IMO, you can get a top coach to sign a performance-based contract, if they have the opportunity to earn a lot more than they could anywhere else. And if a coach wins a national championship, we ought to be willing to pay them a lot more.

Here's a proper incentive structure that might attract a top coach who is arrogant enough to believe he can do that. Note that each additional victory increases his salary by 50%:

Good luck w that

Bama would have to start losing games on purpose to afford Saban.

No coach would do that, and no agent would allow it either.

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No coach would do that, and no agent would allow it either.

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You're deluded. There are literally thousands of coaches who would take that in a heartbeat. Heck, many of them are earning ~$100k with no possibility of an increase.

How about an incentive that pays $77 million for winning a NC here instead of for being the former HC here who won a NC before he coached here?

Why do people keep crapping themselves about the money?

It's not your money.... So what difference does it make?


So strange to me that there are Aggies triggered by this

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Aggie87 said:

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No coach would do that, and no agent would allow it either.

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You're deluded. There are literally thousands of coaches who would take that in a heartbeat. Heck, many of them are earning ~$100k with no possibility of an increase.

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The guys that are making $100K per year are not the "top coaches" you clearly were talking about in your original post.

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SchizoAg said:

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Aggie87 said:

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No coach would do that, and no agent would allow it either.

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You're deluded. There are literally thousands of coaches who would take that in a heartbeat. Heck, many of them are earning ~$100k with no possibility of an increase.

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The guys that are making $100K per year are not the "top coaches" you clearly were talking about in your original post.

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He said "no coach", but fine. Citation needed, I call BS.

When you're offering 4x the highest salary in the country for winning a NC, it's going to turn a lot of heads.

I would love something like this. Should be only $200k until they hit 9 wins and go up to $5M at 9.

Lolpoors abound.

I would probably base more on other goals besides just wins, but regular season wins alone would also have a bonus structure as well

Things like:

• 10 win season
• win the West - make it to the conf championship
• win a conf championship
• make the playoff
• win a 1st rd playoff game or secure a 1st rd bye
• win a 2nd rd playoff game
• win semi final playoff game
• win national championship
• finish top 5 in recruiting (by what method not sure)
• have players that win nat'l awards
• have players that make all conf teams or all American
• avoid players getting arrested
• some kind of player academic standard goal?
• make coach of the year
• have coaches on staff get recognized

Each would have some bonus attached to it. Some goals would obviously be more heavily weighted than others. Winning a NC would probably represent around half of the available bonus $.

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SchizoAg said:

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Aggie87 said:

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No coach would do that, and no agent would allow it either.

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You're deluded. There are literally thousands of coaches who would take that in a heartbeat. Heck, many of them are earning ~$100k with no possibility of an increase.

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The guys that are making $100K per year are not the "top coaches" you clearly were talking about in your original post.

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He said "no coach", but fine. Citation needed, I call BS.

When you're offering 4x the highest salary in the country for winning a NC, it's going to turn a lot of heads.

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Why would any top tier coach take this risk on when their market rate houses a buyout bigger than their national championship payoff even if they win no games?

These incentive based contracts are cute because people who tout them are sincere about it.., but it just isn't aligned with the market rate for the top tier guys. Yeah potentially a huge base but when the golden parachute in the market is bigger than the top payout, it will have no serious legs.

Please just stop with this. There are 133 FBS programs. Is there ONE program with a contract like this? Gotta be a reason for that

dont need to back load the championship wins with such insanely high payouts. Pay a little more on the lower end (8-10 wins) and shift higher salaries to the assistant coaches. That would satisfy most coaches.

Being HC at Texas A&M is a privilege. Any man that doesnt believe that- move on.

This is how you get the head coach at tarleton state. If you want A&M football to be the joke of all jokes in college football, this is a good first step.

Doesn't matter, whoever the new coach is will be given a guaranteed contract for an unbelievable sum of money.

