Any chance they make a play for tu/OU? Or, OU/OSU?

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Why would they? tu/ou is not that big of a deal to them!

Well considering their last response was adding Maryland and Rutgers, they better up their game.

The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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Well considering their last response was adding Maryland and Rutgers, they better up their game.

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Georgia Tech and Syracuse?

Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power. Also Kansas was not part of the original package and it's not like they are more attractive today.

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power.

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That could be said too about the Pac 10's position at the time versus the current climate after years of missteps and COVID-19 smashing their athletics.

For the record, I don't think it will happen, but it would be an interesting exercise if the Pac 12 wants to play the Game of Thrones.

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power.

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That could be said too about the Pac 10's position at the time versus the current climate after years of missteps and COVID-19 smashing their athletics.

For the record, I don't think it will happen, but it would be an interesting exercise if the Pac 12 wants to play the Game of Thrones.

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Here is what seems most likely. Texas and OU to SEC. That means there is only one team left of any value. ND, and it seems like ACC would be the obvious landing spot with B10 as a dark horse contender. After that it's all over but the crying for Kansas, Tech, OSU, etc.

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rootube said:

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power.

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That could be said too about the Pac 10's position at the time versus the current climate after years of missteps and COVID-19 smashing their athletics.

For the record, I don't think it will happen, but it would be an interesting exercise if the Pac 12 wants to play the Game of Thrones.

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Here is what seems most likely. Texas and OU to SEC. That means there is only one team left of any value. ND, and it seems like ACC would be the obvious landing spot with B10 as a dark horse contender. After that it's all over but the crying for Kansas, Tech, OSU, etc.

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You're probably right. Shame, actually, as I like the idea of the smaller schools having a chance at winning it all. Of course that hasn't been true in football for decades now.

Depends. I don't know if every other conference is going to dilute their pie with more pieces. There's a point of diminishing returns.

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rootube said:

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power.

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That could be said too about the Pac 10's position at the time versus the current climate after years of missteps and COVID-19 smashing their athletics.

For the record, I don't think it will happen, but it would be an interesting exercise if the Pac 12 wants to play the Game of Thrones.

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Here is what seems most likely. Texas and OU to SEC. That means there is only one team left of any value. ND, and it seems like ACC would be the obvious landing spot with B10 as a dark horse contender. After that it's all over but the crying for Kansas, Tech, OSU, etc.

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Kansas has options due to the fact that it's a) a state school in an area that is geographically viable for 1-2 conferences and b) has a brand name in basketball. I doubt the rest have attractive options unless the Pac 12 is really, really desperate. The only other schools out there that could attract a significant following out west (Boise, BYU, CSU, Texas Tech, Okie State are either very unattractive for political reasons, academic reasons, cultural fit or travel distance.

It's going to be a rough time for Baylor, TCU, and others who had dreams of moving up.,

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power. Also Kansas was not part of the original package and it's not like they are more attractive today.

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Why wouldn't Kansas be attractive? Great BB school, and it has the AAU academic funding that is at least equal to, if not dwarfing, any media deal they would be privy to.

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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rootube said:

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Gaius Julius Bevo said:

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power.

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That could be said too about the Pac 10's position at the time versus the current climate after years of missteps and COVID-19 smashing their athletics.

For the record, I don't think it will happen, but it would be an interesting exercise if the Pac 12 wants to play the Game of Thrones.

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Here is what seems most likely. Texas and OU to SEC. That means there is only one team left of any value. ND, and it seems like ACC would be the obvious landing spot with B10 as a dark horse contender. After that it's all over but the crying for Kansas, Tech, OSU, etc.

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You're probably right. Shame, actually, as I like the idea of the smaller schools having a chance at winning it all. Of course that hasn't been true in football for decades now.

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I could not agree more. Heck I was sad when Rice, SMU, TCU, UH got kicked to the curb. It never would have occurred to me that Tech could be left on the outside looking in.

PS not Baylor they can go to hell

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power. Also Kansas was not part of the original package and it's not like they are more attractive today.

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Why wouldn't Kansas be attractive? Great BB school, and it has the AAU academic funding that is at least equal to, if not dwarfing, any media deal they would be privy to.

