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Bobby Petrino vs Troy Reffett

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Sethtevious
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The University of New Mexico has an interesting place when it comes to innovation in college football. The University of Houston is where Bill Yeoman invented the veer, Jack Pardee went wild with his run-n-shoot, Art Briles ran his triple-option spread offense, and Kliff Kingsbury called his first games in the Air Raid under Kevin Sumlin. Houston has always been a place where offensive innovation was welcomed. You can make a small argument that New Mexico is the closest thing to a defensive version of Houston. A young unknown coach named Gary Patterson invented his version of the 4-2-5 defense in Albuquerque in 1996. In 1998, Rocky Long arrived as head coach, and brought the 33 Stack defense he honed at Oregon State and UCLA with him. From 1998-2008, New Mexico ran the 33 Stack. Mike Locksley followed Long in a failed three year tenure, and then former A&M defensive coordinator Bob Davie was there 2012-2019. When Danny Gonzales was hired to replace Davie in 2020, he brought Long back to New Mexico from San Diego State. Gonzales played for Long his senior year at UNM, then worked for him as an assistant from '99-2017 at both New Mexico and San Diego State. Long put the 33 Stack in place, and A&M faced it in a 34-0 win at Kyle in 2021.

Over this past season, Nebraska's Matt Rhule hired Long protege Tony White to be his new defensive coordinator at Nebraska. Dino Babers decided he wanted to stay with the 33 Stack, so he hired Long away from New Mexico. Danny Gonzales intends to keep the Stack in place because it is part of the Lobos defensive identity now. Gonzales replaced Long with Troy Reffett, the Lobos cornerbacks coach for the past three seasons under Long. Reffett previously worked for Long as CB coach at UNM in 2004-'07, and defensive coordinator in 2008. When Long left UNM and Mike Locksley came in as head coach, Reffett moved over to Louisiana-Monroe to be their defensive coordinator, a position he would hold from 2009-2014.

It is at ULM where Reffett has his first match up with Bobby Petrino. Petrino took over Western Kentucky in 2013 on his rebound tour after his Arkansas scandal. He would coach the Hilltoppers for only one season before leaving for a second tenure at Louisville.

A&M opens the 2023 season with New Mexico, and we'll again see Petrino taking on Troy Reffett. I thought I'd take a look at some film from their 2013 game.

Here is a look at the base alignment for the 33 Stack.



You have 3 DL (two DEs and a NT) and 3 LBs (Sam, Mike, Will) who give the scheme its name. The hybrid linebacker/safeties are what made the difference for the scheme when it first started. Opposing offensive lines couldn't always see where the linebackers were going since they started the play stacked (hidden) behind the defensive line, which caused havoc when locating them for zone running plays. The hybrid linebacker/safeties on the outside (Nickelback, Jack backer) served as outside linebackers against the run and flat defenders against the pass. The back three contained two cornerbacks and a safety, giving the defense the ability to flow from Cover 3 to Cover 2 to Cover 1.

The Stack players are all spill defenders, meaning their assignment is simply to make the play in their gap, or spill it to the defender in the next gap. The NB and Jack are force players, their assignment is to either make the tackle or force the ballcarrier inside to the spill players where they can make the tackle.

Reffett was pretty multiple in his approach to his scheme.



As you can see, he has the DL slanted strong in an Over look and the Will LB on the line. This gives the alignment a 4-2 look of sorts, but since all DL and LBs are spill defenders, the base alignment doesn't change the responsibilities.

As you can see from the alignment of the SDE outside the TE and Sam outside him, they're trying to give the defense a 4-1 look inside the tackle box. They're trying to bait the offense to run the ball right at that bubble left uncovered between the LT and TE. It's bait, because Monroe has 7 defenders on the left side of the field, all waiting to play the run.

Petrino responds by calling Dig-Drag-Post (DDP), a staple of the Air Raid offense. In Air Raid parlance, it is simply the Shallow Cross series.



The Shallow Cross/DDP puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the second and third levels of a defense. The slot receiver runs a dig route, running 12-15 yards down field, digging his heel in, and cutting across. The X runs a shallow or drag route, running right through the defensive lines' initial foot prints before they begin their pass rush. The Z receiver runs a post route, pushing vertical and then running inside for the goal posts.

The linebackers and safeties are placed in multiple conflicts. If the nickelback covering the slot sinks with him, that leaves the CB one-on-one against the Z. If the free safety helps the cornerback on Z's post route, the QB throws to the slot and hits the dig route. If the safety drops down to help the nickelback cover the dig, the QB goes over the top and hits the post route. If the LBs drop into space to help flood the zone and cover the dig, the drag (shallow cross) is wide open. If the LBs drop into coverage, they also leave no pressure on the QB, leaving him with more time to choose the open man. If the LBs rush the QB, the drag is the hot read.

Basically, the shallow cross takes advantage of the attacking, aggressive nature of the 33 Stack and uses it against them. These players are coached to work as a 6-man front and play downhill, which means wide open windows behind them if the pass protection is there. Against ULM, Petrino used 11 personnel, and the in-line tight end meant he matched 6-on-6 in pass protection.