OP should be ridiculed for the idiocy of this post.

I look forward to seeing this nonsense again on Message Board Geniuses.

The salary structure of the OP is way off. But the concept is spot on.

The ONLY reason teams are not implementing performance based contracts is sheer STUPIDITY.

Losing season: grounds for firing for cause. At a bare minimum- this should be in EVERY contract. Any coach who believes he should get $9M plus for a losing season is a FRAUD.

Win NC: pay boost

Years ago they did a performance based contract for a NFL running back and it did not work well for them so which basically killed anyone else from doing so. I am a very big proponent of performance based contracts but if they market is not allowing them you can't really do them. Right now this is a guaranteed money market, why in the world would a player give up on guaranteed millions?

SchizoAg said:

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IMO, you can get a top coach to sign a performance-based contract, if they have the opportunity to earn a lot more than they could anywhere else. And if a coach wins a national championship, we ought to be willing to pay them a lot more.

Here's a proper incentive structure that might attract a top coach who is arrogant enough to believe he can do that. Note that each additional victory increases his salary by 50%:

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SchizoAg said:

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SchizoAg said:

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Aggie87 said:

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No coach would do that, and no agent would allow it either.

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You're deluded. There are literally thousands of coaches who would take that in a heartbeat. Heck, many of them are earning ~$100k with no possibility of an increase.

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The guys that are making $100K per year are not the "top coaches" you clearly were talking about in your original post.

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He said "no coach", but fine. Citation needed, I call BS.

When you're offering 4x the highest salary in the country for winning a NC, it's going to turn a lot of heads.

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Your strategy incentivizes programs to maintain mediocrity.

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Years ago they did a performance based contract for a NFL running back and it did not work well for them so which basically killed anyone else from doing so. I am a very big proponent of performance based contracts but if they market is not allowing them you can't really do them. Right now this is a guaranteed money market, why in the world would a player give up on guaranteed millions?

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None other than tu running back Ricky Williams, never the brightest guy to start with.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ricky-williams-awful-nfl-contract-never-gave-him-a-chance/

You don't want a coach who needs the incentive of additional money to win football games.

You're afraid of looking like a sucker again. We get it. You want to make sure the coach knows who's the boss. We get that too. But there is a reason incentive-only contracts don't exist, and we won't be the first.

1st Generation Ag said:

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You don't want a coach who needs the incentive of additional money to win football games.

You're afraid of looking like a sucker again. We get it. You want to make sure the coach knows who's the boss. We get that too. But there is a reason incentive-only contracts don't exist, and we won't be the first.

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You don't want a head coach who isn't the boss…

You dang right. But after Jimbo nobody wants to be "owned" by the coach, and we have threads like this one because we want to feel like the coach knows he works for us.

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Aggie87 said:

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No coach would do that, and no agent would allow it either.

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You're deluded. There are literally thousands of coaches who would take that in a heartbeat. Heck, many of them are earning ~$100k with no possibility of an increase.

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High School Coach's maybe. Even the FBS schools are paying the HC $750k and way up. TTech Coach, Rice Coach probably $3mil plus.

For someone to venture into that they needs lots of stipulations in todays market. I MUSH have $x for the following staff positions, I must have $x for every 5star, $y for every 4star on top of the NIL $$$ for 90 kids. Oh and the facilities need to be improved by so many Mil per year.

It's like trying to by $1,000,000 house and saying you'll only pay $750 because lots of folks would.

It is a Seller's Market. HOT Coach's are the Seller's and the schools are the Buyers.

Welp, looks like Bjork agrees with me, and all of you in the peanut gallery can suck it.

Jimbo Fisher's Texas A&M successor can expect deal with fewer guarantees, more incentives

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The structure being an incentive-based contract moving forward, as opposed to a guaranteed deal.

