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Coaching Salaries - Worth the Investment?

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Sgt. Schultz
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I have been following A&M football for over 50 years so I guess that makes me an old. That said, it also gives me some perspective.

During that time, regardless of the coaching staff, Texas A&M has usually recruited Top 20 talent, and at times has recruited at a very elite level. Yet, we have been typical 8-4, 7-5 A&M that we are criticized for with a good year thrown in every 4-6 years. There have been some exceptions beginning in the late 1980s and early 1990s, but by and large we have been typical A&M.

We have gone with offensive scheme guys like Bellard and Sumlin, and have gone the more balanced approach with guys like Wilson, Sherrill, Sherman, and Fisher. We have gone with a defense first guy in RC and I don't quite know where you put a guy like Fran. Be that as it may, we have remained typical A&M. We have gone the cheap route on hiring, we have thrown money at the program. Yet, we still are typical A&M.

For whatever reason, we seem to fall well short of expectations on a regular basis. Regardless if we money- whipped coaches or made the safe hire type of coach. A&M's enrollment has exploded in my lifetime and we now have a palace that seats 100K +. Our athletes have every bell, whistle, amenity that one can imagine. We are continually upgrading facilities and yet we remain typical A&M.

We pay some of the highest ticket prices and donation levels and Kyle Field is filled to 85% capacity or better regardless. Should we accept that that is just who A&M is and will continue to be? I am certainly not saying that you don't stop trying to win but going the money whipping route with coaches has not really worked out. I am merely asking the question should we be ok with 8-4 or 9-3, with an occasional 10-2 and 11-1, or heaven forbid 12-0 season? As long as the 7-5 seasons are rare and there are no 6-6 or worse type seasons, the fans will still be at Kyle Field. Until the fans start voting with their feet and their wallet, would Texas A&M be better served paying for good solid coaches and a middle of the road salary to consistently perform at the level we pretty much have been for my entire adult life?

Not looking to trade insults with anyone but rather have a discussion.
I know nothing!
maroonthrunthru
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As a fellow "old", you're at the wrong place if you're not into trading insults…

It's all the young'uns know how to to… That and misspell the simplest words…

Your piece was thoughtful and well-written…

It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle…
maroonthrunthru
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To "do"… Sorry… Gotta brush up on my typing skills…
maroonthrunthru
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Jackie had us on the right path until the 'sips got butthurt…
HoustonAg2021
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I think what we have learned since joining the sec and certainly with Jimbo is that although yes the salaries are high, we should NOT extend coaches that have not achieved anything meaningful and certainly not for a long period of time if we do.
Aggie_Journalist
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Coaching Salaries - Worth the Investment?

No. Not here, not anywhere. AD's and boosters are the worst negotiators on the planet. Coaches are grossly overpaid and we'd all be better off if the money donors pump into athletics went to lowering student tuition instead.

Happy to help.
Thanks and gig'em
northeastag
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Good post, OP.

I'm guessing that I am nearly as old as you. I just don't see fans staying away. And even if they do, don't we have Fisher do another 8 years or so? Nothing is going to change.

So just enjoy the game day experience and try not to let losses get you down.
ClearlyJustSomeAg
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maroonthrunthru said:

As a fellow "old", you're at the wrong place if you're not into trading insults…

It's all the young'uns know how to to… That and misspell the simplest words…

Your piece was thoughtful and well-written…

It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle…
Is this a top level troll or did you unironically initiate insults and then "misspell the simplest of words?"
maroonthrunthru
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Touche, "Clearly"…

Point still stands…
maroonthrunthru
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And, you proved my point, as well..
TAMU74
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I'm an "Old" as well Sarge.
Your post is right on the money and I've had the same thoughts for many years.
I've come to the conclusion that the answer must be…We are the Aggies!
It does give me an appreciation for what Boston Red Sox fans went through for many decades.
At this point, I don't know if our day will ever come in my lifetime.
Iowaggie
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YES, and again I say YES, the salaries are worth it. If anything, we should be giving more raises or targeting the higher paid coaches, try to hire them anyway, causing another chain in coaching salary increases.

