Here are some thoughts.
- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.
- Diggs should be used like Miller was. He is an amazing pass rusher.
- Can we PLEASE stop with the naked bootleg? We got positive yards maybe twice out of it. I know why we're doing it, but move him out of harm's way some other way. Using it every drive was predictable and useless.
- I'm not sure if it's the QB call or the scheme, but we have way too many unblocked defenders making plays on our runners. I know the QB pushes the blocking one way or another, but I counted way too many defenders unaccounted for. (Not counting the bootlegs)
- When 2 learns to hit the hole... wherever it is, he will be dangerous. He would stay on his track and miss the open cut too often.
- I know our defense is playing pretty strong, but I hate the defensive end dropping back into coverage after he sees pass. What a dumb concept. I guess it would be more useful if everyone ran 8-yard digs, but when you know it's coming, you don't do that. you give up pressure and give the QB more time to hit plays downfield.
- Annais Smith is the complete package. Catch, run, block. It's fun watching him play. He will make a great professional.
- Good to see us try and score before the half. That was weird.
- Can we please get a special teams coordinator? I know Jim doesn't believe in them, but we are progressively getting worse as the year goes on at every level that Smith isn't involved in.

Anywho... flame away. Gig'em

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- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.

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This isn't correct.

When he has much more time than an average QB needs, he can be deadly. That's on him. The time he needs to process and decide to pull the trigger is way too long. Regardless of our Oline. They aren't good, but he's making them look much worse than they are.

"When he has much more time than an average QB needs,"

When was that?

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- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.

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You must not have sobered up.

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"When he has much more time than an average QB needs,"

When was that?

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That's the point. He generally needs way too much time to be successful. It's why he's a career backup.

And yet we still had 2 WR average over 20 yards a catch on 7 catches. Our offense goes the way of Max figuring it out or being given a predetermined read.

On many occasions, he has plenty of time. On many occasions, he holds the ball too long WITH RECEIVERS OPEN.. On many occasions, our WR's CAN'T GET OPEN. On many occasions, our routes are too long to develop. Why they haven't fixed that is beyond understanding.

But, for all the gnashing of teeth, he completed 2/3 of his passes.

The point made about the run game is true. Cutbacks are there, we just are not seeing them & a half step too slow when we do. Sure miss Achane.

12thMan9 said:

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On many occasions, he has plenty of time. On many occasions, he holds the ball too long WITH RECEIVERS OPEN.. On many occasions, our WR's CAN'T GET OPEN. On many occasions, our routes are too long to develop. Why they haven't fixed that is beyond understanding.

But, for all the gnashing of teeth, he completed 2/3 of his passes.

The point made about the run game is true. Cutbacks are there, we just are not seeing them & a half step too slow when we do. Sure miss Achane.

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Agreed.

One thing Johnson doesn't do is make the quick decision to either throw a guy open or go to the checkdown.

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On many occasions, he has plenty of time. On many occasions, he holds the ball too long WITH RECEIVERS OPEN.. On many occasions, our WR's CAN'T GET OPEN. On many occasions, our routes are too long to develop. Why they haven't fixed that is beyond understanding.

But, for all the gnashing of teeth, he completed 2/3 of his passes.

The point made about the run game is true. Cutbacks are there, we just are not seeing them & a half step too slow when we do. Sure miss Achane.

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That's my main issue is holding onto the ball too long. He does throw a very nice deep ball but either find the receiver or tuck it and run. He either doesn't trust himself or the receivers enough to pull the trigger.

Owens is a true freshman and will keep getting better. Spiller had a rough start and developed nicely. Of course we know what Achane accomplished. Owens will be a stud. RB play is down on my list of concerns (although the pass blocking could be better).

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12thMan9 said:

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On many occasions, he has plenty of time. On many occasions, he holds the ball too long WITH RECEIVERS OPEN.. On many occasions, our WR's CAN'T GET OPEN. On many occasions, our routes are too long to develop. Why they haven't fixed that is beyond understanding.