Here you'll see Reffett blitzed the SLB, making the choice to throw the drag/shallow cross an easy one. The pass rush by ULM meant there was a lot of open space between the line of scrimmage and the secondary. Even though the ball is slightly overthrown, it is still an easy 20 yard gain and a first down.
Rectitude
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Seth,

Great recap of the 3-3-5.
I have been a fan of Rocky Long since he ran this defense at San Diego State (I'm in San Diego). Rocky later left (voluntarily) for a stint back at NM. I think he is now at Syracuse.

But, yes that 3-3-5 defense can work, but it takes some dedication.

Your detailed explanation was really interesting.
You must be a coach?
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Wooooooooords
RVHorn
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Hey, look! Texas is ahead of Iowa State 7-0! We probably lost, but it's nice to see us giving them a fight.

Interesting post. I learned stuff. Thanks.
Sethtevious
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Rectitude said:

Seth,

Great recap of the 3-3-5.
I have been a fan of Rocky Long since he ran this defense at San Diego State (I'm in San Diego). Rocky later left (voluntarily) for a stint back at NM. I think he is now at Syracuse.

But, yes that 3-3-5 defense can work, but it takes some dedication.

Your detailed explanation was really interesting.
You must be a coach?
Yeah, I neglected to mention Dino Babers is the head coach at Syracuse. He hired Long to replace Tony White.

Zach Arnett, new head coach at Mississippi State (former defensive coordinator for the Bulldogs and target of Jimbo to replace Elko after he took the Duke job) has been running the 33 Stack at State since 2020. He played LB for Long from 2005-'08 at New Mexico. He coached under Long during his entire tenure at SDSU from 2011-'19, rising from GA to defensive coordinator before leaving for Starkville in 2020. New Bulldogs DC Matt Brock worked as LB coach under Arnett for the past three seasons.

The 33 Stack can be a bit of a boom or bust scheme because of its aggressive nature, so you need a head coach who is willing to accept the odds. Mike Leach was just such a coach, and obviously Arnett believes in it. It's perfect for have-not programs that take a contrarian approach to scheme so they can compete against have programs in their conference. MSU isn't going to win playing the same way Bama plays, so they need a different approach. The Stack is that approach on defense.

I used to coach, but now I do most of my coaching on the phone helping out former colleagues who need a fresh set of eyes when things aren't going right. I'm more of a 3-4 guy at heart but ran the 33 Stack for two seasons.
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RVHorn said:

Hey, look! Texas is ahead of Iowa State 7-0! We probably lost, but it's nice to see us giving them a fight.

Interesting post. I learned stuff. Thanks.
2013 was the 31-30 texas 'win' with the infamous fumble that wasn't called a fumble and Mike Davis taking a cheap shot at an Iowa State DB.
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Quick read by the QB given his back was to the play as he he carried out the fake.
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But Petrino is washed up they said.
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Get back or get Jerry’d
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What are you thinking posting actual football discussion on this board? Don't you know the only posts allowed here are posts about how terrible we are going to be and how bad our coaching is?

Good stuff OP.
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Awesome thread! Thanks op. This is like some of the stuff a poster on premium named coastag post. Great stuff man
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What are your thoughts on Petrino as OC here? Sorry if I missed it posted somewhere else
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montanagriz said:

What are your thoughts on Petrino as OC here? Sorry if I missed it posted somewhere else
I'm thrilled with his addition to our staff. I'm old enough to remember his first, second, and third tours at Louisville and have always admired and respected him as an offensive mind. He's a perfect mesh with Jimbo as far as offensive philosophy.

I think he'll fix some of the fundamental issues we've experienced (re: WRs) and simplify things for the players.

You'll see some fans ***** that "we're running Jimbo's offense!!" because he runs a lot of the same personnel groups as Jimbo, and there are only so many ways to distribute the ball, but those people were going to ***** anyway.
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We run 33 as our primary. Those six have to be hyper aggressive and it is definitely an all or nothing downhill type defense. We do our best to protect the backside with some different looks and we mix in alot of shifts. The way we run it, its an exciting defense but def has its flaws to expose.
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Sethtevious said:

You'll see some fans ***** that "we're running Jimbo's offense!!" because he runs a lot of the same personnel groups as Jimbo, and there are only so many ways to distribute the ball, but those people were going to ***** anyway.


Preach!
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OrygunAg said:

We run 33 as our primary. Those six have to be hyper aggressive and it is definitely an all or nothing downhill type defense. We do our best to protect the backside with some different looks and we mix in alot of shifts. The way we run it, its an exciting defense but def has its flaws to expose.
Our base front is 4-2-5 is it not?
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TX_Aggie37 said:

OrygunAg said:

We run 33 as our primary. Those six have to be hyper aggressive and it is definitely an all or nothing downhill type defense. We do our best to protect the backside with some different looks and we mix in alot of shifts. The way we run it, its an exciting defense but def has its flaws to expose.
Our base front is 4-2-5 is it not?
I think he's talking about a team he coaches, not A&M.

