There's a lot of banter on the chats about Jimbo not being motivated to win. While I am by no means a Jimbo apologist, I think realistically if you've been doing something your entire adult life, like coaching football, and it's something you're passionate about and enjoy, you're going to try and be successful. Can he afford to suck? From a monetary perspective, yes. But he's also severely tarnished his reputation by the results on the field here at A&M. Presumably he wants to continue coaching for a while. If and when we fire him, whose going to want him after that? That must weigh on him at least a little bit. Sure, he can just retire and take his cool multi-millions and Netflix and Chill for the rest of his life. But if I were him I wouldn't want to just call it quits that way. So, is he doing a great job as our head coach? Nope, sure doesn't seem like it. But is it because he's not "motivated" or "doesn't care about winning" or "doesn't care about the success of the program"? Nah, I don't buy that.
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He wants to win but I'm not sure at this point he knows HOW to win.
The game has passed him by. I believe if we'd hired him 15 years ago, he'd have won a title or two here. College football has changed and he hasn't changed enough with it to be anything other than an ace recruiter.
I agree with you completely, OP. All these coaches are driven by a highly competitive spirit and desire. Sure the money is great, and they want it, but they work their butts off and they do the work in a very public and highly critical, cutthroat environment. I don't think any of us are in a position to questions our coaches desire, work ethic, intelligence, knowedge, etc.
We are in a position to judge the results, and the pay that the coaches receive are in part to compensate for the very fact that they are always under fire, always criticized, etc. But it's a lot of money, it's been 6 years, and the results are not there. That can be fairly judged.
(and I've also always said, I think that Jimbo is disappointed with the results, too.)
We are in a position to judge the results, and the pay that the coaches receive are in part to compensate for the very fact that they are always under fire, always criticized, etc. But it's a lot of money, it's been 6 years, and the results are not there. That can be fairly judged.
(and I've also always said, I think that Jimbo is disappointed with the results, too.)
This. His deer in a headlights look on the sidelines is obvious.nu awlins ag said:
He wants to win but I'm not sure at this point he knows HOW to win.
Nobody cares. Work Harder
Here's a little secret most here fail to grasp. If we fire Jimbo tomorrow and start an absurd contract with the new coach, there is zero guarantee he won't be worse than Jimbo. In fact the chances the next guy fails are much greater than him winning a title.
We gave Jimbo a contract and now we need to suck it up and let him do what we hired him to do.
We gave Jimbo a contract and now we need to suck it up and let him do what we hired him to do.
Agsforcovfefe11 said:
There's a lot of banter on the chats about Jimbo not being motivated to win. While I am by no means a Jimbo apologist, I think realistically if you've been doing something your entire adult life, like coaching football, and it's something you're passionate about and enjoy, you're going to try and be successful. Can he afford to suck? From a monetary perspective, yes. But he's also severely tarnished his reputation by the results on the field here at A&M. Presumably he wants to continue coaching for a while. If and when we fire him, whose going to want him after that? That must weigh on him at least a little bit. Sure, he can just retire and take his cool multi-millions and Netflix and Chill for the rest of his life. But if I were him I wouldn't want to just call it quits that way. So, is he doing a great job as our head coach? Nope, sure doesn't seem like it. But is it because he's not "motivated" or "doesn't care about winning" or "doesn't care about the success of the program"? Nah, I don't buy that.
If he dug ditches (with only a shovel) his whole life and wanted to be congratulated late in life for being a good ditch digger, you'd be correct given that he saved his money and ate sandwiches for all three meals every day of his adult life.
His situation is quite different.
To put it into perspective for ditch diggers, he could buy a $1 million dollar automated ditch digger machine (top of the line) each month, PER MONTH, every month for about eight years, or he could buy and with endorsements still not hurt for cash or need to keep coaching to be well off.
I agree. He's not taking it easy. He's accomplished a lot in his career running his offense a certain way. I don't think he's kept of with the times.
Possible reasons:
1. Ego. Spitballing this one. Guessing he doesn't want to say his offensive system doesn't work any longer.
2. Culture. I don't know if the culture is what it should be after talking with FSU friends (i.e. accountability).
3. $$$. He's got enough $$ for the rest of his life and his grandchildren's grandchildren.