But, for all the gnashing of teeth, he completed 2/3 of his passes.

The point made about the run game is true. Cutbacks are there, we just are not seeing them & a half step too slow when we do. Sure miss Achane.

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Agreed.

One thing Johnson doesn't do is make the quick decision to either throw a guy open or go to the checkdown.

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Or more importantly tuck it and run or throw it away if he can't pull the damn trigger.

No offense thrives in third and 15+. This offense is done with him at QB if he takes a sack. That's going to happen plenty with ourOline, but he has to find a way to mitigate him being the cause.

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12thMan9 said:

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On many occasions, he has plenty of time. On many occasions, he holds the ball too long WITH RECEIVERS OPEN.. On many occasions, our WR's CAN'T GET OPEN. On many occasions, our routes are too long to develop. Why they haven't fixed that is beyond understanding.

But, for all the gnashing of teeth, he completed 2/3 of his passes.

The point made about the run game is true. Cutbacks are there, we just are not seeing them & a half step too slow when we do. Sure miss Achane.

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He either doesn't trust himself or the receivers enough to pull the trigger.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if after the first 2 games he played it was engrained in him not to cause a turnover by forcing something. I'm fine with him not being comfortable to "throw a receiver open". That's an NFL trait. He just can't take a sack if his first 2 looks aren't there.

So what was your drunk take then?

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Captain Awesome said:

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- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.

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This isn't correct.

When he has much more time than an average QB needs, he can be deadly. That's on him. The time he needs to process and decide to pull the trigger is way too long. Regardless of our Oline. They aren't good, but he's making them look much worse than they are.

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Worse than they are .... our starting QB got hurt from poor O-line play and was getting killed in the previous game as well

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Owens is a true freshman and will keep getting better. Spiller had a rough start and developed nicely. Of course we know what Achane accomplished. Owens will be a stud. RB play is down on my list of concerns (although the pass blocking could be better).

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reuben owens will be a really good running back eventually but he has got to improve on his blocking. he misses not one but multiple blocking assignments per game that costs us.

Here's my assessment without rewatching anything.

We want to be a team who dominates the LOS and runs the ball. Despite this fact, we ran the ball 40 times for 105 yards. 2.6 yards per carry is not getting the job done in the SEC west. Maybe we can still get this thing fixed, maybe we can't. We get another chance Saturday.

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AgLA06 said:

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Captain Awesome said:

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- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.

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This isn't correct.

When he has much more time than an average QB needs, he can be deadly. That's on him. The time he needs to process and decide to pull the trigger is way too long. Regardless of our Oline. They aren't good, but he's making them look much worse than they are.

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Worse than they are .... our starting QB got hurt from poor O-line play and was getting killed in the previous game as well

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Our staring QB is out because we opened up the offensive backed up on our own goal line like our fans wanted. That let the Dline tee off.

It was a freak thing. He didn't get a concussion or break ribs like we think when a QB gets killed on a blitz. He has a broken bone in his foot.

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NoahAg said:

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Owens is a true freshman and will keep getting better. Spiller had a rough start and developed nicely. Of course we know what Achane accomplished. Owens will be a stud. RB play is down on my list of concerns (although the pass blocking could be better).

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reuben owens will be a really good running back eventually but he has got to improve on his blocking. he misses not one but multiple blocking assignments per game that costs us.

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And dropped swing passes.

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nu awlins ag said:

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12thMan9 said:

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On many occasions, he has plenty of time. On many occasions, he holds the ball too long WITH RECEIVERS OPEN.. On many occasions, our WR's CAN'T GET OPEN. On many occasions, our routes are too long to develop. Why they haven't fixed that is beyond understanding.

But, for all the gnashing of teeth, he completed 2/3 of his passes.

