicians in this state. Old blue dogs. Has been the strength behind t.u. for decades.
Back room, behind closed doors politics. If you young guys can't figure that out I don't know what to say.
That liberal junk hole as been spewing out politicians, lawyers, journalism and political science minions for years…. That permeates the business, media and legislative realm both in Texas and nationally.
Runs very deep. Basically a Texas deep state all it's own.
Back room, behind closed doors politics. If you young guys can't figure that out I don't know what to say.
That liberal junk hole as been spewing out politicians, lawyers, journalism and political science minions for years…. That permeates the business, media and legislative realm both in Texas and nationally.
Runs very deep. Basically a Texas deep state all it's own.
For starters they didn't just waste $75M on a coach buyout.
They've been NILing the hell out of players, officials, and media for a century. Why are we surprised they are doing it now?
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The Chicken Ranch said:WC94 said:
Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Their alumni base is substantially larger and more wealthy than ours.
this is not an accurate statement for 2023. maybe 20 years ago during the little brother years maybe, but not anymore. the alumni bases for a&m and texas are approximately the same now, and a&m will surpass texas alumni base and grow substantially bigger in the near future. our school is dramatically bigger now and the advantages they had in alumni base is aging.
cupofjoe04 said:northeastag said:I would say that their fan base is (cause they have a huge number of fans that never even attended a day of class), but I wouldn't say that their alumni base is.The Chicken Ranch said:WC94 said:
Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Their alumni base is substantially larger and more wealthy than ours.
In #'s, I agree with both of your points.
In $, I would have to see proof to believe that sip alums are substantially more rich than Ag's.
If for any reason the sips alumni are richer, it would be because they are older on average because they were the larger schools for so long.
But as the older folks die off, I would expect A&M to take the lead as our larger number of graduates age.
cupofjoe04 said:northeastag said:I would say that their fan base is (cause they have a huge number of fans that never even attended a day of class), but I wouldn't say that their alumni base is.The Chicken Ranch said:WC94 said:
Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Their alumni base is substantially larger and more wealthy than ours.
In #'s, I agree with both of your points.
In $, I would have to see proof to believe that sip alums are substantially more rich than Ag's.
Yeah it's not close. Texas has way more ultra high net alumni.
https://universitybusiness.com/the-20-colleges-and-universities-with-the-most-ultra-wealthy-alumni/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_by_number_of_billionaire_alumni#:~:text=Counting%20all%20degrees%2C%20Harvard%20University,total%20number%20of%20billionaire%20alumni.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/07/31/wealth-x-the-20-american-universities-that-produce-the-richest-grads.html
When Deloss said "We are the Joneses" it was pretty arrogant. It also was not wrong.
When it comes to the general disposition toward tu, I wish we were more like OU about it.
They just let sip be sip, don't really sweat it much, and just beat their ass on the field anyway.
Instead weve got people wringing hands and dithering constantly about whatever they're doing, or not doing.
It's embarrassing how much space tessus occupies in some people's heads.
They just let sip be sip, don't really sweat it much, and just beat their ass on the field anyway.
Instead weve got people wringing hands and dithering constantly about whatever they're doing, or not doing.
It's embarrassing how much space tessus occupies in some people's heads.
Haleyscomet50 said:
They don't. We have figured out nil and for good or bad we pay the most over all. First year we spent a lot more then other schools but they are catching up because we had so much money tied up in 2022 class.
All contracts have a non disclosure tied to them so who knows the exact dollar amount only the players and the collective and by contract law neither party can discuss payment. Kiffin knows that's why he makes the jokes.
My austinite friends are in awe of massive bankroll we laid out for our roster.
Rick Neuheisel said on his Sirius show that an AD friend of his asked Bjork if the $30m tag was true and Bjork said it was not. It was $50m.
I heard that with my own ears. No idea if it is true.
They have a lot of support from people that never set foot on that campus.
Well we are doing a piss poor job with it as well as everything else university related. Our chancellor, board, president and ad are a bunch of losers.
Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:The Chicken Ranch said:WC94 said:
Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Their alumni base is substantially larger and more wealthy than ours.
this is not an accurate statement for 2023. maybe 20 years ago during the little brother years maybe, but not anymore. the alumni bases for a&m and texas are approximately the same now, and a&m will surpass texas alumni base and grow substantially bigger in the near future. our school is dramatically bigger now and the advantages they had in alumni base is aging.
Truly sad we had to become a diploma mill and hurt academics so we could have a giant alumni to get more donations for the football team. The university student body growth has been ridiculous.
I also doubt, with such a massive enrollment, that the per student donations will be as high. Good or bad (I consider it an overall negative) the culture isn't going to be as "special" with the massive influx of students.
coupland boy said:
They have a lot of support from people that never set foot on that campus.
This as well. As much as we all hate Austin, they now have Apple, NBIDIA, Google, Tesla, and a ton of hedge fund headquarters. Look at the funding for Moody and the new suites at DKR. Alumni paid nothing.
TexAggie1999 said:Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:The Chicken Ranch said:WC94 said:
Can they tap the PUF? Corporate sponsers? I cant imagine they have more donor support than us.
Their alumni base is substantially larger and more wealthy than ours.
this is not an accurate statement for 2023. maybe 20 years ago during the little brother years maybe, but not anymore. the alumni bases for a&m and texas are approximately the same now, and a&m will surpass texas alumni base and grow substantially bigger in the near future. our school is dramatically bigger now and the advantages they had in alumni base is aging.