Signed,
Jimmy Sexton
cevans_40
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We have NEVER recruited talent at the level that Jimbo is doing.

NEVER
BlueSmoke
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Winning coaches? No - if anything they are underpaid. Saban has brought in billions to Alabama over the years, not just to the university but the town of Tuscaloosa.
TXAG 05
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Unless you are one of the big cigars who wrote the checks for Jimbo, you aren't paying the coach's salary so it really doesn't matter.

College football is fun. Just try to enjoy it.
Quail
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Aggie_Journalist said:

Coaching Salaries - Worth the Investment?

No. Not here, not anywhere. AD's and boosters are the worst negotiators on the planet. Coaches are grossly overpaid and we'd all be better off if the money donors pump into athletics went to lowering student tuition instead.

Happy to help.
AMEN!!!!
rootube
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If your coach is Nick Saban or Kirby Smart then yes they are worth the money. Everyone else? No.
QB1
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Only worth it if you win a natty, otherwise they are drastically over paid - like a glorified realtor.
24601
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Hire a smart, analytical minded person for ~$500k per year. You could find PLENTY of incredibly talented, knowledgeable people to take the job for that kind of money, it just wouldn't be the cream of the crop known coaches.

Take the 7MM saved, pump it straight into The Collective, and make it public that every player on the 85 man roster at A&M will make nearly 100k per year base, not to mention any side endorsements they can work.

Instant top 5 class every year, and talent wins games.
Showstopper
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We aren't that much higher than everyone else. Jimbo and Kelly I believe are tied for third at $9.5 but everyone besides Miss St and Vandy I believe are $6 mil plus in the SEC. Other than divert money to NIL, what would we really spend on as an alternative using the savings that would make any difference?
AustinAg2K
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Instead of paying the everything to a coach regardless of performance, we should pay a responsible salary and put the rest into a "National Championship Fund" that paid out when ever a coach wins the NC. The fund should roll over like a lottery. Say you put in $10 million this year, and we don't win, then next year it's worth $20 mil, etc. At first, we might not attract the best coaches, but the longer we go without winning, the more tempting that pot gets. Once it gets over a hundred million, I bet we have the best coaches tripping over themselves to coach here.
cevans_40
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AustinAg2K said:

Instead of paying the everything to a coach regardless of performance, we should pay a responsible salary and put the rest into a "National Championship Fund" that paid out when ever a coach wins the NC. The fund should roll over like a lottery. Say you put in $10 million this year, and we don't win, then next year it's worth $20 mil, etc. At first, we might not attract the best coaches, but the longer we go without winning, the more tempting that pot gets. Once it gets over a hundred million, I bet we have the best coaches tripping over themselves to coach here.
Right.. because 90 million guaranteed is not enough
Bill Superman
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I know I'll be in the minority on this one, but I am completely on board with paying the big bucks for elite level coaches. What I am not ok with is the ridiculous guaranteed contracts with no incentives, and extending every coach early in their contracts after a halfway decent season.

The contracts can be high paying, but they don't need to be for decades+ with literally no incentive to do anything of significance.

But I can get behind money whipping our way to a championship, if that is even possible.
cevans_40
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24601 said:

Hire a smart, analytical minded person for ~$500k per year. You could find PLENTY of incredibly talented, knowledgeable people to take the job for that kind of money, it just wouldn't be the cream of the crop known coaches.

Take the 7MM saved, pump it straight into The Collective, and make it public that every player on the 85 man roster at A&M will make nearly 100k per year base, not to mention any side endorsements they can work.

Instant top 5 class every year, and talent wins games.
First, you aren't buying a top 5 class every year with 7 MM

Secondly, who is going to run the defense and offense? You are going to have to pay these guys well and if you don't they either won't come or will leave every year.

Third, if you aren't winning, you will be hard pressed to continue to attract and retain top football talent. Stacking classes is going to be impossible as there simply isn't enough playing time to spread around.