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If you look it up they were not part of the package that the PAC wanted and I'm sure they did their due diligence. It shocked me at the time and was a reminder of where basketball stands in the overall scheme of things.

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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That deal was already on the table when the B12 had much more bargaining power. Also Kansas was not part of the original package and it's not like they are more attractive today.

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Why wouldn't Kansas be attractive? Great BB school, and it has the AAU academic funding that is at least equal to, if not dwarfing, any media deal they would be privy to.

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They are located in a state that is actually losing population and perhaps ultimately enrollment and then eyeball interest. Really the only conference that makes sense for them is the Big Ten. As great of a BB program as they have, I can't imagine the Pac 12 or ACC wanting to add them just purely on logistics. WVU has shown what a hassles come when you add a single member on an island to a conference half the country away.

Kansas has some recruiting baggage that they are going to have to unhitch before a conference will welcome them in. Both Football & Basketball.

The Big 10 would never look twice at tu. The baggage the shorthorns bring is known to them. Nebraska would never allow them to join. Also, tu and OU don't have the academics for the Big 10.

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Also, tu and OU don't have the academics for the Big 10.

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tu does. Ou doesn't.

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The Big 10 would never look twice at tu. The baggage the shorthorns bring is known to them. Nebraska would never allow them to join. Also, tu and OU don't have the academics for the Big 10.

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As much as I loathe tu, the assertion that tu doesn't have the academics for the Big 10 is ludicrous.

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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If the money was right, they'd absolutely go and the pac12 would take them. However, the pac12 is a mess and I doubt they could get a good offer together before an sec deal is done.

Would the Big 10 make a play for us? Not saying it would be a good idea, just would spice things up even further...

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The Big 10 would never look twice at tu. The baggage the shorthorns bring is known to them. Nebraska would never allow them to join. Also, tu and OU don't have the academics for the Big 10.

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If anything, we learned this week that OU and tu have value for any P5(4) conference. So yes every other conference would figure out a way to add them academics be dammed.

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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If the money was right, they'd absolutely go and the pac12 would take them. However, the pac12 is a mess and I doubt they could get a good offer together before an sec deal is done.

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The PAC 12 has no money. All they could sell is a vision and a possible appeal to fit (for Texas, not OU or the others). I doubt the UT admin is interested in the West Coast. The leadership at Texas is different now and I daresay they understand that sports is the front door of the university unlike say Bill Powers, RIP. That and the handling of COVID-19 decidedly showed the PAC 12's values probably do not align well with trying to win at sports.

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The Big 10 would never look twice at tu. The baggage the shorthorns bring is known to them. Nebraska would never allow them to join. Also, tu and OU don't have the academics for the Big 10.

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Going on their management of Covid the Big 10 is probably the worst run conference in the country. Kevin Warren is useless. They miss Delaney.

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Well considering their last response was adding Maryland and Rutgers, they better up their game.

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This is a very underrated post.

After tu, OU, and ND, everything else likely dilutes value rather than adding to it.

Yeah after those three what point is there to add any? Maybe ACC picks WV and ND, Pac picks up Tech, KU, maybe 2 more (not that those are great, but the Pac needs to try something). The rest? Good luck piecing something together in the Group of 5 bargain bin, I guess.

They have to otherwise they are done

No more Texas recruits!!!

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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If the money was right, they'd absolutely go and the pac12 would take them. However, the pac12 is a mess and I doubt they could get a good offer together before an sec deal is done.

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The PAC 12 has no money. All they could sell is a vision and a possible appeal to fit (for Texas, not OU or the others). I doubt the UT admin is interested in the West Coast. The leadership at Texas is different now and I daresay they understand that sports is the front door of the university unlike say Bill Powers, RIP. That and the handling of COVID-19 decidedly showed the PAC 12's values probably do not align well with trying to win at sports.

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It wouldn't be the pac12 offering the money per se, it would be fox saying if you join pac12 we can guarantee this much. Fox may not be interested but even if they are, I'm not sure they could put it together in time.

The conferences only have as much money as the media giants are willing to give them but those giants could write a blank check if they so wanted to. We know espn wants to. Does fox?