The point made about the run game is true. Cutbacks are there, we just are not seeing them & a half step too slow when we do. Sure miss Achane.

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He either doesn't trust himself or the receivers enough to pull the trigger.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if after the first 2 games he played it was engrained in him not to cause a turnover by forcing something. I'm fine with him not being comfortable to "throw a receiver open". That's an NFL trait. He just can't take a sack if his first 2 looks aren't there.

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You are probably right. My point is that when a receiver gets open, he is late getting the ball out. That tells me he either doesn't trust his read or their route running. I was watching CU Saturday night and Sanders on a few occasions just threw the ball up and let his receiver's run to it. That is trusting that they will get their and make an attempt at it. I do like that about him.

AgLA06 said:

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Captain Awesome said:

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- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.

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This isn't correct.

When he has much more time than an average QB needs, he can be deadly. That's on him. The time he needs to process and decide to pull the trigger is way too long. Regardless of our Oline. They aren't good, but he's making them look much worse than they are.

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Nope. You're wrong and he's right

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AgLA06 said:

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Captain Awesome said:

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- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.

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This isn't correct.

When he has much more time than an average QB needs, he can be deadly. That's on him. The time he needs to process and decide to pull the trigger is way too long. Regardless of our Oline. They aren't good, but he's making them look much worse than they are.

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Nope. You're wrong and he's right

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Insightful.

Everything from your 2nd line on down is pretty solid.

we have cut down on having to use time outs due to play clock running out

I too watched the game sober, which was unfortunate bc it was from my phone at a kids all day sports tournament. And the fact is he holds the ball too damn long. Granted the o line are not world beaters but he has to get the ball out faster. And how many times will he roll out and take the sack? Throw the ball away.

you lost me at

"When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman"

AgLA06 said:

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czar_iv said:

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AgLA06 said:

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Captain Awesome said:

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- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.

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This isn't correct.

When he has much more time than an average QB needs, he can be deadly. That's on him. The time he needs to process and decide to pull the trigger is way too long. Regardless of our Oline. They aren't good, but he's making them look much worse than they are.

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Worse than they are .... our starting QB got hurt from poor O-line play and was getting killed in the previous game as well

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Our staring QB is out because we opened up the offensive backed up on our own goal line like our fans wanted. That let the Dline tee off.

It was a freak thing. He didn't get a concussion or break ribs like we think when a QB gets killed on a blitz. He has a broken bone in his foot.

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Lol. Weigman was getting killed every other play that game. To suggest it had something to do with being at the goal line is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Congrats

I'd be curious if we have a special teams "coach" (i.e. analyst) who just works with the team during closed practices. I think it's known most teams have way more of these than the set number allowed by NCAA rules.

I think Johnson is a good quarterback but there are tons of throws that are just late. The double clutch vs Bama to Smith, the throw off the defenders helmet vs Tennessee, etc. Defenses know when we pass they have plenty of time to get there because rarely is the ball out quickly. That's less sacks and less hits on him if things are just on time.

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AgLA06 said:

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czar_iv said:

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AgLA06 said:

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Captain Awesome said:

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- When he has time. Johnson is the best QB in the SEC not named Weigman.

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This isn't correct.

When he has much more time than an average QB needs, he can be deadly. That's on him. The time he needs to process and decide to pull the trigger is way too long. Regardless of our Oline. They aren't good, but he's making them look much worse than they are.

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Worse than they are .... our starting QB got hurt from poor O-line play and was getting killed in the previous game as well

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Our staring QB is out because we opened up the offensive backed up on our own goal line like our fans wanted. That let the Dline tee off.

It was a freak thing. He didn't get a concussion or break ribs like we think when a QB gets killed on a blitz. He has a broken bone in his foot.

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Lol. Weigman was getting killed every other play that game. To suggest it had something to do with being at the goal line is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Congrats

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You're right. Most teams run it there and punt because they agree with you.

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Everything from your 2nd line on down is pretty solid.