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
1. Ego. Spitballing this one. Guessing he doesn't want to say his offensive system doesn't work any longer.
2. Culture. I don't know if the culture is what it should be after talking with FSU friends (i.e. accountability).
3. $$$. He's got enough $$ for the rest of his life and his grandchildren's grandchildren.
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
Coaches are like Gordon Geko. It's not about money. That's a score card. It's competition and winning.
Good coaches.
Good coaches.
Well that's a relief.
Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
No kidding. You can argue that they are all massively overpaid but not that we fail to hold them accountable.
Gordon Gekko was a caricature designed to villainize short-sighted, parasitic investment speculation. If you're using Douglas's character in an analogy is it just to villainize Jimbo further or is there another thought you were trying to develop???
Because the cheap shots against Jimbo are cheap and unsubstantiated. But if you have an interesting thought…
Because the cheap shots against Jimbo are cheap and unsubstantiated. But if you have an interesting thought…
We don't fire them quickly enough. We give them too much leash and too much $$ for doing nothing here.Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
Elite SEC programs don't give a coach the equivalent of a 10-year extension for winning the Orange Bowl. They may give a 5 year extension for winning the NC.
That's the reason why A&M is still mediocre. We don't do things the same way elite programs who've won NC's in the past 20 years do.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
i am not 100% certain this is the right answer but i know going back at least to gene stallings we have fired every coach i believe.
so my guess is bear bryant he left before we could fire him i guess.
Again, we don't hold them accountable enough quickly enough. 8-4 in 2021 should have been the warning for Jimbo - 5-7 should have been the nail in the coffin.rootube said:Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
No kidding. You can argue that they are all massively overpaid but not that we fail to hold them accountable.
If he was at LSU, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn - I guarantee he'd have been fired last year.
He'll probably stay here for another year.... because our admin is afraid...
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
It's not the holding them accountable or firing them part we're not any good at...it's the selecting the right coach and providing him with a reasonable contract part that we're not any good at.
But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
he definitely wants to win, but he won' ALLOW himself to let go of what he believes is the way to win and adopt a new way to win.nu awlins ag said:
He wants to win but I'm not sure at this point he knows HOW to win.
all he really needs to do is hire a modern oc awho brings with hi ma modern oline coach.
just completely and unequivocably turn over the offense to a young, hungry oc that will transform it into an unstoppable force with the talent on campus.
he was given that chance and hired good ol bobby p who believes in the same type of offense that jimbo does.
if jimbo ever wants to win, he's got to completely let go and let the offense transform into something he is most definitely not comfortable with, but will most definitely work.
he needs a little faith and a little humility
I just don't ever see that happening, so he will go down with the ship.
zooguy96 said:Again, we don't hold them accountable enough quickly enough. 8-4 in 2021 should have been the warning for Jimbo - 5-7 should have been the nail in the coffin.rootube said:Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
No kidding. You can argue that they are all massively overpaid but not that we fail to hold them accountable.
If he was at LSU, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn - I guarantee he'd have been fired last year.
He'll probably stay here for another year.... because our admin is afraid...
I love that your takeaway is that we need to fire them at a faster rate.
The issue is that far too many Aggies are ok with having a mediocre program and just enjoying the game experience.
Eff that.... the game experience is only good if the team is winning. And not just beating patsies.
How many teams has Jimbo Fisher beaten in the last 2 years that had a winning record at the end of the year? Answer - its not many.
We don't hold our coaches accountable as quickly as elite SEC programs. We still have a SWC mindset.
Look at how quickly LSU, Auburn, Florida, etc. get new coaches. They don't screw around. They have much higher expectations than we do, and they back that up with winning NC's in the past 15-20 years. You can tell very quickly if a coach is going to work out or not. Also, you have a better chance of hitting on a coach the more coaches you evaluate. Our vetting process sucks. Right now, we just go for the "flashy" coach.
Sumlin should have been fired after year 4. Jimbo should have been fired last year. But we hinder our ability to hire and fire like other SEC programs by the ridiculous contracts we give out. That's the reason why all the other SEC programs laugh at us. That's also the reason we stay mediocre... sans getting a QB like JFF, who is a once in s lifetime QB.
Eff that.... the game experience is only good if the team is winning. And not just beating patsies.