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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If the money was right, they'd absolutely go and the pac12 would take them. However, the pac12 is a mess and I doubt they could get a good offer together before an sec deal is done.

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The PAC 12 has no money. All they could sell is a vision and a possible appeal to fit (for Texas, not OU or the others). I doubt the UT admin is interested in the West Coast. The leadership at Texas is different now and I daresay they understand that sports is the front door of the university unlike say Bill Powers, RIP. That and the handling of COVID-19 decidedly showed the PAC 12's values probably do not align well with trying to win at sports.

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It wouldn't be the pac12 offering the money per se, it would be fox saying if you join pac12 we can guarantee this much. Fox may not be interested but even if they are, I'm not sure they could put it together in time.

The conferences only have as much money as the media giants are willing to give them but those giants could write a blank check if they so wanted to.

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So part of what started this apparently was FOX declining to start negotiating on the next media contract with the Big 12. The former is conjecture, but the part about FOX not wanting to talk money is true. One or two Big 12 athletic directors have stated so publicly. I don't think FOX would be willing to commit to a bigger deal just to shuffle Texas/OU from the Big 12 to the Pac 12.

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Also, tu and OU don't have the academics for the Big 10.

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You always talk out of your ass or just this once? Texas is a top 40 university in the world according to us news and world reports.

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Dominion Caracas Branch said:

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The PAC 12 could make an offer to take in Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. That would be unorthodox thinking and would be entertaining to watch it unfold.

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If the money was right, they'd absolutely go and the pac12 would take them. However, the pac12 is a mess and I doubt they could get a good offer together before an sec deal is done.

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The PAC 12 has no money. All they could sell is a vision and a possible appeal to fit (for Texas, not OU or the others). I doubt the UT admin is interested in the West Coast. The leadership at Texas is different now and I daresay they understand that sports is the front door of the university unlike say Bill Powers, RIP. That and the handling of COVID-19 decidedly showed the PAC 12's values probably do not align well with trying to win at sports.

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It wouldn't be the pac12 offering the money per se, it would be fox saying if you join pac12 we can guarantee this much. Fox may not be interested but even if they are, I'm not sure they could put it together in time.

The conferences only have as much money as the media giants are willing to give them but those giants could write a blank check if they so wanted to.

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So part of what started this apparently was FOX declining to start negotiating on the next media contract with the Big 12. The former is conjecture, but the part about FOX not wanting to talk money is true. One or two Big 12 athletic directors have stated so publicly. I don't think FOX would be willing to commit to a bigger deal just to shuffle Texas/OU from the Big 12 to the Pac 12.

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Well we will find out won't we because if they lose tu/ou they might as well get out of college football.

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The Big 10 would never look twice at tu. The baggage the shorthorns bring is known to them. Nebraska would never allow them to join. Also, tu and OU don't have the academics for the Big 10.

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So we can't keep them out of the SEC, but Nebraska has the power to keep them out of the Big10? I don't know what you're smoking, but go easy...

I've said this before (mostly ignored) that people I BELIEVE were in the know in the Big 10 office said t.u., A&M, and Mizzou had a deal in place to go to the Big 10 the year before we went to the SEC (2010??) but t.u. either killed the deal or backed out. Or, the Big 10 balked because t.u. wanted to keep the network or they wanted control. Heck, maybe Nebraska finally got through on the bat phone and told the Big 10 brass that t.u. was poison and to stop any negotiations. I'm not real sure the exact sticking point, but from what I heard, Mizzou was basically begging t.u. to go along with it as well as pleading with the Big 10 to take them no matter what. A&M was willing to do it, but didn't lose a great deal of sleep when it didn't happen. At the time it sort of sucked because we didn't go to the SEC, we didn't go to the Big 10 -- we just stayed in the Big 12. We picked the worst of the 3 options.

IF THIS IS TRUE (and I've heard some dispute it; mostly people that have no idea one way or the other, but I have to concede I have no first hand knowledge either), the B10 dealmakers from back then need to be gone, they need to have short memories, or they need to actually see that this NOW makes them enough money to swallow any hurt feelings (or sooth any lingering issues) from the last time or they won't do it. Of course, everyone could have forgiven and forgotten.

(No chance of that).