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I agree. I should have said that in my first response.

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nu awlins ag said:

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12thMan9 said:

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On many occasions, he has plenty of time. On many occasions, he holds the ball too long WITH RECEIVERS OPEN.. On many occasions, our WR's CAN'T GET OPEN. On many occasions, our routes are too long to develop. Why they haven't fixed that is beyond understanding.

But, for all the gnashing of teeth, he completed 2/3 of his passes.

The point made about the run game is true. Cutbacks are there, we just are not seeing them & a half step too slow when we do. Sure miss Achane.

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He either doesn't trust himself or the receivers enough to pull the trigger.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if after the first 2 games he played it was engrained in him not to cause a turnover by forcing something. I'm fine with him not being comfortable to "throw a receiver open". That's an NFL trait. He just can't take a sack if his first 2 looks aren't there.

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Kellen Mond, is that you?
Zach Calzada, is that you?
Hanyes King, is that you?

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nu awlins ag said:

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12thMan9 said:

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On many occasions, he has plenty of time. On many occasions, he holds the ball too long WITH RECEIVERS OPEN.. On many occasions, our WR's CAN'T GET OPEN. On many occasions, our routes are too long to develop. Why they haven't fixed that is beyond understanding.

But, for all the gnashing of teeth, he completed 2/3 of his passes.

The point made about the run game is true. Cutbacks are there, we just are not seeing them & a half step too slow when we do. Sure miss Achane.

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He either doesn't trust himself or the receivers enough to pull the trigger.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if after the first 2 games he played it was engrained in him not to cause a turnover by forcing something. I'm fine with him not being comfortable to "throw a receiver open". That's an NFL trait. He just can't take a sack if his first 2 looks aren't there.

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I really don't buy that. Why would they let Conner do it but not Max? Throwing a guy open is the exact opposite of forcing a pass. You throw the ball where ONLY your guy can catch it. He just may not have the accuracy to do that.

No disagreement about the criticisms of Max.

How about the positives.

He doesn't need more time / too much time to throw, all he needs is a clean pocket.

Watch the SC game, if he can drop back, not have to avoid an unblocked rusher, he'll complete the pass.

He's a drop-back passer, not a scrambler, that's not his fault, any not-mobile QB will struggle against the pass rushes / blitzes our offense can't pick up.

I see a few open receivers that he missed, but not many, our receivers often have trouble getting off the LOS and / or getting separation from DBs.

Yet Max completed 67% of his passes, often under immense pressure, throwing into tight windows, he is a very accurate passer,

He's under pressure on almost every pass play, but is able to keep turnovers at a minimum.

Big problems, for any QB,

1) if the defense rushes more than 4, at least one will get a shot at our QB

i.e., our blitz pickup is brutal

2) the offensive right tackle protects Max's blind side, very important player,

Bisontis has missed more blocks than he's made, Crownover is better, but not by much.

IMO Max has handled a tough / difficult situation well, we have bigger problems than the QB position.

Refer to Shane Beamer's comments after the game about Max.

He was impressed that, under the pressure and the beating that Max took early on, that SC wasn't able to force any turnovers.

Coach Beamer complimented Max's toughness and ability to hang in there.

He stated, "That is not a backup QB that is playing for Texas A&M."

Gig 'em, Max.

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He doesn't need more time / too much time to throw, all he needs is a clean pocket.

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Getting rid of the ball keeps a pocket clean.

Impressive that you were drunk for an 11am game

NoahAg said:

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Owens is a true freshman and will keep getting better. Spiller had a rough start and developed nicely. Of course we know what Achane accomplished. Owens will be a stud. RB play is down on my list of concerns (although the pass blocking could be better).

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Mississippi has a running back that is a stud and he was a stud as a freshman. I just don't see it with Owens. He has poor vision and goes down with the slightest contact. Our RB play is very inconsistent and is hurting the offense.