How many teams has Jimbo Fisher beaten in the last 2 years that had a winning record at the end of the year? Answer - its not many.
We don't hold our coaches accountable as quickly as elite SEC programs. We still have a SWC mindset.
Look at how quickly LSU, Auburn, Florida, etc. get new coaches. They don't screw around. They have much higher expectations than we do, and they back that up with winning NC's in the past 15-20 years. You can tell very quickly if a coach is going to work out or not. Also, you have a better chance of hitting on a coach the more coaches you evaluate. Our vetting process sucks. Right now, we just go for the "flashy" coach.
Sumlin should have been fired after year 4. Jimbo should have been fired last year. But we hinder our ability to hire and fire like other SEC programs by the ridiculous contracts we give out. That's the reason why all the other SEC programs laugh at us. That's also the reason we stay mediocre... sans getting a QB like JFF, who is a once in s lifetime QB.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
We need to get rid of them when it's clear that they aren't going to perform and its a pattern of mediocrity.rootube said:zooguy96 said:Again, we don't hold them accountable enough quickly enough. 8-4 in 2021 should have been the warning for Jimbo - 5-7 should have been the nail in the coffin.rootube said:Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
No kidding. You can argue that they are all massively overpaid but not that we fail to hold them accountable.
If he was at LSU, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn - I guarantee he'd have been fired last year.
He'll probably stay here for another year.... because our admin is afraid...
I love that your takeaway is that we need to fire them at a faster rate.
OL the last 2 years.
Player development.
Mediocre offense.
Our, do results actually matter?
And, it is literally what SEC programs who've won NC's in the past 10-15 years do.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
The good: Defense is great this year. Durkin was a good hire and the front seven play is the best I have seen in a long time.
The bad: we havent won a road game in over 2 years. Crazy considering how much Jimbo makes. OL coach is pitiful and one of the worst offensive lines I have seen since watching Aggie Football for 30 years. I hope Max can make it through the year.
The ugly: A consistent mediocre SEC team that has one of the highest paid coaching staffs.
The bad: we havent won a road game in over 2 years. Crazy considering how much Jimbo makes. OL coach is pitiful and one of the worst offensive lines I have seen since watching Aggie Football for 30 years. I hope Max can make it through the year.
The ugly: A consistent mediocre SEC team that has one of the highest paid coaching staffs.
greg.w.h said:
Gordon Gekko was a caricature designed to villainize short-sighted, parasitic investment speculation. If you're using Douglas's character in an analogy is it just to villainize Jimbo further or is there another thought you were trying to develop???
Because the cheap shots against Jimbo are cheap and unsubstantiated. But if you have an interesting thought…
Interesting. You use lots of big words yet did not comprehend the message. I'll try again.
Jimbo doesn't care about money. He cares about winning. Money is a byproduct of success (winning)
He wants to be the best coach. His measuring bar is Nick and Alabama.
Cheap shot at Jimbo? Not at all. Simply stating money is not what drives the man. It's competition ( gekko states that in the movie).
Jimbo will be measured by his success on the field. Not his bank account.
Edit.
This is an internet message board. Fans have every right to talk about the coach. Good or bad. Don't believe you're the appointed moderator regarding cheap shots.
Bingo. Greg just likes to hear himself.....or in this case read his ramblings. It's funny, because every time he responds to someone he's very condescending.Ifishandlie said:greg.w.h said:
Gordon Gekko was a caricature designed to villainize short-sighted, parasitic investment speculation. If you're using Douglas's character in an analogy is it just to villainize Jimbo further or is there another thought you were trying to develop???
Because the cheap shots against Jimbo are cheap and unsubstantiated. But if you have an interesting thought…
Interesting. You use lots of big words yet did not comprehend the message. I'll try again.
Jimbo doesn't care about money. He cares about winning. Money is a byproduct of success (winning)
He wants to be the best coach. His measuring bar is Nick and Alabama.
Cheap shot at Jimbo? Not at all. Simply stating money is not what drives the man. It's competition ( gekko states that in the movie).
Jimbo will be measured by his success on the field. Not his bank account.
Internet non-donors, fake fan socks, and griefers have already made the decisions. I expect BMAs to have meeting at Albritton Tower for a vote within next couple of weeks.