Jimbo always wants an even front/four man line because we're in the SEC. Durkin flows back and forth between the 4-2-5/3-2-6, we're pretty multiple.
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Sethtevious said:

TX_Aggie37 said:

OrygunAg said:

We run 33 as our primary. Those six have to be hyper aggressive and it is definitely an all or nothing downhill type defense. We do our best to protect the backside with some different looks and we mix in alot of shifts. The way we run it, its an exciting defense but def has its flaws to expose.
Our base front is 4-2-5 is it not?
I think he's talking about a team he coaches, not A&M.

Jimbo always wants an even front/four man line because we're in the SEC. Durkin flows back and forth between the 4-2-5/3-2-6, we're pretty multiple.

Yes sorry was talking about the hs team I coach.
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So what's your take on Durkin?
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After the first play, I would run a 2-TE set, and I would eat the defense for 4-6 yards per play all day. By the end of the 2nd or beginning of the 3rd, I would run an option 3-TE set of plays on a mixture of 1st & 3rd down. With a halfback option (run/screen) that would draw in all of the DBs, somebody is going to miss coverage and that will be a TD.
The OL will crush their NT to the point they will be running in a new player each down. Now you are going to say well I will rush 2 LB. Please do give me that gift so my TE can extend his run after catch to 12-17 yards. You pull that move from inside the 30 and Fisher will be like Lane Kiffen running down the sideline throwing his clipboard into the air, watching the TD.

Play me and I will beat you every single time.

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Ric Clark said:

After the first play, I would run a 2-TE set, and I would eat the defense for 4-6 yards per play all day. By the end of the 2nd or beginning of the 3rd, I would run an option 3-TE set of plays on a mixture of 1st & 3rd down. With a halfback option (run/screen) that would draw in all of the DBs, somebody is going to miss coverage and that will be a TD.
The OL will crush their NT to the point they will be running in a new player each down. Now you are going to say well I will rush 2 LB. Please do give me that gift so my TE can extend his run after catch to 12-17 yards. You pull that move from inside the 30 and Fisher will be like Lane Kiffen running down the sideline throwing his clipboard into the air, watching the TD.

Play me and I will beat you every single time.
Sure you would, superstar.

What team do you coach?
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Sethtevious
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TxAg76 said:

So what's your take on Durkin?
I would have been okay with Jimbo firing him after last season, even though I know how it would look to replace both coordinators. He's consistently weak against the run across multiple programs and I hate defenses that don't stop the run.

His short yardage scheme is an abomination. If it is 4th and 1 and you have 3 down linemen, I'm losing my *****
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Sethtevious said:

TxAg76 said:

So what's your take on Durkin?
I would have been okay with Jimbo firing him after last season, even though I know how it would look to replace both coordinators. He's consistently weak against the run across multiple programs and I hate defenses that don't stop the run.

His short yardage scheme is an abomination. If it is 4th and 1 and you have 3 down linemen, I'm losing my *****


Ok….and then who's the DC you'd wanna see here after?
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TxAg76 said:

Sethtevious said:

TxAg76 said:

So what's your take on Durkin?
I would have been okay with Jimbo firing him after last season, even though I know how it would look to replace both coordinators. He's consistently weak against the run across multiple programs and I hate defenses that don't stop the run.

His short yardage scheme is an abomination. If it is 4th and 1 and you have 3 down linemen, I'm losing my *****


Ok….and then who's the DC you'd wanna see here after?
If we had fired Durkin? See if you can nab Ryan Walters from Illinois before he takes the Purdue head job. If he's off the market because he's receiving head coach interest, reach out to Phil Parker at Iowa. He's been there 21 years but you see if he has any interest. If Walters and Parker are off the table, hire Lance Guidry from Marshall. We'll see his defense second game this season when we play Miami.
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TxAg76 said:

Sethtevious said:

TxAg76 said:

So what's your take on Durkin?
I would have been okay with Jimbo firing him after last season, even though I know how it would look to replace both coordinators. He's consistently weak against the run across multiple programs and I hate defenses that don't stop the run.

His short yardage scheme is an abomination. If it is 4th and 1 and you have 3 down linemen, I'm losing my *****


Ok….and then who's the DC you'd wanna see here after?
Totally derailing this thread, but the question made me think.... If we did fail again this year and Jimbo gets sent packing, I wonder how possible it would be to pivot completely and hire Elko as HC and then bring in a phenom OC to have total control of the offense?
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I was thinking this the other day. Who would coach after the Fisher whenever that would be? (Hopefully a long time later as that means we had success!) but thought I read somewhere Elko is an east coast guy and that duke is home for him. Not that it means he will stay there forever though.
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You can make a small argument that New Mexico is the closest thing to a defensive version of Houston.
No. Although your comparison is against Kingsberry, Sumlin, and Briles who have all failed or flamed out at every level so maybe you are on to something.

Sethtevious
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rootube said:

Quote:

You can make a small argument that New Mexico is the closest thing to a defensive version of Houston.
No. Although your comparison is against Kingsberry, Sumlin, and Briles who have all failed or flamed out at every level so maybe you are on to something.
I'm all ears if you know of a school that has had two defensive schemes created there, New Mexico is the closest I could come up with.
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