Lastly, this whole smart, analytical minded person talk is so tired. If you don't believe that our coaching staff is smart, you are sorely mistaken. These guys know football.
cevans_40
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Bill Superman said:

I know I'll be in the minority on this one, but I am completely on board with paying the big bucks for elite level coaches. What I am not ok with is the ridiculous guaranteed contracts with no incentives, and extending every coach early in their contracts after a halfway decent season.

The contracts can be high paying, but they don't need to be for decades+ with literally no incentive to do anything of significance.

But I can get behind money whipping our way to a championship, if that is even possible.
That is done with a long guaranteed contract
HoustonAg2021
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TXAG 05 said:

Unless you are one of the big cigars who wrote the checks for Jimbo, you aren't paying the coach's salary so it really doesn't matter.

College football is fun. Just try to enjoy it.

Not for us.
DW91AG95
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cevans_40 said:

Bill Superman said:

I know I'll be in the minority on this one, but I am completely on board with paying the big bucks for elite level coaches. What I am not ok with is the ridiculous guaranteed contracts with no incentives, and extending every coach early in their contracts after a halfway decent season.

The contracts can be high paying, but they don't need to be for decades+ with literally no incentive to do anything of significance.

But I can get behind money whipping our way to a championship, if that is even possible.
That is done with a long guaranteed contract


So you are saying we are due...year 6 around the corner right?
levypantsEOY
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cevans_40 said:

We have NEVER recruited talent at the level that Jimbo is doing.

NEVER


We have NEVER had attrition at the level Jimbo is experiencing.

NEVER
cevans_40
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levypantsEOY said:

cevans_40 said:

We have NEVER recruited talent at the level that Jimbo is doing.

NEVER


We have NEVER had attrition at the level Jimbo is experiencing.

NEVER
There has never been a transfer portal either.

cevans_40
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DW91AG95 said:

cevans_40 said:

Bill Superman said:

I know I'll be in the minority on this one, but I am completely on board with paying the big bucks for elite level coaches. What I am not ok with is the ridiculous guaranteed contracts with no incentives, and extending every coach early in their contracts after a halfway decent season.

The contracts can be high paying, but they don't need to be for decades+ with literally no incentive to do anything of significance.

But I can get behind money whipping our way to a championship, if that is even possible.
That is done with a long guaranteed contract


So you are saying we are due...year 6 around the corner right?
I don't know. I think we have a bunch of pieces in place to do well but we still have a ton of youth. I am just saying that the only way to buy a proven coach is to offer a long guaranteed contract.
P.U.T.U
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Unless you get a current home run coach, not one on the downfall at their old program like Jimbo, I am not sure paying top dollar is worth it for most coaches. Yeah you have guys like Saban and Kelly that have success everywhere and did before they got hired at their programs (Saban in college, not NFL), but they are the exception these days. I would have to look at the numbers but if I were an AD I would be looking at the up and coming coordinators like Elko to hire rather than a coach that killed it 5+ years ago. I would think their winning percentage at a major program is close to what a young HC or experienced coordinator is and at a fraction of the salary.
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maroonthrunthru said:

To "do"… Sorry… Gotta brush up on my typing skills…

Sir, you could just use the edit button and update your post. No need for another one.
livinmw
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Hey Sarge, same here about 50 yrs and I will say when it seems when things are going good, we are building some type of momentum, there is always something that brings us down. I believe hard work and perseverance wins out in the long run and I am not ready to throw in the towel. Yes, I realize I may just be teasing myself some more but I truly believe with the talent we are getting, the play on the field, much improved over when Summy was here (only other coach to compare with against the top tier NFL level talent of competition) and the dedication of THE POWERS THAT BE, extending another 10 yrs, I believe we will get there. Again, I could be fooling myself but not ready to give up on the dream yet. So, my answer is yes, it's worth it.
GIG EM AGGIES!!!
greg.w.h
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Op thinks he can control the outcome by talking about the costs. He can't.
Rec
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The people responsible for Jimbos original contract are the dumbest effin people that have ever lived.

There's literally nobody else in the country that would go 100 million in, or even 50 on a scumbag idiot that just went 5-6 in the weak ass ACC
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