After this vote, Tom Landry Shula Saban clone will be offered as next HC for $15MM per game for 2024 season. Crowd will be able to select each play thru phone voting and Valhalla will be suited up as resurgent Wrecking Crew. We should be good in 2024.
After this vote, Tom Landry Shula Saban clone will be offered as next HC for $15MM per game for 2024 season. Crowd will be able to select each play thru phone voting and Valhalla will be suited up as resurgent Wrecking Crew. We should be good in 2024.
He is perceived as a ****** bag. Wonder if he knows that.
If he wanted to be like Georgia and Alabama, he would make changes just like they did. Saban allowed a much different offense to be run compared to what he ran previously (mostly running plays).Ifishandlie said:greg.w.h said:
Gordon Gekko was a caricature designed to villainize short-sighted, parasitic investment speculation. If you're using Douglas's character in an analogy is it just to villainize Jimbo further or is there another thought you were trying to develop???
Because the cheap shots against Jimbo are cheap and unsubstantiated. But if you have an interesting thought…
Interesting. You use lots of big words yet did not comprehend the message. I'll try again.
Jimbo doesn't care about money. He cares about winning. Money is a byproduct of success (winning)
He wants to be the best coach. His measuring bar is Nick and Alabama.
Cheap shot at Jimbo? Not at all. Simply stating money is not what drives the man. It's competition ( gekko states that in the movie).
Jimbo will be measured by his success on the field. Not his bank account.
Edit.
This is an internet message board. Fans have every right to talk about the coach. Good or bad. Don't believe you're the appointed moderator regarding cheap shots.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
rootube said:
Here's a little secret most here fail to grasp. If we fire Jimbo tomorrow and start an absurd contract with the new coach, there is zero guarantee he won't be worse than Jimbo. In fact the chances the next guy fails are much greater than him winning a title.
We gave Jimbo a contract and now we need to suck it up and let him do what we hired him to do.
Yep, we threw cash at Sumlin with help from his agent. After his 1st year he was a perennial 8-4, but the BMA's honored his contract. I expect the same for Jimbo.
Dudley Perkins.Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
He wants to win.
The problem is he doesn't want to win at the expense of changing his system that he apparently is willing to go to his career death defending.
Pride isn't one of the seven deadly sins for no reason.
The problem is he doesn't want to win at the expense of changing his system that he apparently is willing to go to his career death defending.
Pride isn't one of the seven deadly sins for no reason.
nu awlins ag said:
He wants to win but I'm not sure at this point he knows HOW to win.
To me, there is zero doubt he wants to win. The problem is, he wants to be right even more.
Jimbo looks like a guy who bought pants without pockets and doesn't know what to do with his hands now. He is a playcaller at this point I think we may have better results if we just switch roles between he and Petrino. Let Petrino be the one who decides the approach and let Jimbo call the plays to Feed the Studs. It is obvious the playbooks are very similar if not the same but I don't feel like Petrino has the same conservative approach to sit on thin leads with time outs before half instead of going for points.BlueSmoke said:This. His deer in a headlights look on the sidelines is obvious.nu awlins ag said:
He wants to win but I'm not sure at this point he knows HOW to win.
Fighting Texas Aggie class of '04
Bluecat_Aggie94 said:What's the last coach we didn't fire?zooguy96 said:
Again, just guessing. But, our admin doesn't hold any FB coach accountable.
This says far less about accountability than it does our unique ability to hire bad coaches. Even worse, extending contracts to bad coaches. I'd rather be plagued by hiring coaches that do great things and get lured away.
Bluecat_Aggie94 said:
I agree with you completely, OP. All these coaches are driven by a highly competitive spirit and desire. Sure the money is great, and they want it, but they work their butts off and they do the work in a very public and highly critical, cutthroat environment. I don't think any of us are in a position to questions our coaches desire, work ethic, intelligence, knowedge, etc.
We are in a position to judge the results, and the pay that the coaches receive are in part to compensate for the very fact that they are always under fire, always criticized, etc. But it's a lot of money, it's been 6 years, and the results are not there. That can be fairly judged.
(and I've also always said, I think that Jimbo is disappointed with the results, too.)
$90 million is not "great" money. It's manna from Heaven, and the response to that kind of windfall should be far beyond what Jimbo's response has been.
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