Truly sad we had to become a diploma mill and hurt academics so we could have a giant alumni to get more donations for the football team. The university student body growth has been ridiculous.
I also doubt, with such a massive enrollment, that the per student donations will be as high. Good or bad (I consider it an overall negative) the culture isn't going to be as "special" with the massive influx of students.
This is 100% accurate. Sharp has ruined TAMU. We are a diploma mill.
He sucks.
We have plenty of money. We don't dwarf every other program like some here gloat about, but we are in the elite tier and can compete with anyone on spending.
Our issue with players is because we are coming off of 8-4, 5-7, and 7-5 seasons (10-14 during that time in SEC play) and just fired our coach.
Lack of success and changing coaches is why we are going to have problems with obtaining/retaining players.
Our issue with players is because we are coming off of 8-4, 5-7, and 7-5 seasons (10-14 during that time in SEC play) and just fired our coach.
Lack of success and changing coaches is why we are going to have problems with obtaining/retaining players.
We've soaked our big donors for facilities so less NIL money to go around.
If tu is so rich, why did it take them 2-3 years to raise money for the flying euterus endzone, only 20 mil? Why did they have to have a private consortium build their basketball/events center in return for the income off of it for about 30 years? Why have they not improved their crappy bubble indoor facility? They have a lot of money invested in the portal because they started two years ago buying players before authorities decide to look the other way. They have a two year jump on us buying players, not because they have more money. Did we not invest $750 mil a few years ago on our football faciilities?
Because facilities don't matter anymore and they get that but our AD doesn't. Kids would rather have an extra $100k in their pocket then practice in the Taj Mahal.
Outrigger said:
If tu is so rich, why did it take them 2-3 years to raise money for the flying euterus endzone, only 20 mil? Why did they have to have a private consortium build their basketball/events center in return for the income off of it for about 30 years? Why have they not improved their crappy bubble indoor facility? They have a lot of money invested in the portal because they started two years ago buying players before authorities decide to look the other way. They have a two year jump on us buying players, not because they have more money. Did we not invest $750 mil a few years ago on our football faciilities?
I kind of doubt any of your info is true given that $20 million stadium improvement (your number) really cost them over $175 million.
Also, why wouldn't you get someone else to pay for your $375 million basketball arena if you could. That isn't a sign of being poor. That is a sign of being smart and financially responsible.
Do you think spending more than you have to is a positive? Were you possibly part of creating Jimbo's contract?
They ARE rich. We are too. Money isn't the problem.
Ultra wealthy donors aren't obligated to give millions to their university. They didn't get wealthy by giving money to football programs. Lucci said Texas had the biggest NIL currently and it's not even close. I do wonder if it is 76 million more than ours?
Outrigger said:
If tu is so rich, why did it take them 2-3 years to raise money for the flying euterus endzone, only 20 mil? Why did they have to have a private consortium build their basketball/events center in return for the income off of it for about 30 years? Why have they not improved their crappy bubble indoor facility? They have a lot of money invested in the portal because they started two years ago buying players before authorities decide to look the other way. They have a two year jump on us buying players, not because they have more money. Did we not invest $750 mil a few years ago on our football faciilities?
So after reviewing the funding this one is easy. They used hedge funds to build the facilities and take a revenue sharing approach. Just like UFCU built their baseball stadium. Alumni money is used for other things.
The association of former students put out a start a few years back that over 50,% of our alumni has graduated AFTER the mid to late 80s or early 90s.
The Sips undoubtedly have more total alumni than A&M does, and by age thru certainly have more in their golden years. Where A&M has recruited us a much closer loyalty of our older alumni that have historically way out donated their tu counterparts.
A substantial percentage of our alumni are still putting kids through school.
I can't say for the exceptionally wealthy had to head on either school, but I'm total numbers they still have us beat.
If our younger alumni come remotely close to matching the generosity of their older counterparts in another decade or so no one will touch us.
The Sips undoubtedly have more total alumni than A&M does, and by age thru certainly have more in their golden years. Where A&M has recruited us a much closer loyalty of our older alumni that have historically way out donated their tu counterparts.
A substantial percentage of our alumni are still putting kids through school.
I can't say for the exceptionally wealthy had to head on either school, but I'm total numbers they still have us beat.
If our younger alumni come remotely close to matching the generosity of their older counterparts in another decade or so no one will touch us.
Kenneth_2003 said:
The association of former students put out a start a few years back that over 50,% of our alumni has graduated AFTER the mid to late 80s or early 90s.
The Sips undoubtedly have more total alumni than A&M does, and by age thru certainly have more in their golden years. Where A&M has recruited us a much closer loyalty of our older alumni that have historically way out donated their tu counterparts.
A substantial percentage of our alumni are still putting kids through school.
I can't say for the exceptionally wealthy had to head on either school, but I'm total numbers they still have us beat.
If our younger alumni come remotely close to matching the generosity of their older counterparts in another decade or so no one will touch us.
This is a gross misunderstanding of how big the gap is between the two schools in the amount of ultra wealthy ($30 million or higher) net worth. % of alumni donating won't matter anytime soon. The generational advantage they have in ultra wealthy donors is only getting wider. The rich get richer because they buy assets when times are bad and keep them until times are good. They have Michael Dell, McCombs, Jamail, Hollywood actors, hedge funders, and international alumni that won't be matched anytime soon. They still dominate in finance and law and that also matters.
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