"No one has said no, because they believe in themselves and they believe in the formula that they have," Bjork said of the multiple candidates he has interviewed. "And they believe in Texas A&M, that it's, 'If I'm there with what I can do, I'm not worried about the contract.' "

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"It gives you an incentive structure that is way different than what we've had before," Bjork said. "You can have a base package that has to be competitive, but then it's like, we're not giving bonuses to go to the Liberty Bowl. (You make) the CFP, the first round, the quarterfinals, the semifinals, you host, you win the national championship.

"You win the national championship, you'll get paid like a national championship coach. That's how we're putting this package together."

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Try again.

Contract will be nothing like the one you proposed. The base is going to be over $5mm

Seriously. 2M base. +2M upon reaching 4 wins. +1M for every win thereafter plus other incentives for SECCG, Playoffs. After 5 years if you haven't earned $30M, maybe also meet other metrics, we reserve right to buy you out for $5M. Win big earn like $15M in one magical year. 6 wins shouldn't even garner $6M so this is still a generous contract. Maybe we could offer coach salary savings in bad years into the assistant coaching salary pool to help them hire the best they can.

We already had a performance based contract. It didn't work.

"4.4 Incentives
(a) SEC Championship Game. If the football team wins the SEC West division championship and plays in the SEC Championship Football Game, the University shall pay to Coach the sum of $100,000; or if the football team wins the SEC Championship Football Game, the University shall pay to Coach the sum of
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$200,000. The payment shall be made within thirty (30) days after the conclusion of the football game.
(b) Post-Season Participation. For the football team's appearance in a post-season contest in which Coach serves as the head coach of the University's football team, within thirty (30) days after the conclusion of the applicable post-season participation, the University shall pay to Coach the applicable incentive payment based on the following:
(1) Appearance in any post-season bowl game other than the New Year's Six Games" (New Year's Six Games" being defined collectively as the Rose Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, the Cotton Bowl, the Chick-fil-A Bowl, the Orange Bowl and the Fiesta Bowl (inclusive of any successors thereto) -- $100,000; or
(2) Appearance in one of the New Year's Six Games that is not part of the post-season playoffs in that particular year, $ 200,000; or
(3) Appearance in a Collegiate Football Playoffis semi-final game, $300,000, or play in the CFP Chanmpionship game, $500,000, or win the CFP Championship, $1,000,000."

I don't think many coaches would take this, though I can see an argument being made for not even wanting a coach that wouldn't take this.

It Aint Easy Being Brown said:

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Why do people keep crapping themselves about the money?

It's not your money.... So what difference does it make?


So strange to me that there are Aggies triggered by this

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A lot of folks may see virtue in somebody who does a good job, for not a lot of money.

I don't agree with that, but that might be the case. Our athletic program's war chest seems pretty hefty; we should probably use that to our advantage.

An incentive is the chance to double your salary, a 10% raise is almost an insult with the numbers we are talking about.

Only way incentive based salaries work is if they have a solid base.

So for a coach at A&M that would be a minimum of $5M-$7M a year.

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Only way incentive based salaries work is if they have a solid base.

So for a coach at A&M that would be a minimum of $5M-$7M a year.

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That's what I would say we are fixing to do. 5-7 million contract with incentives ( 10 wins, 12 team playoffs, national title etc...) to make a possible 8-10 million. Smarter targeted spending. It's the right future model of coaching contracts, imo.

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/aggies/article/texas-aggies-football-job-next-contract-incentives-18505079.php

The next contract will be incentive based.

"We have to get this contract right," Bjork told the Learfield-sponsored radio show. "We can't do what we did before. … We've level-set with everybody we've talked to and said, 'Here are the parameters, and here is the structure.'"
The structure being an incentive-based contract moving forward, as opposed to a guaranteed deal.

"No one has said no, because they believe in themselves and they believe in the formula that they have," Bjork said of the multiple candidates he has interviewed. "And they believe in Texas A&M, that it's, 'If I'm there with what I can do, I'm not worried about the contract.' "